Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXV: July 1st Is Coming...

[mouser]

Burmistrov had an AAV of over $1.5 and AZ probably didn't feel he was worth the QO. That's not uncommon. Doesn't mean he's not a capable player.

As for the other two, Arizona now has Stepan followed by Domi, Strome, Dvorak and Keller as young guys who can push for time at center this year. Add in that they have Dave Bolland and his NTC and there's not a lot of room for Burmistrov, Jooris and Holland to play, particularly on a team like Arizona that is committed to youth. Doesn't mean they're bad players.

I would have been okay with AZ qualifying Burmistrov, think it may have been more of a roster numbers situation. He showed a good bit of offense in addition to his defense in AZ when put in a 3rd line role. Looked a lot better then his recent time in Winnipeg before AZ acquired him. If his $1.5m QO was too high, I don't think it was by much. Could see a team giving him a shot at $1-1.2m or so.

 

[RangerBoy]

The blueprint McKenzie outlined is doomed in failure. The Rangers don't want to get into the free agency game with the crazy contracts. Fill the gaps in free agency with who? Another Michael Grabner. They dumped Stepan's contract because they were concerned about his play going forward and the NTC would limit their opportunities to move him. $6.5M cap. They aren't getting back into the same hole with a free agent who is older and will be signed for the next 6-7 years. Full NMC.

The Rangers are being "competitive" in that division and conference with this team? Lundqvist will be 36 in March. He was so inconsistent last season. They had Raanta to fill in for him when he struggled. Lundqvist was the biggest culprit in the Ottawa series. Can you stop the puck please? They only paid you $9.5M last season.

The Rangers will need to acquire more kids to make the "rebuild on the fly" work. One first round per year won't be enough for a "rebuild on the fly". They will need more than Andersson and Chytil. Their last first round pick was in 2012. Acquire another #1 pick for 2018.

Gorton needs to keep trading the core players. Girardi was bought out. Stepan was traded. Don't stop. Are the Rangers re-signing a 30 year old McDonagh and a 32 year old Zuccarello in 2019? If the Rangers trade them for younger players(roster players/top prospects)and #1 picks, they have a much better chance of "rebuilding on the fly" and being "competitive". Get rid of Nash. Retain 50% of the money. Move Staal. Bad contract for bad contract. We are going in a new direction Marc. Dan is gone. Derek is gone. It's time for you to move on too. Jordan got traded to Carolina. Eric is on his third team. Change is good. Kreider. Miller. Hayes. The Rangers need to land that young righty D. Klein retires.

Spend the next two years adding young players and draft picks. Shestyorkin comes over in two years. Keep Zibanejad,Buchnevich,Vesey and Skjei. Andersson and Chytil. Hopefully some of the other young players can develop into NHL players. That's the only way to win a championship.

 

[Savant]

Galchenyuk would actually make a good target (even in a rebuild) isnt' he 23?

But he isn't a center. The Rangers need a center.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I said it earlier, but, Gorton wasn't racing against the July 1 deadline. He must really have set his sights on Pettersson. He needed the 7th to get in the conversation to be able to move up. He doesn't have that opportunity if the deal wasn't done by Friday.

 

[silverfish]

Even post hypothetical decline?

I don't know maybe I wasn't clear about that. But I was saying who would want him at 6.5 mill in a world where the rangers kept him, but his game falls off pretty visibly next year.

In this world where Derek Stepan falls off a cliff, then no duh, no, I don't want him at $6.5m AAV.

Could I not just as easily posture that there's a world where Derek Stepan doesn't have a career low shooting percentage, and continues putting up 55 points a year on command? Yeah, I think so.

I think my world is more realistic than yours.

 

[Irishguy42]

1) Trade Nash and Lundqvist
2) Offer sheet Draisaitl
3) Trade for Ekblad
4) Sign like six free agents

Hockey is easy

No to Ekblad. Do not want an overrated player who has a long history of concussions on my team.

 

[Maximus]

I can totally get on board for a trade for Gally. I think Montreal doesn't know how to use him.

I had a hunch you might like this idea of bringing in Galyunchuck in return for Zucc.

We'd still need another center and replace Zucc but that is workable and it fits the narrative of "retooling on the fly". Man, this would be a pretty exciting one if this was actually done. I'd also be so bittersweet as Zucc is beloved.

 

[GregSirico]

That is one aspect of playing defense.

Skjei is a ****ing boss though and LOL at Staal (though I'm surprised that number is that high.)

