Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXIV: We have Cap space! Hoorraayy!!!

[Fugazy]

Because the addition of possibly Shattenkirk (Which I believe is the plan and always has been) plus deangelo and then guys like Vesey, Hayes and Zibby taking a step forward could make us a better team. We also probably need to add at least 1 maybe 2 centers via ufa or trade.

A few ifs in there but we still have a good group with guys who can grow.

Swapping in Shattenkirk for Girardi alone would be an immense boost for this team's productivity and already make them a better team.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Because the addition of possibly Shattenkirk (Which I believe is the plan and always has been) plus deangelo and then guys like Vesey, Hayes and Zibby taking a step forward could make us a better team. We also probably need to add at least 1 maybe 2 centers via ufa or trade.

A few ifs in there but we still have a good group with guys who can grow.

I just see this as really pie in the sky. Hayes had iffy underlying metrics to begin with and now will get tougher matchups. Top lines will feast on the NYR centers. Vesey is not to be counted on.

D should improve, should move the needle. Not sure it will be a net gain short term.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I would gamble on Ekblad

 

[silverfish]

Yes because we know 2 days after Andersson was drafted and not 2-3 years whether or not he'll be the goods or a bust or not. Just like we all knew at time in 2008 Stepan was drafted 51st overall, he would end up better than Nikita Filatov who was drafted 6th overall and 15 other guys drafted in that years first round....right?

That's because drafting 18-19 year old kids are an exact science and so we can say definitivly right now Andersson won't have anything close to the career Stepan had.

Oh and we already know what JG is doing on July 1 with the extra 6.5 million he now has as his disposal plus the addition of DeAngelo...right?

I mean of all the things you are going to try and criticize Gorton about Fishie, you pick this?....LOL.

So this move here by JG trading Steps and Raanta for Andersson, DeAngelo and $6.5 million cash is your answer to who JG screwed up? And not even wait till July 1?....You can't make this **** up.

I'm evaluating the trade in the now. In the now, I see that Jeff Gorton didn't get good value for Stepan. Perhaps what he got was max-market value for Stepan, but at a certain point, not making a deal is better than making a deal. I believe this is one of those instances.

Right now, it's a bad trade. If you want to give yourself the window of 2-3 years before you evaluate the deal, that's cool. Must be nice not ever being able to be wrong.

 

[RGY]

Are you giving 38 year old Joe Thornton a 3 year contract? Stepan and Hayes are not 38 years old coming off major knee surgery.

No, but 1-2 years I would while Andersson, Chytil, and others continue their development.

Its a low risk, high reward move for this team.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

My bad ;P

 

[RGY]

It's not a low risk move to trade your #1 C for futures.

I'm not on either side here, i'm OK trading Stepan even though i think we should have gotten som more value, but saying stuff like that is just lies.

Huh?

If you were referring to my post I was talking about Thornton be a low risk move.

 

[Tawnos]

Huh?

If you were referring to my post I was talking about Thornton be a low risk move.

Signing Thornton is the absolute definition of high risk.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Huh?

If you were referring to my post I was talking about Thornton be a low risk move.

Ohhhh.... My bad, sorry

 

[Maximus]

Hanzal would be perfect on a 2-year deal. Brings exactly what Rangers need from their 3C with Hayes and Zibanejad playing in top6. In two years Lias should be ready to be top9 C.

I wouldn't be totally against that. The reality is, there is not alot of top tier centers available. So if we can't get Bonino and he wants too much money, Hanzel would be my 2nd choice and a two year deal would be great but I think Hanzel would want 3. Considering the options out there, I think so long as money was reasonablel...3.3-3.5 o so, I think I'd bring in Hanzel and hope he stayed healthy and with better players around him that he ever had, he'd be pretty productive(45-55 type guy). We'll see but not bad idea

 

[McD37]

Then he won't have much interest in coming here.

Hanzal will get a decent contract. Hes also good to miss 20 games a season.

I guess most of the players consider Rangers as a contending team. They are still one of the most successful clubs in NHL last 5 years.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I'm evaluating the trade in the now. In the now, I see that Jeff Gorton didn't get good value for Stepan. Perhaps what he got was max-market value for Stepan, but at a certain point, not making a deal is better than making a deal. I believe this is one of those instances.

Right now, it's a bad trade. If you want to give yourself the window of 2-3 years before you evaluate the deal, that's cool. Must be nice not ever being able to be wrong.

I agree with you 100%.

 

[RGY]

Signing Thornton is the absolute definition of high risk.

Explain.

He cost zero assets.

He can help Hayes

He will not be a huge cap hit.

If he falls apart you LTIR him plus that means the team wont be making the playoffs. You then deal Nash and potentially Zucc at the deadline.

This is the very definition of low risk.

 

[BBKers]

If we can wind up with this lineup:

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Nash - Thornton/Hanzal - Zucc
E Kane - Hayes - Miller
Vesey - Boyle/Kreuger/Nieves/?? - Fast

McD - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Holden - Bereglazov/DeAngelo

King
Nilsson/Kinkaid

It would not be so bad. I do not think we see this though...

