Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXV: Marc Staal... Come on Down!!!

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Stepan for Galchenyuk is a bad trade for the Rangers. *Even if Montreal includes the 25th OA

Chucky more skilled/flashy, but the guy hasn't shown he can play a lick of defense at the NHL level, nor that he can be a center at this level. If Stepan and Chucky are both going to put up 55-60 points a year, I'd rather have the guy who does it at the center position, in all situations, and all strengths.
 
Pass on Galchenyuk. Gorton was great with the Brassard trade. Got younger + an equal player with a higher celing plus a 2nd round pick. Stepan to Galchenyuk+ would be a down grade with extras that isn't going to help in the near term.
 
Galchenyuk is by no means a defensive stalwart, but I'm a little confused as to what makes Zibanejad such a shrewd move while Gally is a trainwreck.
 
I'd want Gally but don't know if Step is the guy I'd want to trade for him. We'd need another Center and still need another Dman at least.
 
Brassard < Stepan
Zibanejad > Galchenyuk

Well, IMO.

I agree, but I don't think the gap between Zibanejad at the time we acquired him and Galchenyuk now is as large as people are claiming.

I'm not 100% sold on him being a complete center, but at the same time, this team has 3 guys in Zibanejad, Hayes, and Lindberg who play all situations already. Some variety might be the best thing for them.
 
I agree, but I don't think the gap between Zibanejad at the time we acquired him and Galchenyuk now is as large as people are claiming.

I'm not 100% sold on him being a complete center, but at the same time, this team has 3 guys in Zibanejad, Hayes, and Lindberg who play all situations already. Some variety might be the best thing for them.

Well to be fair, Hayes shouldn't play all situations, he's awful defensively and awful on the PK... He creates some goals on the PK which looks good but he's atrocious defensively :P

Having Galchenyuk + Hayes among our top 3 C would be pretty bad, but since i'd definitely trade Hayes this summer i'd do this Gally + 1st for Stepan trade and get a good defensive 3C somewhere else.
 
Thats a fair deal for Stepan. A top 6 winger in the dog house+ 1st for an established 1C?

I think Montreal fans would riot if their GM did that deal just on the premise of how bad we ripped them off last time we made a major trade and fear of it happening again. :laugh:

Stepan would help them A LOT.

I would be okay with that return for Stepan, IF we add a center some other way. I do not feel confident with Hayes on the 2nd line
 
I agree, but I don't think the gap between Zibanejad at the time we acquired him and Galchenyuk now is as large as people are claiming.

I'm not 100% sold on him being a complete center, but at the same time, this team has 3 guys in Zibanejad, Hayes, and Lindberg who play all situations already. Some variety might be the best thing for them.

Playing in all situations != being good in all situations ;)

I get what you're saying, though, but I'm a big fan of the balance and depth the Rangers have at the center position, and I think trading Stepan for Galch really throws a wrench into that. Especially if Galch can't play center. Then we have Hayes at 2C and Lindberg at 3C... I'm not okay with that. Takes our center depth from one of the tops in the league to roughly average, or worse, if Zibanejad doesn't take that next step with Stepan gone.
 
It's not like adding Galchenyuk wouldn't be a shrewd move... but at the cost of Stepan, it goes from a shrewd move to a bad move.

And it would only work if we somehow add a center to replace Stepan. I'd be more comfortable to move Stepan for Trouba/Faulk/Manson/Ekholm etc.

However, with every proposal that includes Stepan, I cannot state enough how much of a glaring hole it leaves in our center depth
 
This shouldn't change anything at all. Girardi is as much of a problem with or without Klein. The plan to buyout Girardi has been in the works since 1-2 years ago. Gorton wanted to grind another year off of Girardi's contract while waiting patiently for the right side to be loaded with capable replacements before he buys out Girardi. There's no point of buying out Girardi if management doesn't think anyone is capable of truly taking over his vacant spot for the long haul. Now we have bear gloves and Pionk that could use that vacant spot to become a part of the core going forward. Klein was already gone last December if management knew about the condition of his back. They were also prepared to have Klein exposed and picked by LV last summer.
We should now TRADE not buy out G, now that his NMC dies effective 7/1.
Preferably ASAP, so, as noted, we can move on w/mobile youth.
IMO fair price is we pay a 2nd and no less than 2 4ths (or instead, no more than 2 3rds) as bribe.
Staal is the one we buy out, unless we can swing an advantageous deal and he consents.


Friedman said LV and CBJ have been working on something to take Clarkson and his $5.25M cap hit that lasts for 3 more season with a NMC/NTC which is almost identical to Girardi except for $250,000 AAV and potentially a different NTC from Girardi's 15 team no-trade list. The LV bad contract open house for a 1st round pick rumors is likely stemming from this type of discussion with Columbus and a few other teams. Now imagine Staal's contract. $5,700,000 compared to Clarkson's $5,250,000. Staal has 4 years left instead of 3. Staal has NMC for all of his remaining 4 years and Clarkson only have 3 years of NMC/NTC. LV is likely willing to just sit on those contract until they end since they're not looking to truly be competitive for 3 years anyway.

