Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Americanadian]

Cap space most likely won't be an issue but I wonder about a Nylander for Byfield+Clarke deal. The team gets younger, much cheaper and the Leafs acquire a PP1 QB.

Byfield+Clarke+5M to spend in UFA for Nylander would be a good pivot for this team and they'd be selling on Nylander at his highest value.

Or a 3-way deal:

To TOR: Peterka, Byfield
To LAK: Nylander
To BUF: Clarke, Woll

 

[ryno23]

The UFA market is pretty thin this year. I resign JT then fill the bottom with 1 year show me deals. The 2026 class is loaded with players and even if some sign still lots to be brought in

 

[ULF_55]

Getting Matthews to waive and go to San Jose/Annaheim would be great.

Celebrini, Will Smith, 2nd. OA ... not all but maybe 2 of them.

Carlsson, McTavish, Mintyukov, 10th. OA ...

Get started on the rebuild while Matthews holds his value.

 

[seanlinden]

A forward group of
Knies Matthews Domi
Kreider Karlsson Nylander
Marchment Tavares Cowan
Lorentz Laughton Tanev

Could work?

Assuming no changes to the blueline, you're probably about $6m over the cap to do that. I'm going to guess, that you're putting yourself on the "Rielly for Kreider" concept that I've seen suggested in this thread.

While yes, that forward lineup is extremely enticing, having a blueline where you best (and really, only capable) puckmover is OEL is a recipe for disaster. If the Leafs trade Rielly, you better bet that they're going to need to spend roughly in the neighborhood of $7m to replace him.

As for Tanev, here's a guy who's made $3.5m the laset 6 years; and despite perhaps being overpaid for all of that time, not overly likely to take a huge step back financially. Spending ~$3m on Tanev to be a 4th liner is quite wasteful, considering our other needs.

Also not sure how we reasonably expect to get Karlsson. He has a lot more value than Marner's negotiating rights.

 

[Leaffan1991]

It's definitely strong with a lot of veterans. Hard to see this lineup being worse than the past season lineup. Seems way too good to be true but certainly what Treliving should attempt at going for, only 1 free agent added. The 3rd line seems a little weird and slow but the other 3 should make up for it. Not sure what happened to McMann but I'd keep him over Marchment, or have both.

I see Robertson going for Marchment and McMann going for either Kreider or Karlsson

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Cap space most likely won't be an issue but I wonder about a Nylander for Byfield+Clarke deal. The team gets younger, much cheaper and the Leafs acquire a PP1 QB.

Byfield+Clarke+5M to spend in UFA for Nylander would be a good pivot for this team and they'd be selling on Nylander at his highest value.

Or a 3-way deal:

To TOR: Peterka, Byfield
To LAK: Nylander
To BUF: Clarke, Woll

As great as Nylander is, No one is trading a Potential 1c for a winger, let alone add a 1D

 

[Americanadian]

As great as Nylander is, No one is trading a Potential 1c for a winger, let alone add a 1D

Byfield is barely a C, let alone a 1C. Clarke is very unlikely to be a 1D.

 

[Menzinger]

I think the team would have an easier time getting Rielly to waive than Willy this offseason.

Vegas seems to be a team to watch this summer for potentially offloading a big contract. Especially if they want to try and upgrade while also extending Eichel for next year. Wonder if the in Leafs could find a way to help them out

 

[hamzarocks]

Cap space most likely won't be an issue but I wonder about a Nylander for Byfield+Clarke deal. The team gets younger, much cheaper and the Leafs acquire a PP1 QB.

Byfield+Clarke+5M to spend in UFA for Nylander would be a good pivot for this team and they'd be selling on Nylander at his highest value.

Or a 3-way deal:

To TOR: Peterka, Byfield
To LAK: Nylander
To BUF: Clarke, Woll

Seems a bit light for the Sabres

I suppose they need to deal Byram first before this move, and then they could have interest in Clarke.

I think they would want Byfield though and want us to take Clarke

 

[MajorLeaf]

Vegas is not going to trade Karlsson for Marner’s rights. It would be surprising to see Vegas consider Marner given their cap constraints and their number one priority is to extend Eichel this off season.

