Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII

[Ola]

24 pts in his last 23 games.

BTW, anyone got track of what Alex Pieterangelo might be thinking in St Louis? If Pieterangelo bolts, their cap situation has a lot of flexibility next season. One more year and Steen's 5.75m is off the books too. Kreider could be a long-term option for them, possibly.

 

[bl02]

We all love and appreciate Hank but Georgie is Gonna have to be sacrificed for Hank staying. If somehow we can grab Detroit’s 2nd rounder gotta make that deal unless the canes will pony up one of their young forward prospects.
That Detroit 2nd will be just as good St. Louis first rounder if that’s what we got back for Kreider

 

[RGY]

We all love and appreciate Hank but Georgie is Gonna have to be sacrificed for Hank staying. If somehow we can grab Detroit’s 2nd rounder gotta make that deal unless the canes will pony up one of their young forward prospects.
That Detroit 2nd will be just as good St. Louis first rounder if that’s what we got back for Kreider

Kreider is playing is way into a great return if they do indeed trade him. He has been outperforming Hall since that trade.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

And you may very well be right. He can be an excellent 3rd liner which is really what we need. Similar to what Hagelin was. Kapanen could also move up in case of injuries.

Been comparing him to Grabner but the only issue is he lacks Hagelin's or Grabner's pk ability. I'm sure there are better players we could acquire, not sure why everyone is focused on him.

 

[bl02]

Kreider is playing is way into a great return if they do indeed trade him. He has been outperforming Hall since that trade.

For sure and he would be even better on the Blues. Kostin and a second. Kostin and a first would be a great Job by JG unless he can pull off a great trade for strome and Skjei and we resign Kreider? JG is gonna be busier than ever the next two weeks

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I really wish they would talk deal with Kreider now, tell him they are trading him but would love to sign him later. We need a win like that out of all these guys we move.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

For sure and he would be even better on the Blues. Kostin and a second. Kostin and a first would be a great Job by JG unless he can pull off a great trade for strome and Skjei and we resign Kreider? JG is gonna be busier than ever the next two weeks

Getting Kostin would be a nice job, great way to make Kravtsov comfortable.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Been comparing him to Grabner but the only issue is he lacks Hagelin's or Grabner's pk ability. I'm sure there are better players we could acquire, not sure why everyone is focused on him.

He plays on the Leafs’ PK...

 

[Edge]

Are there other teams besides Carolina that were sniffing around the Rangers goalie situation?

I dont know who the comparable would be to Kapanen on Carolina...and thats if we could get that return.

Toronto, San Jose and Carolina are names that have come up the most, and talked with the Rangers.

There's varying degrees of speculation that Calgary isn't in love with their goalie situation, nor is Colorado, Detroit, or Vegas.

Can't speak to whether goaltending has ever come up between the Rangers and that last group of four.

 

[Edge]

Detroit and Ottawa also belong in this conversation. Their seconds will be high in the second round. 2+3 (2021)?

A lot of people speculating that Detroit could be very aggressive over the next 6 months.

 

[Gardner McKay]

24 pts in his last 23 games.

BTW, anyone got track of what Alex Pieterangelo might be thinking in St Louis? If Pieterangelo bolts, their cap situation has a lot of flexibility next season. One more year and Steen's 5.75m is off the books too. Kreider could be a long-term option for them, possibly.

From everything I know, they are going to do their best to retain him and he wants to be in STL. Not always indicative of a deal being done but...

I really wish they would talk deal with Kreider now, tell him they are trading him but would love to sign him later. We need a win like that out of all these guys we move.

Then Kreider's agent convinces him to wait it out a bit and a desperate team like Buffalo throws him a Jeff Skinner-esque contract.

I agree it would be nice but it rarely happens and I can't blame the player for seeing what is out there. It is one thing to leave $500k a year or so on the table. It is another thing to leave $1.5+ million a year out there and a GM that misses out on Hall in FA just might be willing to hand Kreider a big deal around 6 years $7.5+ million. Free Agency does some strange things to General Managers.

 

[RangerBoy]

Lmao I forgot you know so much more than anyone. What a damn clown you are. My bad, I wasn’t ready to trade Brassard so quickly during the 2015-2016 season when they just came off an ECF like you were. What are the lottery numbers too? We all know how much of a heartless robot you are who treats this team like a damn video game.

And youre right I do like being competitive. I like going to the playoffs. I like watching the Rangers go to the SCF, the ECF twice which shouldve been 3 times. I appreciate Hank all that he did to carry teams as far as he did. Talk about sarcastic, youre the most sarcastic ******* on this board when it comes to Hank.

