Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[pspot]

Seems like more of spit balling for most of these names, moving 44 and gaining an extra 7.5m would be quite beneficial though.

im hearing Detroit and with all their cap space wouldn't need anything back

 

[4thline]

Knies - Matthews - xxx*
Tavares***-Domi*-Nylander
xxx-Laughton**-xxx
Lorentz-Quillan/Holmberg-McMann
Quillan/Holmberg

*Consider flipping depending on who can be signed at what pricepoint.
** Consider moving to LW
*** Consider moving to L3 (either C or LW)

Assuming JT/Knies/Lorentz/ Holmberg at a combined 15-17.5m, there's 13-15.5m to spread as one sees fit between the 3 xxx's.

• Mangiapane has the Tre connection
• Granlund has the swing ability to be Marner lite at 1RW or a potentially good fit at 2C
• Dvorak and Robinson add weight to be a more "Chief" team
• Boeser has the Matthews connection and can play the cycle game with the big boys while adding another shooting thread
• Donato fits the bill, if a bit risky as a flash in the pan type

 

[Skullz]

2 names that appear here are Kampf (duh) and Rielly

Peterka, Karlsson, Andersson lead top 20 Trade Targets for NHL offseason

Chris Kreider, John Gibson, Bowen Byram and more land on the list as the market heats up.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Marco Rossi would be a big price but interesting.

Shipping out Reilly and using some of those assets on getting Andersson would be terrific. But the price would be astronomical I suspect.

Love the Reichel idea. Bet on speed.

What about bringing on Marsh from Nash?

 

[TMLAM34]

I’m not completely against Boeser but aside from a bigger frame, what does he really add? He’s not physical, he’s not good defensively and outside of last season it looks like he’s more of a 25 goal scorer where his “shot” is his biggest weapon?

I’m honestly more so leaning towards trying to acquire Garland instead. Yes he’s small, but he’s not afraid to go to the dirty areas, he also adds speed which should definitely be a priority this off-season and is solid two-way.

Knies - Matthews - Garland

 

[fahad203]

Marco Rossi would be a big price but interesting.

Shipping out Reilly and using some of those assets on getting Andersson would be terrific. But the price would be astronomical I suspect.

Love the Reichel idea. Bet on speed.

What about bringing on Marsh from Nash?

Really not sure why Rossi and Paterka are on those list
No reason why those teams are moving away from those two players. They have not been the problem for either teams

 

[ULF_55]

So how much would these 3 cost?

Mangiapane - Toronto born
C.Brown - Toronto born
Olofsson - Sweden, career 23 goal pace

Strictly middle 6 players.

 

[WTFMAN99]

So how much would these 3 cost?

Mangiapane - Toronto born
C.Brown - Toronto born
Olofsson - Sweden, career 23 goal pace

Strictly middle 6 players.

Last projection I saw on Connor Brown was 2.6M x 2 years and I would pay it.

 

[Fogelhund]

I wonder if Lukas Reichel could be a buy-low option? He's fast, I think, which is what we need. We need some cheap, young reclamation projects.

We do need fast.. but he's only 170lbs, at 6'.... He doesn't really have a pro body.

One hawks fan said.... You can sign him for nothing in a year and a half, or maybe even claim him off Waivers before then. You have to hide and bury him on your 4th line just for him to plausibly exist and provide some 4th line level offense, but he also doesn't PK or do other normal 4th line stuff good.

If the prospect of a winger that is the 12th highest scorer on the 28th highest scoring team excites you, he's there for a 2nd round pick. Once we start getting closer to an actual value, Hawks probably just ride out the contract and hope something comes together.

He isn't big enough to be on the 4th line, doesn't do 4th things, isn't waiver eligible and so far hasn't shown any consistent glimpse of using his talent, or being close to playing higher in the lineup.

He's not even on a league minimum contract. $1.2 million. 22 points isn't terrible for someone with his linemates, and playing time, but he doesn't PK, isn't good defensively, doesn't check, isn't big, isn't strong... he's just kind of a fast, transition guy. Now with the right coaching, you could try and make him strong defensively, PK guy, who provides energy and speed.... But he'd really need to commit to working on his body, which doesn't seem like he's that interested in, at nearly 23.

