Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[rumman]

We’re going to jog it back instead of a full out run. The DNA change will be Marner with more money. Can’t run as fast now being weighed down.

I’ll be on a Leaf vaction if they tun this shit back again, I might be dumb, but I’m not I’ll pay for seasons tickets once again stupid. I might need therapy, but those people need residency in padded rooms…….

 

[Fogelhund]

I wouldn't mind having him if he was available, but I believe he will stay with the Sens. I think his situation is very similar to Tavares in that he's from around that area and would prefer to stay there.

He's actually not from there. He's from Hearst, Northern Ontario. He did play Junior in Gatineau though.

 

[Americanadian]

Knies is a perfect example of why you don’t trade draft picks like they’re hockey cards

You won’t hit on all of them but you need young guys coming up that can play and on a low cap hit

I’d like to see them trade Laughton at the deadline this year so he doesn’t walk for nothing

Two areas I’d like to see the organization do better

1. Asset management- don’t let players leave for nothing. Build up draft capital and young talented players

2. Build the best pro scouting team possible - make reclamation projects an absolute key part of roster building. Florida is the master at this currently

To be fair Florida didn't really build through the draft. Of all the players on their roster they only drafted Barkov (2OA), Ekblad (1OA), and Lundell (12OA). They also drafted Samoskevich (24OA) but he isn't really a part of them making the cup finals 3 years in a row.

 

[Americanadian]

He's actually not from there. He's from Hearst, Northern Ontario. He did play Junior in Gatineau though.

I had to look it up because I swore going to Ottawa was a homecoming for him and if your born in Hearst I would think you're eligible for the OHL, not QMJHL. It looks like his family moved to Ottawa when he was 14 and that's where they currently reside.

 

[Tony Romo]

the hell were we offering?

 

[rumman]

the hell were we offering?

Fax machine was probably on the fritz again……..

 

[The Shadow]

To be fair Florida didn't really build through the draft. Of all the players on their roster they only drafted Barkov (2OA), Ekblad (1OA), and Lundell (12OA). They also drafted Samoskevich (24OA) but he isn't really a part of them making the cup finals 3 years in a row.

They did build through the draft in a way. First they drafted Huberdeau who they used to get Tkachuk. They used Spencer Knight to get Jones, Heineman for Bennett and on and on

So even though the drafted players may not all be on the roster they used those assets to get the players they want

The issue is the assets were often high drafted players and the leafs having few high draft picks lose some of that chance to build through trades

 

[Trapper]

I’ll be on a Leaf vaction if they tun this shit back again, I might be dumb, but I’m not I’ll pay for seasons tickets once again stupid. I might need therapy, but those people need residency in padded rooms…….

I’m with you 100%.
They run this dog and pony show back again I’ll see you at the next rebuild. Once management and this core has been purged.

 

[SprDaVE]

They did build through the draft in a way. First they drafted Huberdeau who they used to get Tkachuk. They used Spencer Knight to get Jones, Heineman for Bennett and on and on

So even though the drafted players may not all be on the roster they used those assets to get the players they want

The issue is the assets were often high drafted players and the leafs having few high draft picks lose some of that chance to build through trades

The majority of contenders deal draft picks. It's just what you do to try to reach the top. The only true exception is Carolina, but it's not like they have post-season success in recent years either.

The Leafs have used a lot of their picks/prospects to grab players that are/were still here.

It's pretty rare you get to draft a Knies, a lot of times it's a Hirvonen or Korshkov.

 

[Americanadian]

They did build through the draft in a way. First they drafted Huberdeau who they used to get Tkachuk. They used Spencer Knight to get Jones, Heineman for Bennett and on and on

They also traded a 2nd with Heineman for Bennett and they traded a 1st with Knight to get Jones and a 1st with Huberdeau to get Tkachuk.

So even though the drafted players may not all be on the roster they used those assets to get the players they want

The issue is the assets were often high drafted players and the leafs having few high draft picks lose some of that chance to build through trades

Toronto also traded away their drafted players in an attempt to improve - Durzi+Grundstrom for Muzzin, Kadri for Barrie+Kerfoot. Not to mention the 8 drafted players that played games for them this post season. Their #1 issue is pro scouting.

