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Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XV

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Put me in the camp of people just hoping for a small amount of change. I don't want Strome and Zibanejad on the plate at the same time. Too much with their coinciding deals. Maybe find a defensive center if Goodrow is playing wing. Get a vet LD that fits the role, dont overpay. Then go shopping for the bottom 6 help in a month when it's harvest time. Buch is probably a casualty. Seems to be certain.

That's a lot of change. Strome for the LD, Buch for the center need. Sign another Rooney/Blackwell guy. See you in October.
 
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rangers1314 said:
I'm sure this has been answered before, so I apologize.

But is there any path here where JE doesn't miss the majority, if not the entirety, of next season? Assuming whatever procedure is done, say, on August 1.
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any procedure like this will require nerve regeneration. Who knows the timeline and who wants to hear or read he’s still not fully healed at $10 million per? He may never return to the level he played at yet will cost $10 million per with a flat cap.

Honestly, why not just have somebody send a message to Barkov’s agent and tell him we’ll give Barkov $13 million per year on the ice rather than the Eichel $10 million playing like a lesser player or out? You’re going to have to add more dollars to make up what the $10 million dollar player isn’t bringing to the table anyway. Oh, and you keep you players b/c Barkov will be a FA.
 
pld459666 said:
You are thinking about someone else as the Rangers traded up to select him.
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I am not. I know the Rangers traded up. When they did, and selected Schneider at 19, the general consensus was that it was less than a great value. Some people liked, others hated. There were draft analysts out there who had him as a second. Very few had him much higher than the mid teens.

Apparently the Rangers were very high on him, granted.

But he should be in no sense anywhere close to Laf/Fox untouchable.

He provides the whole package. While not on Nils level offensively (still TBD really) he's as good or better defensively and has the size and physicality that Nils lacks.
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I don't know that that's true that he's better than Nils defensively. According to who? Nils is not a traditional "offensive defenseman," - that is a narrative that has been made up somewhere along the line because he's Swedish and can score, so he must be a one-dimensional offensive defenseman. Nils' defense is apparently better than his offense. It's why he's so valuable a prospect.

Schneider is a well-rounded package that brings all elements to his game as well, but I am not convinced Schneider is outright better than Nils at much at all, besides being bigger. He's a grittier, tougher prospect. I am not certain he's better in any respect though.

I personally think Schneider is closer to Robertson than he is Nils. He's better than Robertson, but closer to him than he is to Nils.

And if you are putting Nils at the Fox/LaF level, then it is you that is overrating Nils....by quite a bit.
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No, I am saying, there is Fox/Laf level, then there's probably Kakko/Shesterkin level, then there is Nils/Kravtsov level.

Then there is Schneider level.
 
RGY said:
Youre gona look back in 4-6 years and say wow that really wasnt that bad.

This is not a crippling contract.

Goodrow probably would have taken less term elsewhere but thats because other places have lower state income taxes than NY. The Rangers have that working against them and have to compensate for that. It is what it is. $3.6 AAV is not the end of the world. $3.00 even would have been more ideal but again you have the NY State income tax working against you so you offer more security
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As long as there's zero NMC/NTC in the final 2 years. We can move him with our 2nd round pick in 4 years time to offload the final 2 years at $3.6M AAV but only $2.0M actual yearly salary. Then the only real premium we're paying for his services to build a foundation of grit and jam is $600,000 AAV and a 2nd round pick + 7th round pick. Considering how hard up we are for culture and compete, I can accept that considering how much asset we still have even this draft and how much we're bound to get out of our lotto wins and prospect pool.

This is all barring Drury going ham on the trade market or other UFA signings of course.
 
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I wouldn't be shocked if Blackwell is a TBL by the end of the weekend.

Blackwell for Johnson and picks make alot of sense.
 
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mas0764 said:
I am not. I know the Rangers traded up. When they did, and selected Schneider at 19, the general consensus was that it was less than a great value. Some people liked, others hated. There were draft analysts out there who had him as a second. Very few had him much higher than the mid teens.

