Tawnos
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Nah. PK is largely about experience.
This is close enough in my mind that I wouldn't really be upset if they took Grabner or Raanta. Much more important to me that we keep Lindberg and Fast.
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Nah. PK is largely about experience.
This is close enough in my mind that I wouldn't really be upset if they took Grabner or Raanta. Much more important to me that we keep Lindberg and Fast.
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Tawnos
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PIT's scouting staff was in love with Pouliot and Johnston who was coaching in Portland at the time.
They were really wrong on both.
They were really wrong on both.
To them I ask...
when was the last time you guys were able to buy a ticket to a playoff game?
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The other thing is staal was seen as a talented player trapped in a 3c position that would break out if given a larger offensive role, in other words there was more upside there. Stepan has been in that larger role and shown what he is.
Ironically enough, he's shown that he was more suited for it than Jordan Staal. IIRC, NYR were offering Stepan as part of the package to Pittsburgh for Staal.
But I think thats where his value lies. Not every team is looking for that "player with potential." Some teams need that sure thing (see: Arizona.)
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I wonder if Arizona trades for a goalie that was selected by Vegas. Mrazek or Grubauer or whoever else is out there.
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Didn't hurt that Staal had a 25 goal and 50 pt season in 62 games in 2011-2012 (Age 23 season), his last year with PIT prior to the trade to CAR. 6 goals in 6 playoff games as well that year.
I think there are some who are underrating what Stepan will return and some who are overrating it. Main board really seems to not value Stepan properly.
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Speaking of Stepan and his birthday, the Rangers didn't tweet out a Happy birthday to him. They usually do that kind of thing right? Or am I way over-thinking here?
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Trading a bunch of picks to Vegas so they select Klein in expansion?
I don't know the exact relative value of draft picks, but do you think Vegas would accept anything around three 4th round picks + three 5th round picks for them to select Klein in the expansion draft?
I don't know the exact relative value of draft picks, but do you think Vegas would accept anything around three 4th round picks + three 5th round picks for them to select Klein in the expansion draft?
Its 3 years if we're going to be honest about it.
Again, not every team is looking for that player with potential. If that were the case we'd see the Coyotes linked to Duchene/RNH.
It's not a coincidence that they've been linked to Stepan only only this year, but last year as well. They covet the player, we're not going to see JG sell low on him...
This is assuming he goes to Arizona, there are other teams in on him as well.
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I don't disagree with you, but that's the difference I was trying to demonstrate between Stepan and staal. Hindsight on what Staal became is 20/20. He's still a good player, but at the time people expected him to become more than he has, and probably more than what Stepan is.
I think the timing of the trade as far as the evolution of salary cap management also plays a role. Things have changed as far as how team value young players and their "young" contracts in the cap era.
Tawnos
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Staal was not looked at as having huge upside. He was looked at as the long term 2nd line C in Carolina. Stepan is what he is and that's better than the projection that Staal had.
By the way, don't take anything you read on the trade boards too seriously. They're always looking to "win" a proposed trade and not at all interested in fair value that might be good for both teams. The Brassard/Zibanejad trade never would've been generated over there.
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Well there is a big descrepancy in his perceived value. Some are going to the trade board with OEL proposals.
I think we get Perlini and the 7th OA, if Raanta isn't taken by Vegas he can be included to increase the return. I'll take Galchenyuk and do whatever it takes to develop him into our franchise center. I think the potential is there, he has just been the victim of horrific coaching by Therrien.
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This is all fair. I don't think they can get a high end player and #7 from AZ.
I don't think they can get Dvorak/Domi/Keller/Chychrun.
I think Strome, Fischer/DeAngelo, #23 is pretty much what I would want to see and isn't too unrealistic.
Maybe change Fischer/DeAngelo to Duclair/Crouse.
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Yes, a 55-point two-way center, with leadership qualities, who can matchup against the top centers in the league, who's got a wealth a playoff experience., and can play in all situations. Nope, no value at all.
And, again, if if that was the perception about Staal, it's mitigated by the fact that Shero had two available suitors. Gorton is limited by where he can send Stepan. That is a huge factor. It's why Nash didn't cost the arm-and -a-leg that CBJ fans thought he was going to cost. A player of Stepan's value has been established - 1st round pick, good young roster player, quality prospect. And, since it's been speculated that the Yotes and Rangers reportdely had a deal in place involving Stepan and the 7th pick last year, it's not unreasonable to think the 7th pick be a part of any deal this year involving Stepan.
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I don't think Zona trades Strome after all the pumping up they did after they missed out on the McEichel picks.
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Staal was definitely looked at as having untapped upside.
23 y/o former #2 pick. "Trapped" behind Sid/Malk. Limited PP role. Sid goes down for most of 11-12 and Staal gets a bigger role. Pots 50 in 62.
23 y/o former #2 pick. "Trapped" behind Sid/Malk. Limited PP role. Sid goes down for most of 11-12 and Staal gets a bigger role. Pots 50 in 62.
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That's a sunk cost. I don't think that would stop them. IF they want to add vets to turn the rebuild around sooner, trading a non-roster piece like Strome (who has some big question marks) makes the most sense.
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