And that western trip was some of the most excruciating hockey witnessed in a long time. Was it not? That was quality play? GTFO. You dont like when people discredit or challenge you. Your word is law around here. If anyone disagrees, “they don’t know what they are talking about”....youre still hoping the Panarin contract doesnt pan out just so you can be right and say I told you so. Thats more important to you. Youre laugh out loud funny.

Quinn probably will be fired eventually. He mismanaged the team during that road trip. I defended him early on and throughout the season I have constantly said he has his good qualities but the bad have outweighed them.

TRADE EVERYONE. MORE TRADES. ANYONE OVER 27 MUST GO. FIND THE SHINY NEW TOY PROSPECT.

Clown.

You are such a joke. Pro sports is the ultimate business. You like these players are members of your family. You are such a lost cause. I feel sorry for the people who have to deal with you on a daily basis.

 

[RangerBoy]

I’ll be straight to the point - if you can get the number closer to 6 per year, that’s the key. And if you can get it to that point, I think they might be willing to add the 7th year to make up the difference on the deal.

I know some people aren’t comfortable with that 7th year, and I can’t say it puts me at ease, but I think that’s your potential opening. So I’d keep on eye less on the concept of 6.75x6 or even 6.5x6, and I’d keep an eye out for the idea of 6x7 starting to come out.

The Rangers are asking for trouble with that contract.

 

[NYR Viper]

The guy I keep circling back to is Fast. I'm not sure trading him for, say a 2nd, is worth it honestly. If he'd take ~$3m per season, I'd probably re-sign him and look to trade Strome who I think would return more.

 

[RGY]

You are such a joke. Pro sports is the ultimate business. You like these players are members of your family. You are such a lost cause. I feel sorry for the people who have to deal with you on a daily basis.

Wow did i hit a nerve there RB? The almighty one? I’m the joke because I am a FAN and like certain players? Do you know how asinine that sounds? Yes this is a business...an ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS. We as fans are allowed to be drawn to one player over another. I see you’re really getting personal here with that last sentence when you have no clue who I am, but that makes sense since youre the biggest f***ing cry baby on this board when people dont agree with every opinion you have. Talk about a lost cause as a human being in society...

 

[Edge]

The Rangers are asking for trouble with that contract.

On a personal level, I agree. I have a lot more concerns then some about going with this contract into his 30s --- whether it be 6x7 or 7x7 or 7x6 or something in those ballparks.

But separating my opinion, from feedback I've recieved, I have to acknowledge that if Kreider were open to a 6x7 it has a chance to generate more interest with the Rangers.

Kind of like last year. I didn't think signing Panarin was the right approach, and frankly I still feel that way despite his amazing season. However, once they won the lottery, it was apparent that the odds of them going hard for Panarin went up significantly. That was confirmed by people I spoke with and so I had to acknowledge it.

So while I don't love the idea of something like a 6x7, I think the Rangers might be more open to it than I am. What no one I spoke with knows is whether Kreider's camp would bite.

 

[Edge]

The guy I keep circling back to is Fast. I'm not sure trading him for, say a 2nd, is worth it honestly. If he'd take ~$3m per season, I'd probably re-sign him and look to trade Strome who I think would return more.

I'd love $2.5m, I'd go up to $3m because of the versatility. But not beyond that.

If he wants to sign for $3m per, on a 3 year deal, I'm open to that.

If he's creeping north of that, I thank him for his service and move on.

 

[RGY]

On a personal level, I agree. I have a lot more concerns then some about going with this contract into his 30s --- whether it be 6x7 or 7x7 or 7x6 or something in those ballparks.

But separating my opinion, from feedback I've recieved, I have to acknowledge that if Kreider were open to a 6x7 it has a chance to generate more interest with the Rangers.

Kind of like last year. I didn't think signing Panarin was the right approach, and frankly I still feel that way despite his amazing season. However, once they won the lottery, it was apparent that the odds of them going hard for Panarin went up significantly. That was confirmed by people I spoke with and so I had to acknowledge it.

So while I don't love the idea of something like a 6x7, I think the Rangers might be more open to it than I am. What no one I spoke with knows is whether Kreider's camp would bite.

And that is ok. If they cannot get Kreider to sign on their terms then you trade him. Thats it. But I think they should be considering it for so many reasons that we have covered in circles. The team is in the middle of the transition, whether some want to believe it or not. Trouba. Fox. Kakko. Panarin. Gorton and JD are not going into next year being ok with missing the playoffs. I am sure they wanted to be there this season. Kreider is a key component to the top 6 and adds a different element to the makeup of the team. This isn’t a cut and dry decision. It will go down to the wire.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He plays on the Leafs’ PK...

Not like Hagelin or Grabner though...average pk guy

 

[Leetch3]

Personally, I'd like to see Lundqvist finish his career here as a Ranger and trade Georgiev. We're not winning anything this year or next anyway.