I get the allure, but I look into him, and don't see a guy who is a, do what it takes to stick guy. Combine his natural talents, speed, with Robertson's work ethic and shot, and you'd really have something there.

I'd love to move Robertson for Krebs... but if that doesn't work, I'd move him for Reichel, despite what I've said about him.

 

[aingefan]

Marco Rossi would be a big price but interesting.

Shipping out Reilly and using some of those assets on getting Andersson would be terrific. But the price would be astronomical I suspect.

Love the Reichel idea. Bet on speed.

What about bringing on Marsh from Nash?

This is the time of year when there may be so many options it’s hard to choose.

Looks like Reichel can fly, which is a good flyer to take.

Just from ideas in our thread that may or may not be feasible:

Potential low cost salary dumps with or without assets: Karlsson, Marchessault, Anderson, Kreider, Marchment.

Robertson ideas: play him with actual offensive talent, flip for Reichel or maybe Krebs.

Top six free agents: Ehlers, Boeser, Tavares, the FLA guys, riskier types like Suter or Donato. Maybe D like Gavrikov, Provorov.

Domi a 1RW? 2 or 3 LW? 3C?

Laughton the 3C, or an enviably deep 4c?

Keep Kampf to anxhor the fourth line?

Reclamation/upside gambles: Mangiapane, Fabbro

Big one year tickets: Kane, Benn.

Group 6’s, Steeves Blumel and Lycksell

Euro gambles like Shabanov

Multitude of FA bottom six fa’s.

Move off from Reilly? Or one of the extra LD.

Incorporate internals like Quillan, Cowan, WillyNeuve.

Move off one of the goalies?

Sooooo many possible permutations….so many that seem viable. it’s impossible to pick just one. I’m really looking forward to it.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

We do need fast.. but he's only 170lbs, at 6'.... He doesn't really have a pro body.

One hawks fan said.... You can sign him for nothing in a year and a half, or maybe even claim him off Waivers before then. You have to hide and bury him on your 4th line just for him to plausibly exist and provide some 4th line level offense, but he also doesn't PK or do other normal 4th line stuff good.

If the prospect of a winger that is the 12th highest scorer on the 28th highest scoring team excites you, he's there for a 2nd round pick. Once we start getting closer to an actual value, Hawks probably just ride out the contract and hope something comes together.

He isn't big enough to be on the 4th line, doesn't do 4th things, isn't waiver eligible and so far hasn't shown any consistent glimpse of using his talent, or being close to playing higher in the lineup.

He's not even on a league minimum contract. $1.2 million. 22 points isn't terrible for someone with his linemates, and playing time, but he doesn't PK, isn't good defensively, doesn't check, isn't big, isn't strong... he's just kind of a fast, transition guy. Now with the right coaching, you could try and make him strong defensively, PK guy, who provides energy and speed.... But he'd really need to commit to working on his body, which doesn't seem like he's that interested in, at nearly 23.

I get the allure, but I look into him, and don't see a guy who is a, do what it takes to stick guy. Combine his natural talents, speed, with Robertson's work ethic and shot, and you'd really have something there.

I'd love to move Robertson for Krebs... but if that doesn't work, I'd move him for Reichel, despite what I've said about him.

I can't argue with this if you've watched him closer than I have (to be honest, I haven't watched him closely). Old scouting reports called him an "unrelenting forechecker and backchecker" and "committed to both ends of the ice". It sound like his game has gone downhill since then. I would hope that a change of scenery would bring back some of his old attributes.

 

[mydnyte]

Boeser isn’t a terrible option, but he isn’t the fastest skater. My personal focus is speed, and size.. hopefully with speed. Faster and tougher to play against. More balanced.

not a top 6 player, but bottom 6 speed Eyssimont wouldnt be a bad add

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[4thline]

I’m not completely against Boeser but aside from a bigger frame, what does he really add? He’s not physical, he’s not good defensively and outside of last season it looks like he’s more of a 25 goal scorer where his “shot” is his biggest weapon?

