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Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII

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Vitto79 said:
A lot of fans are down in Skjei but I think the Ducks would like him ... if the add is only say Andersson don’t you do that deal for Lindholm ?
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Of course but that doesn't seem like a deal they would reasonably consider.

I don't think Lindholm is bad. His results are still good. I would just be concered about trading for and extending for huge money a guy who has seen his relative numbers drop five straight years. And yea the Ducks have gotten worse in that time but...if Lindholm is the same guy and the rest of the team is worse he should be even better relatively not worse.
 
Vitto79 said:
A lot of fans are down in Skjei but I think the Ducks would like him ... if the add is only say Andersson don’t you do that deal for Lindholm ?
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is that really an upgrade though? Or just a 'the grass is always greener' lateral move? I think Lindholm is better but by how much? plus he's got a similar contract but needs a raise 2 years sooner...

I could see the same people that bash skjei and want him traded to get rid of his contract, saying the same things about lindholm in 6 months
 
Leetch3 said:
is that really an upgrade though? Or just a 'the grass is always greener' lateral move? I think Lindholm is better but by how much? plus he's got a similar contract but needs a raise 2 years sooner...

I could see the same people that bash skjei and want him traded to get rid of his contract, saying the same things about lindholm in 6 months
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oh it will be bad. Lindholm is far from special
 
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Rangers aren't signing Kreider unless he's coming at a hometown discount. That's what happens when you got a guy making 11 mill+ on your roster and you're staring at a 5 mill dead cap hit for Shattenkirk next season.
 
Lindholm would 100% be an upgrade on Skjei.

this defense plus Lindholm and minus Skjei and Staal is more than good enough to win with.

Leetch3 said:
is that really an upgrade though? Or just a 'the grass is always greener' lateral move? I think Lindholm is better but by how much? plus he's got a similar contract but needs a raise 2 years sooner...

I could see the same people that bash skjei and want him traded to get rid of his contract, saying the same things about lindholm in 6 months
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eco's bones said:
Breaking in two rookie defensemen plus Hajek also got a really good look. Our D is very young. Rangers scored 227 goals last year and gave up 272 for a -45. This year with those young D we've scored 171 and given up 169 for a +2. We have lots of + players this year as well. We still could tighten up the D a lot but that IMO is significant progression from last year. A -45 plus a + 2 added together is a + 47 over 52 games. We're almost a goal to the good from last year every game. It certainly helps a lot having Panarin though too but our D should get better year to year and we have a lot more great prospects to even get their looks.
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I figured the post-deadline collapse without Hayes and Zucc had a lot to do with the abysmal goal difference, but it turns out I was wrong.

We are currently 20th in the league by Pt% (53.8%).

Last year on Feb 7th we were 19th in Pt% (50.9%). Somehow. Because we weren't good at all. We were last in the league in ROW with 17 (currently 15th with 26) and had a real goal differential (ignoring SO "goals") of -30 which put us 28th (currently T-16th with +4).

So despite the the small improvement in the points column, we have taken a massive step forward this year and especially over the past ~25 games where our underlying play has improved by leaps and bounds.
 
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Ola said:
A few thoughts.

1. I don't think that it is possible to imagine that you are building a team -- that should be somewhat complete -- during a point in time when you have a window to compete. Yes we can discuss windows, but we can forget about ever getting a "complete" team. And in that sense I mean a team that checks some kind of blue-print for how a Cup winner must be built. This was certainly the case 2 decades ago, but today the Cup winners will be far from perfect. Its probably more important to not fail in any area and being strong in general.

2. The risk if you aim for the above, is that you get into the trap Toronto is right now, because with the cap and 28 teams that really want to make the POs every year there is just not enough assets to go around. If you go for building the perfect team, there is just a big risk that you will be caught with your pants down in some area that was hard to predict on forehand. With that said, I don't think many teams have a better shot to win one cup over the coming 5 years than Toronto, they could be in the running on a regular basis. Or they could not.
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This is a great point. I think people here get too caught up on windows, ages, worrying about draft position and trying to build the perfect team at just the right time, when you should be trying to build the right team. Finding the right mix of guys and personalities that compliment each other. You can have all the top five picks you want, if they don't work together all you have is a very expensive roster.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Something else to consider:

Gorton may be meeting with Kreider's agent as a negotiating tactic – i.e. just so that he can leak the fact to Lebrun, thus indirectly informing Armstrong, Sakic, et. al. that if they don't up their offers, the Rangers may just decide to keep Kreids.
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Gorton is for sure meeting Kreider to get some final numbers, but I can almost guarantee he’s also meeting with him for leverage purposes in a trade

He has done this multiple times with the “well if we don’t get the offer we like, we’ll just keep him”
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Something else to consider:

Gorton may be meeting with Kreider's agent as a negotiating tactic – i.e. just so that he can leak the fact to Lebrun, thus indirectly informing Armstrong, Sakic, et. al. that if they don't up their offers, the Rangers may just decide to keep Kreids.
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This is also true.