 

[Maximus]

He only gets moved for a top 15 elite center.


I know it's the offseason so it's loony town around here, but McDonagh is a top 30 D in the league in his prime. You don't move him for anything less than an overpayment just because you're worried about paying him when he's 37.

Frankly his contract worry for the future seems overblown to me anyway. Girardi and Staal were risky long term deals because they couldn't skate. McDonagh is one of the best skating D men in the league. He could absolutely be good into his 30s. Not all players need to be moved just because they're nearing 30. Even still, I don't think he'll get a 7 or 8 year deal. His next deal will prob be 6 years.

Well said and totally agree. McDonagh looks like a guy who will be productive till his mid to late 30's. He's got the wheels and wheels are king in the NHL. I actually think he's going to retire a Ranger...I just do. Unless I'm blown away and I'd have be blown away two times as much as it what was given up for Harmonic, Mac gets his contract from us and retires a NY Ranger.

 

[Doctyl]

So was Girardi until he wasn't.

Yea but Girardi's injuries arent why he sucked. He sucked before he was broken.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I wouldn't go near Thornton on a multi-year deal after having knee surgery done. I'd give him a 1 year deal at the most.

Regardless, I think Bonino and Hanzal are better fits for this team and better fits to replace what Stepan brought to this team. Bonino is going to get stupid money because he won back-to-back Stanley Cups.

Hanzal on a 2-3 year deal is my guy.

 

[RGY]

If we can wind up with this lineup:

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Nash - Thornton/Hanzal - Zucc
E Kane - Hayes - Miller
Vesey - Boyle/Nieves/?? - Fast

McD - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Bereglazov - DeAngelo/Holden

King
Nilsson/Kinkaid

It would not be so bad. I do not think we see this though...

Wheres Grabner?

And I assuming you are expecting a Staal for Kane deal?

But that lineup would be talented except the defense would be young and inexperienced on the backend.

 

[Fugazy]

I wouldn't go near Thornton on a multi-year deal after having knee surgery done. I'd give him a 1 year deal at the most.

Regardless, I think Bonino and Hanzal are better fits for this team and better fits to replace what Stepan brought to this team. Bonino is going to get stupid money because he won back-to-back Stanley Cups.

Hanzal on a 2-3 year deal is my guy.

I wouldn't mind that at all. Thornton on any deal longer than 1 year would be less than ideal for me.

 

[I Eat Crow]

If we can wind up with this lineup:

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Nash - Thornton/Hanzal - Zucc
E Kane - Hayes - Miller
Vesey - Boyle/Nieves/?? - Fast

McD - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Bereglazov - DeAngelo/Holden

King
Nilsson/Kinkaid

It would not be so bad. I do not think we see this though...

How are the Rangers trading for Evander Kane? Staal?

Evander Kane and DeAngelo on the same team? Hooo boy...

Regardless, on paper, that team is much better than the teams of the past two years.

 

[charliemurphy]

Anybody opposed to bringing back Lindberg?
There's more and more talk of how Las Vegas is kind of in a squeeze because they can't afford to bring everyone into camp and will be forced to flip some players. Think a 3rd rounder would be enough to bring him back? I would feel more confident with Lindberg on the 2nd line than Hayes.

 

[Thirty One]

Anybody opposed to bringing back Lindberg?
There's more and more talk of how Las Vegas is kind of in a squeeze because they can't afford to bring everyone into camp and will be forced to flip some players. Think a 3rd rounder would be enough to bring him back? I would feel more confident with Lindberg on the 2nd line than Hayes.

Can't get him until January.

 

[BBKers]

How are the Rangers trading for Evander Kane? Staal?

Evander Kane and DeAngelo on the same team? Hooo boy...

Regardless, on paper, that team is much better than the teams of the past two years.

Staal (retain 25%), Grabner, something smallish for Kane

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I want no part of Hanzal tbh, idkw. Signing Thornton would be just such a comically Ranger thing to do, that for some fiendish reason I want it to happen. Of course only if it's quite cheap. Dude's 37 ... it would be so Ranger-eske

Boyle would be super cool, but I think he stays with the Leafs.


What's up with the Grabner trade-talk again here? Same **** as last pre-season. The dude's speed is the #1 ! reason we had a better regular season here. And he's being shopped around here again. Trade him and I want Rasmus Dahlin as a result.

 

[Maximus]

I'm fine with Hanzal for 2 or Bonino for 4.

Thornton would be one of the few moves I wouldn't be able to find a way to be positive about.

I'm with ya 100%.

37 year old albeit as lock hall of famers, who is slow to begin with coming off torn ACL and torn MCL ='s a recipe for disaster that even Sather in his drunkest days wouldn't do. Check that Sather might have now that I think about...I stand corrected....lol

Seriously even if Joe signed for just one year which he won't as he'll go back to San Jose, I still wouldn't want to waste the 4-4.5 it would take for him to come and play across country.

No chance he's coming here.