Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXI: Trade Everyone For Everything

[NYR Viper]

Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 2m2 minutes ago
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A lot of rumblings today that CHI and ARIZ are working on a deal that would allow the Blackhawks to move up to number 7 in the draft

Apparently #7 is available

 

[Tawnos]

This. It was a colossal failure by Gorton and/or our pro scouts.

The theory was that he needed a change of scenery badly. Turns out that theory was accurate, but he also needed an offseason to reset.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I don't see us making any moves.. we'll sit at 21 until "our guy" gets picked and then we'll trade back into the second round

his is what I think, too. Whether for better or worse, I don't even expect many significant trades at all this summer... maybe 1 or 2 for a bottom-six guy the first couple weeks, and a 3rd pairing D near training camp. Hoping Shattenkirk signing will be the ! this off-season.

Gorton seems like a calm though resolute guy. I think we're going to sign mostly CHL/NCAA/Euro guys; it seems like we've been sticking to that course... would be great to get Boyle again.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Wow that would be quite the shocker.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I've never really agreed with the premise that you can get a significant bargain if you're the only bidder.

Why? Especially in the Staal case where he had to OK any trade.

 

[Boruto]

Apparently #7 is available

careful, you're going to get yelled at by Pavel Buchenvich for that incorrect twitter format.

 

[Tawnos]

Why? Especially in the Staal case where he had to OK any trade.

Because a really effective way to destroy a relationship with a fellow GM is to take a hardline stance on what you will give for their asset and attempt to bend them over a barrel.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Can't even imagine what would be involved in this trade. Hjalmarsson? Hossa's contract?

 

[JimmyG89]

It has been said that people believe that Chicago is looking to get out from under the Hossa contract.

I think this is going to be a big trade. Chicago is looking to make a splash. Sweep in the 1st round. Cap strapped. Hossa + 1st + for #7.

Possibly Hjarlmarsson added to the deal? Coyotes would then have two late 1sts. Use on of the 1sts for Raanta?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Wow that would be quite the shocker.

Kruger, Hossa, #26, and a prospect for #7?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My mind went directly to Panarin but he has to hold more value than that.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Because a really effective way to destroy a relationship with a fellow GM is to take a hardline stance on what you will give for their asset and attempt to bend them over a barrel.

What if you're basically helping out a fellow GM by giving him an asset(s) for a guy who was going to walk for nothing at the end of the season?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Friedman saying Chi is working on a deal with AZ to move up to 7.

The dream is dead haha.

 

[DutchShamrock]

This. It was a colossal failure by Gorton and/or our pro scouts.

Then what does that say about the wild scouts? They had even more negative video than we did and they signed him. But because he bounced back they are geniuses and we're failures?

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

More things pointing to Stepan going no where. All just smoke and mirrors.

 

[Trxjw]

I'd laugh so hard if Chayka used the #7 pick to get over the cap floor.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

What does Chicago have that allows them to get the 7th?

 

[FLYLine27*]

It has been said that people believe that Chicago is looking to get out from under the Hossa contract.

I think this is going to be a big trade. Chicago is looking to make a splash. Sweep in the 1st round. Cap strapped. Hossa + 1st + for #7.

Possibly Hjarlmarsson added to the deal? Coyotes would then have two late 1sts. Use on of the 1sts for Raanta?

Why would ARZ be the team overpaying? If anyone has to overpay its the hakws.

 

[Irishguy42]

Jimmy, why would the Yotes trade #7 for just a pick lower in the first round and for a player who will likely never play again?

There is more to it than that.

 

[Griffinbw]

My mind went directly to Panarin but he has to hold more value than that.

Unless they can't afford him

 

[bernmeister]

This. Simply this. Even if the stepan front is dead, you have Zuccarello and nash. If the front office really did sour on kreider or he is the piece that can land a defining right d, he's an option. There are few untouchables and only a few players have clauses.

Kreider is not a bonafide trade option. He is this team's best F, AINEC. We saw what happened when AV was finally made to admit how he was running the bench was a failure, and for one period, he let Kreider be Kreider, and CK dominated.

A guy w/THAT MUCH ABILITY, THAT MUCH POTENTIAL TO DOMINATE, that is who you demand a premium above and beyond for.

I doubt clubs cough up overpayment we would require, and even if Kings gave us Doughty, that would be another short term gamble.

no, imo.

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Stepan is what he is, no more no less. Consistent, but plateaued.
Don't play hard to get
Don't demand a premium above and beyond fair value which may be acceptable in a case like kreider but not for a non-stud like DS.
If we can build a good rapport with AZ, that may lead to long term collaborations which overall are more profitable than trying to squeeze extra hard o one transaction.


Straight up for Chychrun, not withstanding any chump change to both sides.
Extremely fair. We also get younger and recover cap.

Then discuss separate deal for pick, Holden, Zuc, etc


Again, like I said,
if we pry EKane,

then w/adds all around
EKane to Canadiens
Gally to Colorado
Duchene to Rangers

 

[Fugazy]

What does Chicago have that allows them to get the 7th?

I'm having a hard time envisioning that deal as well.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

More things pointing to Stepan going no where. All just smoke and mirrors.

I don't know why this would stop them from trading for Stepan, but okay.

 

[Trxjw]

Two years left for Panarin, and he could certainly skip back to Russia if he wanted to. Seems like he'd be a weird target for the Coyotes.

Maybe they could turn around and flip him to the Rangers for Stepan? Or they could target Hammer and then move him to Montreal or something.

 

[RangerBoy]

I think -- especially if you move Stepan -- and ESPECIALLY if you can find a way to dump Staal -- that Shattenkirk is a no brainer.

He's exactly the direction the league is heading. Guys who can skate don't break down like the lumbering Staals and Girardis do in their early 30s as often.

He is exactly what the Rangers need and he's rumored to want to play here.

The Rangers are not giving Shattenkirk 7 years.