While true that he's not *particularly* physical and not really a *plus* level guy defensively,
-he's got the size and willingness to get to and be effective around the net, and be effective on the wall
-he's not so bad defensively that his line can't be used power on power if the C is up to the job.

He's got a good shot yes, but I'd see he's evolved into more of an around 2A/1B winger than a pure sniper.

The hope would be that a Knies-Matthews-Boeser line would be more balanced with all three guys being able to win pucks, score from space, get to the net- and that another shooting threat that can play in traffic and pass would open more space than a pure passer that defenders are content to leave to the perimeter

 

[mydnyte]

Faksa is big and can fit a role as a good faceoff 3C or 4C Dvorak could also fit that exact same role

I'd also like to target Appleton he can slide in top/middle 6 with ease

On D, Fabbro would be #1 option ...if we blow the bank, Ekblad, but, I'd rather take the risk that Fabbro continues his upward trajectory
its slim on D though

 

[Fogelhund]

Latest attempt, with either my, or the boards options.

Knies Matthews Ehlers
McMann Karlsson Nylander
Sherwood Tavares E. Kane
Laughton Krebs Anderson

Provorov Carlo
McCabe Tanev
OEL WillyVilly
Benoit.

Options...
1 RW Boeser
2C Granlund
Wingers line 3... Steeves, Cowan, Reichel, Marchment, Crouse, Domi, Robertson, Patches, Bjugstand, Saad, Mantha, Connor Brown, Mangiapane
Wingers line 4 Lorentz, Jeannot, Comtois, Tanev, Bastian, Koepke, Eyssimont
4th line C options - Toews, Quillan, Holmberg, Krebs, Laughton, Haymes, Kampf
D Options Gavrikov, Fabbro

BTW... a trick in using Capwages, when you want to experiment with lineups... you can't delete signings, or reverse trades... but what you can do is put a lot of people on LTIR... so just trade useless Marlies, or draft picks for all the players you want to experiment with, and run people on, and off LTIR. I've got 10 players on LTIR... LOL

Note... I haven't played with Bennett or Ekblad... I just am convinced they stay in Florida.

 

[ULF_55]

While true that he's not *particularly* physical and not really a *plus* level guy defensively,
-he's got the size and willingness to get to and be effective around the net, and be effective on the wall
-he's not so bad defensively that his line can't be used power on power if the C is up to the job.

He's got a good shot yes, but I'd see he's evolved into more of an around 2A/1B winger than a pure sniper.

The hope would be that a Knies-Matthews-Boeser line would be more balanced with all three guys being able to win pucks, score from space, get to the net- and that another shooting threat that can play in traffic and pass would open more space than a pure passer that defenders are content to leave to the perimeter

How high are you willing to go to persuade Boeser to stay in Canada, rather than go home to Minnesota?

Doesn't the team just end up back in the "can't afford to build around the stars" scenario?

Approximately, Wild at $9mm, Leafs at ~$10mm.

Swapping marner's Cap hit for Boeser's Cap hit?

I wonder if the Wild will land Boeser and Nelson?

 

[mydnyte]

Latest attempt, with either my, or the boards options.

Knies Matthews Ehlers
McMann Karlsson Nylander
Sherwood Tavares E. Kane
Laughton Krebs Anderson

Provorov Carlo
McCabe Tanev
OEL WillyVilly
Benoit.

Options...
1 RW Boeser
2C Granlund
Wingers line 3... Steeves, Cowan, Reichel, Marchment, Crouse, Domi, Robertson, Patches, Bjugstand, Saad, Mantha, Connor Brown, Mangiapane
Wingers line 4 Lorentz, Jeannot, Comtois, Tanev, Bastian, Koepke, Eyssimont
4th line C options - Toews, Quillan, Holmberg, Krebs, Laughton, Haymes, Kampf
D Options Gavrikov, Fabbro

BTW... a trick in using Capwages, when you want to experiment with lineups... you can't delete signings, or reverse trades... but what you can do is put a lot of people on LTIR... so just trade useless Marlies, or draft picks for all the players you want to experiment with, and run people on, and off LTIR. I've got 10 players on LTIR... LOL

How are we getting Karlsson, and after this years playoffs, i'm looking to move away from McMann too and definitely dont want him near the top 6.

also looks quite more expensive than we have available

 

[WTFMAN99]

Latest attempt, with either my, or the boards options.