That Staal # is frightening

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The blueprint McKenzie outlined is doomed in failure. The Rangers don't want to get into the free agency game with the crazy contracts. Fill the gaps in free agency with who? Another Michael Grabner. They dumped Stepan's contract because they were concerned about his play going forward and the NTC would limit their opportunities to move him. $6.5M cap. They aren't getting back into the same hole with a free agent who is older and will be signed for the next 6-7 years. Full NMC.

The Rangers are being "competitive" in that division and conference with this team? Lundqvist will be 36 in March. He was so inconsistent last season. They had Raanta to fill in for him when he struggled. Lundqvist was the biggest culprit in the Ottawa series. Can you stop the puck please? They only paid you $9.5M last season.

The Rangers will need to acquire more kids to make the "rebuild on the fly" work. One first round per year won't be enough for a "rebuild on the fly". They will need more than Andersson and Chytil. Their last first round pick was in 2012. Acquire another #1 pick for 2018.

Gorton needs to keep trading the core players. Girardi was bought out. Stepan was traded. Don't stop. Are the Rangers re-signing a 30 year old McDonagh and a 32 year old Zuccarello in 2019? If the Rangers trade them for younger players(roster players/top prospects)and #1 picks, they have a much better chance of "rebuilding on the fly" and being "competitive". Get rid of Nash. Retain 50% of the money. Move Staal. Bad contract for bad contract. We are going in a new direction Marc. Dan is gone. Derek is gone. It's time for you to move on too. Jordan got traded to Carolina. Eric is on his third team. Change is good. Kreider. Miller. Hayes. The Rangers need to land that young righty D. Klein retires.

Spend the next two years adding young players and draft picks. Shestyorkin comes over in two years. Keep Zibanejad,Buchnevich,Vesey and Skjei. Andersson and Chytil. Hopefully some of the other young players can develop into NHL players. That's the only way to win a championship.

"rebuilding on the fly" is the same as rebuilding, if you're going to rebuild, you trade everyone over 25 period.

 

[NikC]

The blueprint McKenzie outlined is doomed in failure. The Rangers don't want to get into the free agency game with the crazy contracts. Fill the gaps in free agency with who? Another Michael Grabner. They dumped Stepan's contract because they were concerned about his play going forward and the NTC would limit their opportunities to move him. $6.5M cap. They aren't getting back into the same hole with a free agent who is older and will be signed for the next 6-7 years. Full NMC.

The Rangers are being "competitive" in that division and conference with this team? Lundqvist will be 36 in March. He was so inconsistent last season. They had Raanta to fill in for him when he struggled. Lundqvist was the biggest culprit in the Ottawa series. Can you stop the puck please? They only paid you $9.5M last season.

The Rangers will need to acquire more kids to make the "rebuild on the fly" work. One first round per year won't be enough for a "rebuild on the fly". They will need more than Andersson and Chytil. Their last first round pick was in 2012. Acquire another #1 pick for 2018.

Gorton needs to keep trading the core players. Girardi was bought out. Stepan was traded. Don't stop. Are the Rangers re-signing a 30 year old McDonagh and a 32 year old Zuccarello in 2019? If the Rangers trade them for younger players(roster players/top prospects)and #1 picks, they have a much better chance of "rebuilding on the fly" and being "competitive". Get rid of Nash. Retain 50% of the money. Move Staal. Bad contract for bad contract. We are going in a new direction Marc. Dan is gone. Derek is gone. It's time for you to move on too. Jordan got traded to Carolina. Eric is on his third team. Change is good. Kreider. Miller. Hayes. The Rangers need to land that young righty D. Klein retires.

Spend the next two years adding young players and draft picks. Shestyorkin comes over in two years. Keep Zibanejad,Buchnevich,Vesey and Skjei. Andersson and Chytil. Hopefully some of the other young players can develop into NHL players. That's the only way to win a championship.

All your posts are worth reading, but this is brilliant. I couldn't agree more. There is no other way for this team to go. Any half @$$ approach just a waste of time

 

[GregSirico]

The blueprint McKenzie outlined is doomed in failure. The Rangers don't want to get into the free agency game with the crazy contracts. Fill the gaps in free agency with who? Another Michael Grabner. They dumped Stepan's contract because they were concerned about his play going forward and the NTC would limit their opportunities to move him. $6.5M cap. They aren't getting back into the same hole with a free agent who is older and will be signed for the next 6-7 years. Full NMC.

The Rangers are being "competitive" in that division and conference with this team? Lundqvist will be 36 in March. He was so inconsistent last season. They had Raanta to fill in for him when he struggled. Lundqvist was the biggest culprit in the Ottawa series. Can you stop the puck please? They only paid you $9.5M last season.

The Rangers will need to acquire more kids to make the "rebuild on the fly" work. One first round per year won't be enough for a "rebuild on the fly". They will need more than Andersson and Chytil. Their last first round pick was in 2012. Acquire another #1 pick for 2018.