If anything, Vegas will most like try to trade Pietrangelo by some miracle and Hague RFA rights for a young winger in the $4million or below range to fit their cap.

NY Rangers will not take on Rielly for Kreider because they are tight under the cap and have to sign Will Cuylle (he is like Knies) young power forward to an extension. The Rangers need to free up cap space so he doesn’t get offer sheet, so taking back Rielly is a pipe dream.

At this time, don’t see the Leafs trading with either team and more realistic options will have to be reviewed by management.

 

[Dreakmur]

Vegas is not going to trade Karlsson for Marner’s rights. It would be surprising to see Vegas consider Marner given their cap constraints and their number one priority is to extend Eichel this off season.

If anything, Vegas will most like try to trade Pietrangelo by some miracle and Hague RFA rights for a young winger in the $4million or below range to fit their cap.

Karlsson is their most expendable large contract, so I can see him as their most likely cap dump.

Pietrangelo would be shocking. Teams that want to contend generally don’t unload their #1 defensemen.

NY Rangers will not take on Rielly for Kreider because they are tight under the cap and have to sign Will Cuylle (he is like Knies) young power forward to an extension. The Rangers need to free up cap space so he doesn’t get offer sheet, so taking back Rielly is a pipe dream.

Agreed.

At this time, don’t see the Leafs trading with either team and more realistic options will have to be reviewed by management.

Karlsson for just Marner’s rights never made sense. I suggested the Karlsson trade a while back as more of a cap dump for cheap talent kind of deal. McMann or Holmberg could be valuable as cheap players.

 

[rumman]

I think the team would have an easier time getting Rielly to waive than Willy this offseason.

Vegas seems to be a team to watch this summer for potentially offloading a big contract. Especially if they want to try and upgrade while also extending Eichel for next year. Wonder if the in Leafs could find a way to help them out

I don’t know about that, Styles comes across as very obtuse, if the team was a cup contender and the city was a more attractive destination then I don’t get the sense Styles would veto anything that improves his lot in life, but that’s just the feeling I get about him being married to playing in Toronto…….

 

[Americanadian]

I think the team would have an easier time getting Rielly to waive than Willy this offseason.

I would think the guy with the young family would be less likely to waive. Willy has no allegiance to Toronto.

 

[Americanadian]

MJ on Overdrive speculated W. Karlsson for Marner yesterday.

 

[rumman]

MJ on Overdrive speculated W. Karlsson for Marner yesterday.

That would be a great return for Marner, hell I’d be over the moon with Roy and Kolesar……

 

[LeafSteel]

MJ on Overdrive speculated W. Karlsson for Marner yesterday.

If there was a way for Korczak to be added to this, I would be over the moon with this.

 

[MajorLeaf]

Karlsson is their most expendable large contract, so I can see him as their most likely cap dump.

Pietrbngelo would be shocking. Teams that want to contend generally don’t unload their #1 defensemen.

Karlsson for just Marner’s rights never made sense. I suggested the Karlsson trade a while back as more of a cap dump for cheap talent kind of deal. McMann or Holmberg could be valuable as cheap players.

Karlsson is not a camp dump. Go on the main trade boards, there would be lots of teams willing to trade for Karlsson using a 1st round pick as a basis. The Leafs don’t have any 1st round picks, Karlsson is a pipe dream.

Pietrangelo is not shocking, he is 35 on a $8.8 million contract for 2 years and wasn’t as effective last year. Vegas has defence that can slot into his spot. They need a winger that is $4 million or less. Go look on the Vegas boards to see what the team is looking to do this off season.

Eichel is the main target for extension and Vegas doesn’t have the cap room to pay $14+ million for Marner when they have $9.615 million in cap space to sign 5 players + extension for Eichel next year. Just don’t see Vegas going for Marner when they are forced to look for cheaper options elsewhere.

 

[Menzinger]

I would think the guy with the young family would be less likely to waive. Willy has no allegiance to Toronto.

Rielly has been here longer and visibly looks more mentally exhausted during interviews.