 

[Fogelhund]

the hell were we offering?

Hard to read into things, but it sounds like Ducks made an offer, and we hadn't at that point.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

the hell were we offering?

My God. We couldn't beat that awful offer? I just don't get this whole Kreider situation.

 

[Americanadian]

My God. We couldn't beat that awful offer? I just don't get this whole Kreider situation.

No one believes that he will return to being a 6.5M player again. Anaheim offered the smallest positive value (15 draft spots and a non-NHL prospect) so they could bring some leadership into their dressing room.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

From Dreger this morning:

Colorado and Winnipeg are interested in Toews. Winnipeg said that, if Toews wants in, they'll make it happen.

In summary, I can't see him on the Leafs.

If Colorado are interested, that's a lot of C's on that team. I think that makes Coyle expendable. That's a guy to target, as some of you have said.

 

[Menzinger]

They also traded a 2nd with Heineman for Bennett and they traded a 1st with Knight to get Jones and a 1st with Huberdeau to get Tkachuk.

Toronto also traded away their drafted players in an attempt to improve - Durzi+Grundstrom for Muzzin, Kadri for Barrie+Kerfoot. Not to mention the 8 drafted players that played games for them this post season. Their #1 issue is pro scouting.

I don't disagree with this - though I'd say the Leafs drafting for the first phase of the rebuild was pretty bad, especially considering we had high pick selections for each round for like 3 draft cycles in a row and only really Woll ( show for it (outside of the first round).

2014 was a bit better as well with them getting Dakota Joshua and Engvall I suppose.

The pro scouting has been the worst though, so many misses/flops over the years

 

[Malachi Crunch]

No one believes that he will return to being a 6.5M player again. Anaheim offered the smallest positive value (15 draft spots and a non-NHL prospect) so they could bring some leadership into their dressing room.

You may be right, but I still haven't seen enough evidence that he's in full decline. He had one bad year (many injuries) and still scored 22. He had a great year before that.

 

[ACC1224]

From Dreger this morning:

Colorado and Winnipeg are interested in Toews. Winnipeg said that, if Toews wants in, they'll make it happen.

In summary, I can't see him on the Leafs.

If Colorado are interested, that's a lot of C's on that team. I think that makes Coyle expendable. That's a guy to target, as some of you have said.

Good

 

[Americanadian]

You may be right, but I still haven't seen enough evidence that he's in full decline. He had one bad year (many injuries) and still scored 22. He had a great year before that.

A decline usually starts with one bad year.

If you string together a 2nd bad year all of a sudden the Rangers are paying significant draft capital to move him (Leafs and Marleau).

The Rangers know his medical situation more than any other team.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Looks like Bennett staying in Florida...the Florida special 8x8.

 

[Americanadian]

I don't disagree with this - though I'd say the Leafs drafting for the first phase of the rebuild was pretty bad, especially considering we had high pick selections for each round for like 3 draft cycles in a row and only really Woll (and Dakota Joshua/Eto show for it (outside of the first round.

2014 was a bit better as well with them getting Dakota Joshua and Engvall I suppose.

The pro scouting has been the worst though, so many misses/flops over the years

Of all the drafting misses, the one I can't get over is the Dermott trade. The Leafs had the Konecny pick and they turned it into Dermott and Dzierkals.

If they had Konecny for the entirety of the rebuild it opens them up to be stronger in negotiations because they wouldn't be nearly as concerned about trading one of their 3 1st line RW.

They could have also just taken Aho with the Dermott pick and it wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Gaberd2608]

The biggest thing I am worried about with Toronto in FA is over paying mediocre players to provide nothing much. I'm also very concerned looking at the FA and the available centerman, they going to try to run JT as 2C again..


I would trade 44 for Debrusk and take a run at one of those d-man. Probably Provorov only because Ekblad has some milage on him.