Gorton needs to keep trading the core players. Girardi was bought out. Stepan was traded. Don't stop. Are the Rangers re-signing a 30 year old McDonagh and a 32 year old Zuccarello in 2019? If the Rangers trade them for younger players(roster players/top prospects)and #1 picks, they have a much better chance of "rebuilding on the fly" and being "competitive". Get rid of Nash. Retain 50% of the money. Move Staal. Bad contract for bad contract. We are going in a new direction Marc. Dan is gone. Derek is gone. It's time for you to move on too. Jordan got traded to Carolina. Eric is on his third team. Change is good. Kreider. Miller. Hayes. The Rangers need to land that young righty D. Klein retires.

Spend the next two years adding young players and draft picks. Shestyorkin comes over in two years. Keep Zibanejad,Buchnevich,Vesey and Skjei. Andersson and Chytil. Hopefully some of the other young players can develop into NHL players. That's the only way to win a championship.

Too much logic in this post. We are the Rangers..

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

In this world where Derek Stepan falls off a cliff, then no duh, no, I don't want him at $6.5m AAV.

Could I not just as easily posture that there's a world where Derek Stepan doesn't have a career low shooting percentage, and continues putting up 55 points a year on command? Yeah, I think so.

I think my world is more realistic than yours.

Its not my world because I actually agree with you.

But the front office doesn't and our jobs aren't going to be effected by making a decision on Stepan.

They've got a more than reasonable chance at being right too. Ton of tread on those tires.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

This isn't a rebuild. Gorton is trying to get cap flexibility going forward maybe not for the UFA class this year, but maybe for a possible trade and/or for the upcoming RFAs next season (Miller, Skjei, Hayes, Vesey).

This is a re-tool. I believe Gorton expects the team to be just as competitive in the playoffs in the upcoming season as they were last year.


If this was a rebuild there is zero chance AV would still be here.


Gorton wanted cap flexibility, he wanted to shake up the core which moving your 1C and buying out your 1RD (lol but that's what Girardi was) both accomplish that.


He wanted to somewhat restock the cupboard a little bit with Andersson and Chytil, but he's not going to do a full blown rebuild, not even close. Rebuilding on the fly means try and get a few younger pieces for the future while also still remaining a contender.

Gorton definitely sees this team as a contender next year. If this was a full blown rebuild Nash would be sold away, Zucc would be on the block, McDonagh would be on the block and Lundqvist would be being pitched destinations to cup chase.

But no, they moves Stepan to get a couple young assets, bought out Girardi, kept AV, don't seem to be looking to move any other core pieces. I guess SF is right, we just all underestimated how badly they wanted to move Stepan before his NTC kicked in.

 

[GregSirico]

All your posts are worth reading, but this is brilliant. I couldn't agree more. There is no other way for this team to go. Any half @$$ approach just a waste of time

I actually believe JG would fully blow this up if it wasn't New York.

 

[bleedblue94]

I don't understand how a determination can be made on the direction of this team without even knowing what the team is going to do this summer. I know people get worked up, but why aren't we waiting until camp to see what they actually do rather than playing the doom and gloom about what they MIGHT do...

 

[GregSirico]

I don't understand how a determination can be made on the direction of this team without even knowing what the team is going to do this summer. I know people get worked up, but why aren't we waiting until camp to see what they actually do rather than playing the doom and gloom about what they MIGHT do...

Because bobby mac's article indicates we are not in on Shatty and if that's the case it raises the question of is this a true rebuild or not?

 

[TheBPA]

Or rather than just "using" cap space on FA, they are planning to trade for players from teams that need to find some cap relief and are willing to retain salary on some players to move them?

If it's September 17 and we have 15mil of cap space than we can judge...

This is absolutely the plan.

Stepan was traded less than a week ago. The draft was 2 days ago, yet this board is all like...where are the moves!?!?!?!?!

These are the dog days of HFNYR...

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'm surprised at the amount of love for Gagner. He was a disappointment, was thrown to the side and finally had a nice season on a 1 year prove it deal. Now people want to throw him really good money on a 4 year deal.

The key is to get guys before they rebound, you pay too much of a premium after. You may have to take a chance on multiple guys, but you look great when you land a grabner or Gagner.

Alex Chiasson was left unqualified. Could be a real interesting wing pick up looking at maybe his last real shot.

I've said it a few times but I really would like to take a shot at Peter Holland, another left unqualified. Could be a good 4th line center. Agitator, tough kid, an edge to his game. Big draw back for us is he barely plays the pk so I can understand an aversion there.

