Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20 Part XXV

[mas0764]

While “you can’t trade everyone” you also have to know that you can’t pay your third liners $5m+ a year if you’re gonna be resigning your stars.

If our star top liners are Zibanejad, Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, and a forward yet to be acquired (maybe this year’s draft), then you can’t really give long term big money to Buch, Kreider, OR Strome. Just saying.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I’m still game to trade Buch to Edmonton with half his cap hit retained for this year. See if they’ll give up their 1st and Puljujaarvi

@NYR Viper I love your icon and agree with some of your posts but buddy come on. That trade is disgustingly bad for us. Pool party is a joke.

 

[n8]

I don't think the Penguins have the assets needed to trade for Kreider. That looks very unlikely to me.

On the subject of a Buchnevich to Minnesota for Greenway deal. I think the Rangers would do it---I'm not sure the Wild wouldn't want more. Depending on what that more (if anything) would be I'd be inclined to do it. We'd be getting a two year younger player on a much cheaper contract and Greenway might not be quite as talented as Buch but I can see him becoming a better player and he'd make the Rangers a lot harder team to play against. He's a beast and he skates well--if Kreider is gone I can see him possibly becoming the new net front presence guy. He's a physical player besides. I think it would be a good deal for us.

While it's true that Pavel's got great talent--he looks like a 45 point a year player to me. That's not a bad thing at all really but he's not proven to be a key player either.

At the same age as Pavel, young Blake Wheeler produced similarly where Buch is at now. I'm not saying he's going to be that good but it is possible he is just going to be a late bloomer. Duclair kinda is relevant in the current ASG zeitgeist. Zetterberg is another play that comes to mind who put up two 40 point seasons before turning into an elite guy in his mid 20s. Management has to make the call if they think Buch will eventually turn into that player. On some nights, he's amazing. His biggest enemy is consistency and not losing confidence.

That said, Greenway would look good on our bottom 6. I wonder if he can learn to be a better penalty killer.

 

[egelband]

At the same age as Pavel, young Blake Wheeler produced similarly where Buch is at now. I'm not saying he's going to be that good but it is possible he is just going to be a late bloomer. Duclair kinda is relevant in the current ASG zeitgeist. Zetterberg is another play that comes to mind who put up two 40 point seasons before turning into an elite guy in his mid 20s. Management has to make the call if they think Buch will eventually turn into that player. On some nights, he's amazing. His biggest enemy is consistency and not losing confidence.

That said, Greenway would look good on our bottom 6. I wonder if he can learn to be a better penalty killer.

I do think Buch has a great ability to get into scoring position. And he’ll get better at finishing, I’m confident. Still, I’d prefer a player a bit more robust, that’s all. I’d swap him as a nice scorer for a guy who maybe scores a little less but is a bit more of a defensive stalwart - but not clumsy either. It’s just a matter of preference for me. I think Buch is a good NHL’er with room to grow.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I do think Buch has a great ability to get into scoring position. And he’ll get better at finishing, I’m confident. Still, I’d prefer a player a bit more robust, that’s all. I’d swap him as a nice scorer for a guy who maybe scores a little less but is a bit more of a defensive stalwart - but not clumsy either. It’s just a matter of preference for me. I think Buch is a good NHL’er with room to grow.

Someone like Jake Virtanen?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Someone like Jake Virtanen?

I think that ship has sailed. Only half season but it looks like Virtanen is starting to put it all together. Hes not going to be a 60pt player but similar to Buch in production with being able to be responsible on the D side. An ideal 3rd liner really is what hes shown so far this season.

 

[Kocur Dill]

The notion on this board that the Leafs will trade us Nylander is nearly as laughable as the notion that we are going to keep Kreider. I can assure you all of two things: Kreider is gone at Deadline and Nylander will not be wearing a Rangers jersey at the Deadline.

And this is coming from someone who for every logical trade idea I have, I have one just as stupid to match it lol.

So, this post is a self fulfilling prophecy?

Just kidding. Couldn't refuse the bait.

 

[eco's bones]

At the same age as Pavel, young Blake Wheeler produced similarly where Buch is at now. I'm not saying he's going to be that good but it is possible he is just going to be a late bloomer. Duclair kinda is relevant in the current ASG zeitgeist. Zetterberg is another play that comes to mind who put up two 40 point seasons before turning into an elite guy in his mid 20s. Management has to make the call if they think Buch will eventually turn into that player. On some nights, he's amazing. His biggest enemy is consistency and not losing confidence.