My wishful thinking.

I want hank to finish his career as a ranger...but removing his cap hit (or 50% of it) could have a huge impact on other moves...so pretty torn

 

[Edge]

And that is ok. If they cannot get Kreider to sign on their terms then you trade him. Thats it. But I think they should be considering it for so many reasons that we have covered in circles. The team is in the middle of the transition, whether some want to believe it or not. Trouba. Fox. Kakko. Panarin. Gorton and JD are not going into next year being ok with missing the playoffs. I am sure they wanted to be there this season. Kreider is a key component to the top 6 and adds a different element to the makeup of the team. This isn’t a cut and dry decision. It will go down to the wire.

I am interested to see how terms impact perception on here though.

I suspect that how high people are willing to go might be creeping up a little.

Most everyone doesn't want to go 7x7.

But I'm not sure what started out as a desire to go 6x5 hasn't become 6x6, 6.5x5, 6.5x6, or maybe even 6.75x 5 or 6.75 x6.

I don't have any indication that the Rangers stance has changed, but it would be interesting to compare notes from 6-8 months ago and see if contract creep has occurred on the board.

Concepts that creep into conversations are always interesting to me. It's kind of like the fable about frogs and boiling water --- if you throw the frog into water that is already boiling, it jumps out, but if you turn up the temperature gradually it dies. It's strictly a metaphor, but I think there's truth to it.

All of us are prone to that, both as individuals and as collectives. The terms of a deal keep creeping up, or maybe the list of "have to" guys keeps expanding. You don't notice over a short enough window, but it starts to emerge as your expand the timeframe.

 

[MadHookUp]

I am curious how much the expansion draft is being factored into the Rangers plans. Previously I assumed the Rangers would protect 7F, 3D, 1G. But now I am thinking 8F/D might be the best route. Assuming Kreider is moved and there are no drastic changes to the roster, I only see a handful of MUST protect players. Mika, Panarin Chytil, Buch. Others to consider are Strome, Anderson, Lemuiex, and Howden. Assuming we move Anderson, we could protect all the forwards of value.

Where it gets interesting is our Defense we have.. Trouba, Skjei, DeAngelo, Lindgren, Hajek. When you add the must Protect forwards to this group, you have 9 people. So someone from this group of 9 really should be traded so we don't lose them for nothing. My predication is either Buch, Skjei, or DeAngelo. Rangers seem to be too high on Lindgren and Hajek. Here is an expansion tool if anyone is interested.

Seattle Expansion Draft Simulator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[RGY]

I am interested to see how terms impact perception on here though.

I suspect that how high people are willing to go might be creeping up a little.

Most everyone doesn't want to go 7x7.

But I'm not sure what started out as a desire to go 6x5 hasn't become 6x6, 6.5x5, 6.5x6, or maybe even 6.75x 5 or 6.75 x6.

I don't have any indication that the Rangers stance has changed, but it would be interesting to compare notes from 6-8 months ago and see if contract creep has occurred on the board.

Concepts that creep into conversations are always interesting to me. It's kind of like the fable about frogs and boiling water --- if you throw the frog into water that is already boiling, it jumps out, but if you turn up the temperature gradually it dies. It's strictly a metaphor, but I think there's truth to it.

All of us are prone to that, both as individuals and as collectives. The terms of a deal keep creeping up, or maybe the list of "have to" guys keeps expanding. You don't notice over a short enough window, but it starts to emerge as your expand the timeframe.

It will be interesting to see what happens. The next 2-3 weeks will play a factor as well. Maybe they never even discuss contract terms. Maybe Gorton has his mind made up. I think it would be silly to not at least see if there was a way to sign Kreider to a deal that works for both sides.

But the team’s play and his own play over the next 2-3 weeks will steer this ship in one direction or the other. They are not dropping the anchor in the water where they are now.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If you love something, let it go. If Kreider comes back, it was meant to be, if not, then he was never really ours...

If I'm Kreider, and I love being a Ranger and want to be, I acknowledge the fact that they aren't going to go to the playoffs this year, take a trade to a team with a shot to win, play in the playoffs, maybe win it all, then come back and be a Rangers again, provided the price is right. There is absolutely nothing stopping him from doing that. A nice 4 month vacation and then come back. Everyone wins.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Something @Edge pointed out to me that i feel a good amount of people on these boards should consider is cap inflation. Paying Kreider 6million 5 years from now will not be the same as paying a 33 year old 6 million today. There was a time when people like Zach Kassian would never make the type of bag he just secured. If the Rangers end up signing Kreids at 6x7 or something, those last 2 years where he is a bottom6 forward wont be as bad as they seem. It wont be a wonderful contract, but it wont be a Marc Staal situation.