Knies Matthews Ehlers
McMann Karlsson Nylander
Sherwood Tavares E. Kane
Laughton Krebs Anderson

Provorov Carlo
McCabe Tanev
OEL WillyVilly
Benoit.

Options...
1 RW Boeser
2C Granlund
Wingers line 3... Steeves, Cowan, Reichel, Marchment, Crouse, Domi, Robertson, Patches, Bjugstand, Saad, Mantha, Connor Brown, Mangiapane
Wingers line 4 Lorentz, Jeannot, Comtois, Tanev, Bastian, Koepke, Eyssimont
4th line C options - Toews, Quillan, Holmberg, Krebs, Laughton, Haymes, Kampf
D Options Gavrikov, Fabbro

BTW... a trick in using Capwages, when you want to experiment with lineups... you can't delete signings, or reverse trades... but what you can do is put a lot of people on LTIR... so just trade useless Marlies, or draft picks for all the players you want to experiment with, and run people on, and off LTIR. I've got 10 players on LTIR... LOL

Note... I haven't played with Bennett or Ekblad... I just am convinced they stay in Florida.

 

[Fogelhund]

How are we getting Karlsson, and after this years playoffs, i'm looking to move away from McMann too and definitely dont want him near the top 6.

also looks quite more expensive than we have available

The cap works.
Karlsson was for a 8 year signed Marner.

 

[seanlinden]

Latest attempt, with either my, or the boards options.

Knies Matthews Ehlers
McMann Karlsson Nylander
Sherwood Tavares E. Kane
Laughton Krebs Anderson

Provorov Carlo
McCabe Tanev
OEL WillyVilly
Benoit.

Options...
1 RW Boeser
2C Granlund
Wingers line 3... Steeves, Cowan, Reichel, Marchment, Crouse, Domi, Robertson, Patches, Bjugstand, Saad, Mantha, Connor Brown, Mangiapane
Wingers line 4 Lorentz, Jeannot, Comtois, Tanev, Bastian, Koepke, Eyssimont
4th line C options - Toews, Quillan, Holmberg, Krebs, Laughton, Haymes, Kampf
D Options Gavrikov, Fabbro

BTW... a trick in using Capwages, when you want to experiment with lineups... you can't delete signings, or reverse trades... but what you can do is put a lot of people on LTIR... so just trade useless Marlies, or draft picks for all the players you want to experiment with, and run people on, and off LTIR. I've got 10 players on LTIR... LOL

Note... I haven't played with Bennett or Ekblad... I just am convinced they stay in Florida.

Where on earth are you getting the cap space for all this?

Optimistically....

Knies $7m Matthews $13.25m Ehlers $9.5m
McMann $1.35m Karlsson $5.9m Nylander $11.5m
Sherwood $1.5m Tavares $5m E. Kane $5.125m
Laughton $1.5m Krebs $1.45m Anderson $2.75m

Provorov $8m Carlo $3.5m
McCabe $4.5m Tanev $4.5m
OEL $3.5m WillyVilly $1m
Benoit $1.35m

Stolarz / Woll $6.1m

Bring you to $98.3m with a 21 man roster.... and that's being REALLY optimistic on Tavares/Knies money.

 

[Fogelhund]

Where on earth are you getting the cap space for all this?

Optimistically....

Knies $7m Matthews $13.25m Ehlers $9.5m
McMann $1.35m Karlsson $5.9m Nylander $11.5m
Sherwood $1.5m Tavares $5m E. Kane $5.125m
Laughton $1.5m Krebs $1.45m Anderson $2.75m

Provorov $8m Carlo $3.5m
McCabe $4.5m Tanev $4.5m
OEL $3.5m WillyVilly $1m
Benoit $1.35m

Stolarz / Woll $6.1m

Bring you to $98.3m with a 21 man roster.... and that's being REALLY optimistic on Tavares/Knies money.