That said, Greenway would look good on our bottom 6. I wonder if he can learn to be a better penalty killer.

You may well be right about Buch though I think Wheeler is a better comparison for Greenway. Wheeler is huge and a great skater pretty much like Greenway. I think a lot of what's stymying Buch is mentality--for him to get to where Zetterberg got he's going to have to break through some barriers and those barriers aren't really so much about skill. A Ranger example would be Zibanejad. For instance he was a good to very good player before the Rangers put out their letter---but after that he pretty much grabbed the ring and leadership of the team. Panarin also has that kind of mentality. You can't just be one of the guys then---you can never be a passenger---you become an example for the others to follow. That's where Pavel needs to go if he's going to be a Zetterberg. I like Duclair--I've always thought he had the capacity to do the things he's doing---sometimes it's situation and opportunity and that's what I think is happening with him now. He's broken out this year but that said IMO he's not really proven as a great player yet---he's in the very good category.

I am very intrigued by Greenway. Take it for what it's worth but I think size and physicality matter a lot at least when they're combined with a guy actually able to play and he's 22. Guys with those kinds of elements in their game can be extremely difficult to go up against. He's a guy who might well be able to replace Kreider if we move on from him.

 

[egelband]

Someone like Jake Virtanen?

Any chance the Canucks would do that? Buch-plus maybe?

 

[wafflepadsave]

Any chance the Canucks would do that? Buch-plus maybe?

Think it’s too late.

 

[GAGLine]

While “you can’t trade everyone” you also have to know that you can’t pay your third liners $5m+ a year if you’re gonna be resigning your stars.

If our star top liners are Zibanejad, Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, and a forward yet to be acquired (maybe this year’s draft), then you can’t really give long term big money to Buch, Kreider, OR Strome. Just saying.

There's a nugget of truth in here, but it's buried beneath some pretty big assumptions. None of Kakko, Kravtsov or Chytil have surpassed Buchnevich, Kreider or Strome yet. Chytil has made progress and will hopefully be a top 6 center. Kakko should improve to be a top 6 wing. It might take a couple more years for Kravtsov to start realizing his potential as a top 6 wing.

So to say that we can't give out contracts to Buch, Kreider or Strome is a fallacy. Kreider is more of a risk due to his age and the term he will likely want, but both Buch and Strome can be re-signed to reasonable contracts. If and when younger players actually make them expendable, then they can be traded.

You are putting the cart before the horse. Let the young players prove it before we worry about who they are going to replace.

 

[NYR Viper]

You can’t pick and choose which years you retain on, unfortunately.

But Buch only has 1 year left on his deal than RFA

 

[Mikos87]

Jake Virtanen is what happens when you rush a kid, especially after a down year from his draft season. His game is predicated on size and speed, and he didn't bulk up until this year.

There were a few scouts who had him pegged as a very good 3rd liner, and that's what he's becoming. I had much higher hopes. Top end speed, big body, right shot. You figured with his talent, he could pot 25 goals even if the hockey smarts weren't there. He's close to being that player.

A top 6 player he is not imo.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How many 3rd liners score 25 goals?

The shoulder injury set him back, glad that hes finally starting to put it together and I wish we had traded for him before he did.

 

[Mikos87]

IMO if you are trading Buch between now and this summer, you will get a deal that's $.75 on the $1. Going into the year, I thought he had a 30 goal upside, but he's been very passive and not producing at the clip you would want.

A team that would be interested in him is one that desperately needs scoring help, can absorb the cap hit, and put him on a 3rd unit that can score, and you are getting an RFA back that needs a change of scenery.

IMO if they want to give Quinn a vote of confidence, a Greenway for Buch package fits the kind of trade that fits both teams.

The downside is that you could see Buch turn into a 25-30 goal man elsewhere and not get that level of production back if you move him in the near future.

 

[Mikos87]

How many 3rd liners score 25 goals?

The shoulder injury set him back, glad that hes finally starting to put it together and I wish we had traded for him before he did.

Fair point, I should clarify, a guy who plays on the 3rd forward unit 5v5 and does it very well with some PP time.

Think Frank Vatrano, Ryan Dzingle, Brett Connolly, Yanni Gourde, Cody Eakin type of player.

 

[LORDE]

Without pay.

Still waiting on allegations of wrongdoing by the organization... law suit or complaint filed... some grievance with the NHLPA...

(Looks @ watch)

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Without pay.