Toronto needs to establish 3 scoring lines. They need more offence from the 3rd line with two way play. I think that 4th line is fine, liked Lorentz, but if they could add someone a bit more physical I'd go in that route.

I think with free agency that is always a gamble. There seems to be a lot of buzz around Marchand and Toronto. To be that just screams Trainwreck waiting to happen. At Marchands age it could end up like Marleau again.

Bennett is another one, kid is a 50 point player having a career playoffs. Is he just a late bloomers and this is his new norm or will he come back to earth. $8-9 million with term for a 50 point wingers at 29 years old can be scary as well.

I agree 3 scoring lines is always ideal. Without Marner and Tavares we have money. So it may be possible.

I wonder if we could sign some secondary guys and get them on show me what you can do contracts.

(Assume Rielly for Debrusk)

Knies. Matthews. Boeser
Drouin. Duchene. Nylander
Debrusk. Giroux. Domi
Perry. Laughton. Tanev
Toews. Pacioretty

Provorov. OEL
McCabe. Tanev
Benoit. Carlo

Stolarz
Woll

Probably good enough for playoffs. Not sure if the vets would be enough to offset zero leadership from the captain for a deep playoff run.

 

[Gaberd2608]

I don't disagree with this - though I'd say the Leafs drafting for the first phase of the rebuild was pretty bad, especially considering we had high pick selections for each round for like 3 draft cycles in a row and only really Woll (and Dakota Joshua/Eto show for it (outside of the first round.

2014 was a bit better as well with them getting Dakota Joshua and Engvall I suppose.

The pro scouting has been the worst though, so many misses/flops over the years

It's actually crazy given the amount of money they pay for these scouts. Almost every year they try to be cute and go off the board.

I still remember when we moved back for Dermott and McKegg or someone instead of taking Koneckny. Such a stupid move. They would be better off using chatgpt at this point lol.

 

[The Shadow]

I think with free agency that is always a gamble. There seems to be a lot of buzz around Marchand and Toronto. To be that just screams Trainwreck waiting to happen. At Marchands age it could end up like Marleau again.

Bennett is another one, kid is a 50 point player having a career playoffs. Is he just a late bloomers and this is his new norm or will he come back to earth. $8-9 million with term for a 50 point wingers at 29 years old can be scary as well.

I agree 3 scoring lines is always ideal. Without Marner and Tavares we have money. So it may be possible.

I wonder if we could sign some secondary guys and get them on show me what you can do contracts.

(Assume Rielly for Debrusk)

Knies. Matthews. Boeser
Drouin. Duchene. Nylander
Debrusk. Giroux. Domi
Perry. Laughton. Tanev
Toews. Pacioretty

Provorov. OEL
McCabe. Tanev
Benoit. Carlo

Stolarz
Woll

Probably good enough for playoffs. Not sure if the vets would be enough to offset zero leadership from the captain for a deep playoff run.

Debrusk has a no move clause so you’re not assuming anything relating to him

That second line is a playoff disaster

 

[Americanadian]

If the Leafs can move Florida's 2nd this year for their 2nd next year they can send out an offer sheet up to 4.68M.

There are two names that are being discussed in this range (McBain and Hofer). I do think Utah would match a McBain offer sheet and I don't think Hofer makes sense for Toronto.

Two names that would make sense for Toronto, given their lack of RS forwards: Samoskevich and Evangelista.

If Florida retains 2/3 of Marchand, Ekblad and Bennett they will likely not have the money to match an OS for Samoskevich. He could be a great bet at RW, fast, hits a ton, decent analytics, decent scoring rate. If the Leafs can get him for 3 years at 4.68M I think that would be a decent bet for a 2nd.

Evangelista is tricky. Nashville will definitely have the cap space to retain him at 4.68M but the question is will they? He saw a drop off in goals in his sophomore season and it was not due to a drop off in linemates. He isn't fast, nor does he hit a lot. He still has a ton of upside but is he the type of player the Leafs are looking for?

 

[The Shadow]

Bennett probably staying in Florida

8x8 based on latest reports