I've got Anderson, or someone like him at $1.5... signed after a buyout... if it's $2.75 mil, I'm looking elsewhere, there are plenty of options that I've listed. I'm using Capwages, and they do projections, based on production, previous cap % for that age, production, and then prorated for the current Salary Cap. Provorov is $7. Ehlers is $8.1

It's a shame it doesn't copy and paste the same way CapGeed used to, otherwise I'd share, but the numbers actually work. Tavares at $5, Knies at $7.1 Tavares is the only one I put in, they've got him higher.. the rest I just used their numbers. This lineup is at $95.6.. so 100k over... but I'm sure there is a way to get it under... I'm not going to sweat $100k on a projection.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I've got Anderson, or someone like him at $1.5... signed after a buyout... if it's $2.75 mil, I'm looking elsewhere, there are plenty of options that I've listed. I'm using Capwages, and they do projections, based on production, previous cap % for that age, production, and then prorated for the current Salary Cap. Provorov is $7. Ehlers is $8.1

It's a shame it doesn't copy and paste the same way CapGeed used to, otherwise I'd share, but the numbers actually work. Tavares at $5, Knies at $7.1 Tavares is the only one I put in, they've got him higher.. the rest I just used their numbers. This lineup is at $95.6.. so 100k over... but I'm sure there is a way to get it under... I'm not going to sweat $100k on a projection.

You can use deferrals.

Ehlers I believe is 8.1M on a 6 year projection but if they gave him the 7th year, I wonder if it can get down to 7.5M - it all helps.

 

[mydnyte]

The cap works.
Karlsson was for a 8 year signed Marner.

if the Cap works, I'd still be inclined to make some changes ...Ehlers is a good player, but, oft injured, so a bit of a risk.

McMann though, I want gone, or in the bottom 6
would rather spend less and grab Fabbro to inject a slightly younger with more upside defender
I'm higher on some of your 'options' vs the lineup
Jeannot and Eyssimont both for the 4th and would like to see what Appleton comes in at.


slight variations, maybe cheaper, bid D-ifference

Knies Matthews E. Kane
Kuzmenko Karlsson Nylander
Sherwood Tavares Appleton
Laughton Krebs Jeannot/Eyssimont

McCabe Tanev
Lindgren/Miller Fabbro
OEL Carlo
Benoit

Lindgren over Miller if we can afford him (he may be expensive), else trade for Miller's RFA rights

 

[Fogelhund]

if the Cap works, I'd still be inclined to make some changes ...Ehlers is a good player, but, oft injured, so a bit of a risk.

McMann though, I want gone, or in the bottom 6
would rather spend less and grab Fabbro to inject a slightly younger with more upside defender
I'm higher on some of your 'options' vs the lineup
Jeannot and Eyssimont both for the 4th and would like to see what Appleton comes in at.


slight variations, maybe cheaper, bid D-ifference

Knies Matthews E. Kane
Kuzmenko Karlsson Nylander
Sherwood Tavares Appleton
Laughton Krebs Jeannot/Eyssimont

McCabe Tanev
Lindgren/Miller Fabbro
OEL Carlo
Benoit

Lindgren over Miller if we can afford him (he may be expensive), else trade for Miller's RFA rights

We all have our preferences... in the end, it's entertainment, Tre probably isn't scouring our posts for ideas.

 

[mydnyte]

We all have our preferences... in the end, it's entertainment, Tre probably isn't scouring our posts for ideas.

he'd be foolish if he wasnt ...we may have a winner

 

[4thline]

How high are you willing to go to persuade Boeser to stay in Canada, rather than go home to Minnesota?

Doesn't the team just end up back in the "can't afford to build around the stars" scenario?

8-9 Any higher I'd let him go elsewhere. I tend to agree with you on the cap aspect, I was commenting moreso on what a player like him would bring in terms of the line dynamic.