Still waiting on allegations of wrongdoing by the organization... law suit or complaint filed... some grievance with the NHLPA...

(Looks @ watch)

Well, based on the way that was written, CapFriendly is stating that he's no longer suspended without pay, so it's a fairly minor matter of a few weeks. All involved may be agreeing it's better to just let it go.

 

[kinger8998]

So, this post is a self fulfilling prophecy?

Just kidding. Couldn't refuse the bait.

Won't lie, you made me laugh. What's the point of life if you can't poke fun of yourself lol. Why I come on the boards, get to know other Rangers fans and share ideas, talk about the team

 

[LORDE]

Well, based on the way that was written, CapFriendly is stating that he's no longer suspended without pay, so it's a fairly minor matter of a few weeks. All involved may be agreeing it's better to just let it go.

Why would Andersson agree if he was wronged?
I don’t think anything happened... I have said it before. Until, OR unless some further info comes out, he’s just an entitled kid struggling with his imperfections that were more than on display in his short time here.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How the hell is the deadline only 4 weeks away?

It feels like they just beat Winnipeg in the home opener last week.

 

[Leetch3]

How the hell is the deadline only 4 weeks away?

It feels like they just beat Winnipeg in the home opener last week.

i feel like its been 4 weeks till the deadline for 2 months lol

 

[East Coast Bias]

Why would Andersson agree if he was wronged?
I don’t think anything happened... I have said it before. Until, OR unless some further info comes out, he’s just an entitled kid struggling with his imperfections that were more than on display in his short time here.

Capfriendly is just noting the status/designation change. It's not saying either party agrees the other was right/wrong.

They suspended him without pay because he went AWOL. Once they both agreed he should go on loan, that obviously changed his status. It doesn't mean they agreed he didn't do anything wrong. or he absolved them of whatever his issue was.

 

[kinger8998]

- Currently liking an AG trade to SJS. Brings LaBanc and a 2nd/3rd back.
- Interested in seeing if theres something to be had around Buch to Edmonton for Draft pick +Puljujarvi

Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Labanc-Zibanejad-Puljujarvi
Jost-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-???
???

- Don't see resigning of Fast unless it's for $2.5M or less, which I don't think is consistent with his market.
- Assuming a Kreider trade to COL for 1st + Jost
- Plenty of options...Gettinger, Nieves, Lettieri, McKegg, Free Agents...

Skjei-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Staal-DeAngelo
Rykov

- Don't see buyout of Staal considering all the other buyouts
- Don't think the issue is personnel, more system/coaching. I would expect Ruff gone before any major personnel changes, aside from Skjei maybe moved at Draft with his replacement coming in in that deal.
- Would expect NYR to ride out these pairings with the exceptuon of Rykov in for Staal depending on play.
- Don't see Hajek being a fit here long term, could be an add in in another deal

Hank
Shesterkin

- Would expect a 50/50 split games wise
- I can see Hank resigning on a one-year term with paycut if he doesn't decide to retire

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

- Currently liking an AG trade to SJS. Brings LaBanc and a 2nd/3rd back.
- Interested in seeing if theres something to be had around Buch to Edmonton for Draft pick +Puljujarvi

Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Labanc-Zibanejad-Puljujarvi
Jost-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-???
???

- Don't see resigning of Fast unless it's for $2.5M or less, which I don't think is consistent with his market.
- Assuming a Kreider trade to COL for 1st + Jost
- Plenty of options...Gettinger, Nieves, Lettieri, McKegg, Free Agents...

Skjei-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Staal-DeAngelo
Rykov

- Don't see buyout of Staal considering all the other buyouts
- Don't think the issue is personnel, more system/coaching. I would expect Ruff gone before any major personnel changes, aside from Skjei maybe moved at Draft with his replacement coming in in that deal.
- Would expect NYR to ride out these pairings with the exceptuon of Rykov in for Staal depending on play.
- Don't see Hajek being a fit here long term, could be an add in in another deal

Hank
Shesterkin

- Would expect a 50/50 split games wise
- I can see Hank resigning on a one-year term with paycut if he doesn't decide to retire

I would love to get leblanc but the buch for edm 1st and poolparty is horrible for us. Pool party sucks. If we are trading buch it should be with something else to gain another top end player. Poolparty is and wont be that. Also can't just let fast go. He will be wanted by every team for the playoffs. The guy is a swiss army knife. If we dont want to give him 3m aav then trade him for the highest bidder.