CBJ's 1st is right around our value for our 1st. Ours will probably be higher than theirs next year but Staal's contract is much worse. I don't think Vegas is going to give us the same value as CBJ for a worse contract and bank on the fact that we're likely going to finish lower on the standings and end up with a low 20 pick instead of a high 20 pick.

Staal, NYR 1st, NYR 3rd/4th?

The problem I have with this logic is that Staal has played NHL hockey for the past two seasons. Poor NHL hockey, but hockey nonetheless. Clarkson is an LTIR contract that Columbus will attach a bribe to in order to be rid of.

No Staal to CBJ. Don't see he waives, or either side on the same page. I could be wrong, but don't see it.


Phaneuf has denied being exposed in expansion. So now what?

He said no to waiving his NMC. So now Ottawa must protect him, unless he changes his mind by Friday.
Would Marc consider moving to Ottawa?
Not interested otherwise, but would take Phaneuf back in a non hockey trade that costs us some $, but moves MS. As for Phanny, we can ultimately flip.


Staal would probably be better in a zone based system. Regardless, Staal has another 21.2 mil left on his contract. People are asking in the Klein thread why he would walk away from 2.75 mil. You think Staal is going to walk away from 21 mil?
Concur on bold
Not sure, but IMO Staal would waive for Hawks.
Competitive. chance at cup. Second City ballpark similar standard of living to NY. No probs expected with family relocation, schools, etc. If he doesn't want to sell CT digs, would have buy/rent short term, but I think it is close enough he considers to waive.

Of course, Chicago has absolutely no interest, unless Seabrook is unloaded.

I understand others disagree, but if Seabs is willing to give us follow up waiver to his NMC so we can immediately try to trade him -- and that is the thing, there must be no win now bs saying lets try to get a year out of Seabs --- IF all that could be arranged, it could be worth it.

Bet is still most likely for Staal buy out.


One-Way Deal.
That's the way to do it.
Puemps should sign with a smile on his face.
It's the Victor Svedberg reward... multiple one-way deals without doing jack in the NHL.
He's a good kid too, very likable guy. Just not an everyday NHLer.

He'd be a fine cheap spare . Not expecting much more but talents there

ok w/2 way, provided of course, no NMC and min or no NTC.
Not seeing huge dif in $. Good kid worth few extra $.


Stepan for Galchenyuk is a bad trade for the Rangers. *Even if Montreal includes the 25th OA

Chucky more skilled/flashy, but the guy hasn't shown he can play a lick of defense at the NHL level, nor that he can be a center at this level. If Stepan and Chucky are both going to put up 55-60 points a year, I'd rather have the guy who does it at the center position, in all situations, and all strengths.

Concur
 
He was a top-3 pick. Bern will love him
At the right price. Which this is not.
Up to a point, esp early on, the consensus in projected value is a solid +, but one neither to be over or under estimated.


And it would only work if we somehow add a center to replace Stepan....
However, with every proposal that includes Stepan, I cannot state enough how much of a glaring hole it leaves in our center depth.
Disagree. Would be nice to add depth, but not essential, and more important consideration is we max our return for DS.

I'd be more comfortable to move Stepan for Trouba/Faulk/Manson/Ekholm etc.
The specified names = not likely returns for any of several reasons.
 
Stepan had a horrible playoffs. Horrible.

But with that said, I am not willing to move him.

Klein retires.
Try and trade Girardi and/or buyout Staal.

Re-Sign Smith.
Sign Shattenkirk.
 
In Stepan I think everyone knows what the Rangers have in him. Defensive center who can handle top line minutes who can and does play against anyone in the league. He just cant skate a lick, nor can he win a faceoff. With that said, he has managed a way to find success year after year and made his way to the top line, as one of the leaders of this club. Despite his shortcomings, he is still one of my favorite players of this club, as I think he for the most part has been an overachiever. For whatever reason, players that DONT have the expectation in NY seems to be better here. See Callahan, Dubinsky, Graves.

In Galchenyuk, I think have more offensive upside. You get younger, and a better skater. Seems like he's a real gym rat. Left Handed Center/LW. Equally as bad as Stepan in the faceoff circle. Early on, he was predicted to be an NHL stud, PPG player. That hasn't materialized. He's only 23...But has played a lot of hockey already. Likely a better goal scorer. Would be interested to see what he could do with Zucc on his wing. I think he's more creative then Stepan is. He's also had 2 knee injuries. Post the knee injuries, has he been the same player?...Or has he been the same skater? Another American born player. Not certain what his next contract will look like? Im guessing similar to Stepans?

I want to see some change here. I am one of Stepans biggest supporters, however...I am definitely changing my opinion on this deal, or this rumor anyway. I would do it.
 
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