I'd also add that either way I think it's at least good that Gorton know what the hell he's actually dealing with.

Is a discount 6.75 x 6? Is it 6.5x6? 6x6?

Let's put some actual meaning behind the term "discount" and see where everyone is at.
 
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Blue Blooded said:
I figured the post-deadline collapse without Hayes and Zucc had a lot to do with the abysmal goal difference, but it turns out I was wrong.

We are currently 20th in the league by Pt% (53.8%).

Last year on Feb 7th we were 19th in Pt% (50.9%). Somehow. Because we weren't good at all. We were last in the league in ROW with 17 (currently 15th with 26) and had a real goal differential (ignoring SO "goals") of -30 which put us 28th (currently T-16th with +4).

So despite the the small improvement in the points column, we have taken a massive step forward this year and especially over the past ~25 games where our underlying play has improved by leaps and bounds.
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And all of this signals to me the strong possibility for a big jump next year.
 
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Given that the Rangers next year have 30% of the cap tied to their backup goalie, 7th defenseman, 13th forward, and Tampa's stud offensive defenseman, it's more fun to think about 2021-22.

Panarin - Zibanejad - ?
? - Chytil - Kakko
? - ? - Kravstov
? - ? -?

Skjei - Trouba
Fox - DeAngelo
Lindgren - Lundkvist

Shesterkin
?

Open questions on forward include whether the Rangers will re-sign Kreider, Buchnevich, Strome, Fast, Lemieux and Howden.

Open questions on defense include whether the Rangers will make a trade for a natural LD and whether Miller, Keane, Hajek, and Rykov will force a move.
 
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Crease said:
Given that the Rangers next year have 30% of the cap tied to their backup goalie, 7th defenseman, 13th forward, and Tampa's stud offensive defenseman, it's more fun to think about 2021-22.

Panarin - Zibanejad - ?
? - Chytil - Kakko
? - ? - Kravstov
? - ? -?

Skjei - Trouba
Fox - DeAngelo
Lindgren - Lundkvist

Shesterkin
?

Open questions on forward include whether the Rangers will re-sign Kreider, Buchnevich, Strome, Fast, Lemieux and Howden.

Open questions on defense include whether the Rangers will make a trade for a natural LD and whether Miller, Keane, Hajek, and Rykov will force a move.
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I would assume by 21-22 that Kakko will be higher up than the second line and Kravtsov will be higher up than the third line.
 
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[QUOTE="GoAwayStaal, post: 169939261, member: 70174"Our defense hasn't been great in their own end, but they're a really young group so that is to be expected.[/QUOTE]
No, they haven't overall. But as you point out, that is to be expected. But they have made tangible strides.
 
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its pretty hard to form an opinion on this not being in the locker room, which is probably why its not discussed much, but another big factor to me in the decision on kreider is his value as a leader in the rebuild. He's playing with mika and buch, so he's not strapped to a rookie during the games. but during preseason they talked about how a bunch of prospects stayed with him so they could work out with him. what does his presence/work ethic in practice, locker room etc mean to the development of the younger players?

not easy to measure but if i feel that kakko, chytil, fox, etc will become better players by learning from him that factors into my decision cause then its not just about kreider's personal play.
 
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The benefits of trading Trouba are:

1) an *outsized* return, given the term he’s locked down to and complete lack of any trade protections until July, and
2) the cap savings, which we will need to keep ADA.

We could turn Trouba into a young 2C on an ELC and not suffer much for it in D depth. Brooks is right that it should absolutely be explored. It would be malpractice not to.
 
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Wow this took a dark turn early on a Friday
 
NYR Viper said:
No worries, Ola, I feel like I have known you (on here) long enough to know you wouldn't write like that.

I'd say he would be a pretty significant upgrade over Lindgren (who I really like).



I was just using Nurse as an example as we are talking about acquiring Lindholm.
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Sure. Have seen Nurse’s name a lot though
 
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