Willy's comments lately have all been about how he's very happy to have a long term home for a team after watching his family move around so much when he was a kid.

Obviously hard to read too much into this stuff. NMCs are tricky things

 

[Americanadian]

They currently need cap space for KAM - but will they sign him? I definitely see a world where they move him given the last contract negotiation was reportedly contentious and he followed that up with much worse production.

Friedman confirmed that KAM is being shopped on 32 thoughts today.

This would definitely open up the possibility for a Rielly/Kreider swap.

 

[Americanadian]

Rielly has been here longer and visibly looks more mentally exhausted during interviews.

Willy's comments lately have all been about how he's very happy to have a long term home for a team after watching his family move around so much when he was a kid.

I definitely missed this narrative.

Obviously hard to read too much into this stuff. NMCs are tricky things

We don’t know which players have NMC’s so they can stay on their current team and which players have NMC’s so they can pick exactly where they get moved to. We do know that NMC doesn’t always mean a player isn’t willing to move.

 

[aingefan]

If there’s legs to MTL considering an Anderson buyout, I’d look into taking on the full freight if a second was added.

Then I’d happily add a second to Marners rights to LV for Karlsson.

Both have two years of term and add speed, experience and help stretch the line up.

Knies Matthews
Karlsson Nylander
Tavares* Anderson (pretty predictable resign)
McMann Laughton

Domi can compliment the top or the third line. McMann can complement the secord or third.

This is predicated on rolling four lines, and JT resigning. I’m perfectly fine and confident that Laughton is a perfectly fine 3C, but love that C depth.

 

[Fogelhund]

If there’s legs to MTL considering an Anderson buyout, I’d look into taking on the full freight if a second was added.

Then I’d happily add a second to Marners rights to LV for Karlsson.

Both have two years of term and add speed, experience and help stretch the line up.

Knies Matthews
Karlsson Nylander
Tavares* Anderson (pretty predictable resign)
McMann Laughton

Domi can compliment the top or the third line. McMann can complement the secord or third.

This is predicated on rolling four lines, and JT resigning. I’m perfectly fine and confident that Laughton is a perfectly fine 3C, but love that C depth.

Anderson's full cap hit is $5.25 mil. We just can't afford that. Even at half that, it doesn't provide value.

 

[mapleleafs34]

Is there a world where we RUN IT BACK and sign Bennett?

Knies-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Bennett-Marner
Cowan-Tavares-Nylander
Lorentz-Laughton-Tanev

McCabe-Tanev
OEL-Carlo
Benoit-Myers

Stolarz
Woll

Trade: Rielly, Kampf, Jarnkrok

 

[aingefan]

Anderson's full cap hit is $5.25 mil. We just can't afford that. Even at half that, it doesn't provide value.

I see it as a potential risk, but his physical play and speed complement the roster well enough to make it worth it in my mind if it comes with an asset that helps fill another hole.
I can see him fitting on AM’s line at times, complementing JT. And more importantly being built for the playoff style that the coach employs.

 

[mydnyte]

Running it back would be highly ill advised. I'm happy for you that you uncovered some sort of key to success (not facing a selke candidate in the playoffs) and you think this is a profound point but if we are paying 4 forwards spread across two lines $11+M each, then we should be able to expect them to overcome a goddamn selke finalist. Come on!

Either they don't have it individually, or they don't have it in this particular configuration, at these salaries, on this team together. Either way, I've seen enough. Haven't you?

sometimes you are just not as good or as deep, (no tax states have a huge advantage for depth) as the team you are playing ...that doesnt make your team bad.
If the Panthers didnt exploit the cap (having Tkchuck on IR till playoffs) and acquire Jones/Marchand, they dont beat us, and they already have the no tax advantage (if you dont beleive me, check how many no tax clubs have been in the final 4 or playing for the Cup the past 6-8 seasons)

Panthers beat us because they were deeper and were way over the cap ...if they picked up Carlo and Laughton, and we got Jones and Marchand, I think the end results would have been quite different.

The core gets you there, but, the depth wins series. we were better, just not better than the Panthers.