Apparently the Rangers were very high on him, granted.

But he should be in no sense anywhere close to Laf/Fox untouchable.



I don't know that that's true that he's better than Nils defensively. According to who? Nils is not a traditional "offensive defenseman," - that is a narrative that has been made up somewhere along the line because he's Swedish and can score, so he must be a one-dimensional offensive defenseman. Nils' defense is apparently better than his offense. It's why he's so valuable a prospect.

Schneider is a well-rounded package that brings all elements to his game as well, but I am not convinced Schneider is outright better than Nils at much at all, besides being bigger. He's a grittier, tougher prospect. I am not certain he's better in any respect though.

I personally think Schneider is closer to Robertson than he is Nils. He's better than Robertson, but closer to him than he is to Nils.



No, I am saying, there is Fox/Laf level, then there's probably Kakko/Shesterkin level, then there is Nils/Kravtsov level.

Then there is Schneider level.
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With Braden's versatility, he's easily, IMHO, on that same tier as Kravtsov and Nils which is part of what makes Nils expendable
 
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Eichel is a risk but if healthy he’s a great player

Buch main piece
Strome , Buffalo can flip
Jones main prospect
Georgiev they need a G
15 Friday
 
Tob said:
As long as there's zero NMC/NTC in the final 2 years. We can move him for a 2nd round pick in 4 years time to offload the final 2 years at $3.6M AAV but only $2.0M actual yearly salary. Then the only real premium we're paying for his services to build a foundation of grit and jam is $600,000 AAV and a 2nd round pick + 7th round pick. Considering how hard up we are for culture and compete, I can accept that considering how much asset we still have even this draft and how much we're bound to get out of our lotto wins and prospect pool.

This is all barring Drury going ham on the trade market or other UFA signings of course.
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If Goodrow is good enough in 4 years that teams would trade a 2nd round pick for him then there would be no reason to trade him.
 
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Not true.
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Yes true.

Thats in the range of where he was ranked by all the reputable services. Bob McKenzie's list had him at 17.
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Define "all reputable services."

But anyway, even using that ranking, that's my point. Schneider was at best ranked in the mid to late teens where he could have been considered appropriately selected at 19. He was not some huge steal. He's like your regular 15th-20th overall pick in terms of talent level.

He is beginning to be a little oversold on this forum I think if we are saying he's equal to Laf/Fox. He's not even really equal to Nils/Kravtsov.

People are beginning to homer out in their evals of Schneider because it's clear the Rangers are very high on the skills Schneider is going to bring, ie, they have publically announced (essentially when they made the Schneider pick and then followed it up with Cuylle in the second) that they need more underskilled grit and toughness. Because the organization has signaled it may stick with Schneider over the more talented Lundkvist, people are getting their ducks in a row.

I'm not saying Schneider is Dylan McIlrath but he doesn't have the top potential like Nils does. If the Rangers value him more then it's because they want someone who can bang, not because they are trying to get the best actual players. They are going for "best fit," more than "best talent."

Which is fair to an extent.

But to say Schneider is in that tier, IMO, is just wrong, he's not.
 
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pld459666 said:
With Braden's versatility, he's easily, IMHO, on that same tier as Kravtsov and Nils which is part of what makes Nils expendable
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While this is besides the original point, which is, that Schneider is not on Laf/Fox tier, I also do not believe he's on the Kravtsov/Nils tier, in fact, I don't even think it's particularly close.
 
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I'm in the minority that would rather see Nils deal over Schneider.

He's just a better fit for the team, and Nils will be fighting for PP time, so we wouldn't be maximizing Nils talent.

He also has more value and a better trade chip.
 
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SA16 said:
If Goodrow is good enough in 4 years that teams would trade a 2nd round pick for him then there would be no reason to trade him.
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sorry i meant trade our 2nd round pick to get rid of him if he falls off a cliff
 
I’m still incredibly interested in moving Strome and signing Nick Bonino. He’s a good 3C and won’t need crazy term.

Also Derek Ryan would be a real good add as a 4th liner
 
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