 

[effen]

You guys are insane. The ~entire team is under 28 or something minus what 2 guys?
Last 4 years point totals:
96
113
102
101 (in what was supposed to be a possible non-playoff year)

This isn't a video game, this is real life and the Rangers are a business. I forget the stat but it's the 7th or 8th youngest team on average itl?

You JUST saw an 8th seed (NSH) make the Cup Finals and have huge equity in the series, the playoffs are ****ing lotto.

How far do you take this? Trade guys on their 3rd year of ELC for guys on the 2nd year of ELC?

Sign Shattenkirk and Smith, have real competition for the 6th/7th spot with a much better HFD D with the rest, buy at the trade deadline because that's what you do when you're a contender. Sheesh.

 

[JayMan82]

This isn't a rebuild. Gorton is trying to get cap flexibility going forward maybe not for the UFA class this year, but maybe for a possible trade and/or for the upcoming RFAs next season (Miller, Skjei, Hayes, Vesey).

This is a re-tool. I believe Gorton expects the team to be just as competitive in the playoffs in the upcoming season as they were last year.

If this was a rebuild there is zero chance AV would still be here.

Part of me feels like this is in fact a retool right now, but can spin into a rebuild if things go south during the year. Assets like Nash, Zucc, McD, Grabner, Hayes (and maybe even Staal and Lundqvist) can be sold off to the highest bidder for 2018 draft day futures.

A mid/offseason coaching change (likely to Lindy Ruff) would take place and boom, hopefully we can witness a one year rebuild while also attaining a potential generational player in an extremely deep draft.

Whatcha think?

 

[Hire Sather]

You guys are insane. The ~entire team is under 28 or something minus what 2 guys?
Last 4 years point totals:
96
113
102
101 (in what was supposed to be a possible non-playoff year)

This isn't a video game, this is real life and the Rangers are a business. I forget the stat but it's the 7th or 8th youngest team on average itl?

You JUST saw an 8th seed (NSH) make the Cup Finals and have huge equity in the series, the playoffs are ****ing lotto.

How far do you take this? Trade guys on their 3rd year of ELC for guys on the 2nd year of ELC?

Sign Shattenkirk and Smith, have real competition for the 6th/7th spot with a much better HFD D with the rest, buy at the trade deadline because that's what you do when you're a contender. Sheesh.

It's sad that not winning a cup means it's time to rebuild every year for a lot of people here.

This post is spot on and I believe is the Rangers plan. I will be shocked if Shattenkirk isn't a Ranger on Saturday afternoon.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

It's sad that not winning a cup means it's time to rebuild every year for a lot of people here.

This post is spot on and I believe is the Rangers plan. I will be shocked if Shattenkirk isn't a Ranger on Saturday afternoon.

It seems too many of the big wigs are echoing the same sentiment tho that were not as interested as people believe.

whether or not this is all off Brooks belief who knows.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Methot to Dallas per Friedman

 

[GregSirico]

You guys are insane. The ~entire team is under 28 or something minus what 2 guys?
Last 4 years point totals:
96
113
102
101 (in what was supposed to be a possible non-playoff year)

This isn't a video game, this is real life and the Rangers are a business. I forget the stat but it's the 7th or 8th youngest team on average itl?

You JUST saw an 8th seed (NSH) make the Cup Finals and have huge equity in the series, the playoffs are ****ing lotto.

How far do you take this? Trade guys on their 3rd year of ELC for guys on the 2nd year of ELC?

Sign Shattenkirk and Smith, have real competition for the 6th/7th spot with a much better HFD D with the rest, buy at the trade deadline because that's what you do when you're a contender. Sheesh.

Having such a young team provides us a smaller curve towards when we can challenge Pittsburgh again. That's why some of us are in favor of moving Nash and Zucc. It provides assets to get us to that next 5-7Y run.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

You guys are insane. The ~entire team is under 28 or something minus what 2 guys?
Last 4 years point totals:
96
113
102
101 (in what was supposed to be a possible non-playoff year)

This isn't a video game, this is real life and the Rangers are a business. I forget the stat but it's the 7th or 8th youngest team on average itl?

You JUST saw an 8th seed (NSH) make the Cup Finals and have huge equity in the series, the playoffs are ****ing lotto.

How far do you take this? Trade guys on their 3rd year of ELC for guys on the 2nd year of ELC?

Sign Shattenkirk and Smith, have real competition for the 6th/7th spot with a much better HFD D with the rest, buy at the trade deadline because that's what you do when you're a contender. Sheesh.

Sign Thornton, sign Marleau, sign Shatty, sign Smith, trade for John Adams from the Wings because he provides great leadership, one more time for the thousandth time another kick at the can YOLO!