Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[Machinehead]

Getting a bunch of tough guys got us high for about two weeks and we're already having the "too soft" convo again.

HF.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Getting a bunch of tough guys got us high for about two weeks and we're already having the "too soft" convo again.

HF.

We still have a 2022 1st with Deslauriers name on it

 

[EdJovanovski]

Handsomest player on the team now that Brett Howden has left?

I was just looking at our roster and damn we sure aren’t lookers anymore. I remember we were the most handsome team in the league at one point.

I got to go with a top 3 of Kravtsov, Miller & Panarin. Laffy has potential if he figures out Hank’s tanning secrets.

 

[Tob]

I was just looking at our roster and damn we sure aren’t lookers anymore. I remember we were the most handsome team in the league at one point.

I got to go with a top 3 of Kravtsov, Miller & Panarin. Laffy has potential if he figures out Hank’s tanning secrets.

Gauthier, Kravstov, and I think Trouba has a good thing going on. Strong features.

 

[Richard Banger]

Getting a bunch of tough guys got us high for about two weeks and we're already having the "too soft" convo again.

HF.

Popped in to read some pages with some extra time I got. Accidentally went to the last page and say this post… think I’ll try again later

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I genuinely wonder if I'm watching the same games as some of you. Complaining about Zib being soft. I bet you want Eichel too.

But he doesn't drop the gloves....

 

[tlk]

But he doesn't drop the gloves....

unfortunately no need to drop your helmet to use your brains))

 

[Hockey Gamer]

speaking about lookers... does anyone remember that thread that a Toronto Maple Leaf fan posted on the Trade forum a number of years ago where he theorized that "looks" played a huge factor in the players that the Rangers organization targeted? This wasn't too long after our winter classic HBO era with Torts. He said we were willing to trade off skill in exchange for attractiveness because of the media presence in NY.

 

[Ola]

Handsomest player on the team now that Brett Howden has left?

Ryan Reeves AINEC

 

[RangerBoy]

I had this crazy dream a few hours ago. I was watching TSN and Bob McKenzie said Alexis Lafrenière is an offer sheet candidate to watch. Two years down the road. The Rangers have run out of money and Lafrenière has become a top-line NHL player in the NHL. He wants to be paid like other top NHL players.

Not good.

 

[RangerBoy]

Agents telling Brooks that they heard from Drury that he never had much interest in Eichel to start with.

Shannon is a respected expert and claims that he is “shocked” that there has been so much interest in Eichel to start with. We have been talked about the most basically and that info is supposed to be false.

Has there been much interest in Eichel??

One thing to always consider is if things makes sense. I said from the get go that I doubted Eichel would get moved because I can’t see anyone giving up assets for him and taking him on without retention. And there is zero reason for Buffalo to give him away in a hurry (that NMC is kicking in argument doesn’t fly, Eichel is desperate to get out, if he doesn’t waive for whatever trade partner Buffalo find he isn’t getting out). I don’t think all the rumors even contradict this, Adams can claim that he done everything he could to move Eichel and force JE to report for camp or stay at home without pay. I mean it’s true.

Shannon has been associated with the NHL for over 40 years. He knows everyone. There are too many risks with Eichel.

 

[Cmox]

Handsomest player on the team now that Brett Howden has left?

Does Schneider count?

 

[Ola]

https://nypost.com/2021/08/07/rangers-can-take-lesson-from-adam-pelechs-islanders-deal/

So if COVID-19 outbreaks persist into the autumn, won’t the NHL have to maintain taxi squads for a second year in order to ensure clubs have enough players to play in case of a rash of game-day positive tests?
https://nypost.com/2021/08/07/rangers-can-take-lesson-from-adam-pelechs-islanders-deal/

https://nypost.com/2021/08/07/rangers-can-take-lesson-from-adam-pelechs-islanders-deal/
Rangers can take lesson from Adam Pelech's Islanders deal

In general, it sounds like most teams and the league are preparing for a normal season to start in 9 weeks. Still people are testing positive despite being vaxed. Will traveling back and forth to Canada be allowed without restrictions if you are vaxed? I really hope that nothing interfere with the season, but have a feeling that it could be a bumpy ride once the cold months come in and everyone start to get back to normal during flu season. New reports about new variants will start to flourish and so forth.

 

[duhmetreE]

Handsomest player on the team now that Brett Howden has left?

Shesty

 

[duhmetreE]

I genuinely wonder if I'm watching the same games as some of you. Complaining about Zib being soft. I bet you want Eichel too.

I dont know how much of the issue is concussions, which its absolutely real, and how much is years of AV with Quinn sprinkled on top.

He has just walked away from scrums. I get being smart about it, as one good punch to the head can end his career, but it's undeniably a bad look. He did it to Laf too.

I want 2018- pre-covid Zibs with 2016-2017 playoffs .

 

[Blais to Win]

I dont know how much of the issue is concussions, which its absolutely real, and how much is years of AV with Quinn sprinkled on top.

He has just walked away from scrums....

I know it's painful but watch the Wilson thing again. He's got Dillon in a headlock most of the time, then Dowd. Yeah, he didn't go nuts punching faces but that's not his job.

 

[haohmaru]

Criticizing your number one center for not getting into a stupid brawl in a game that didn’t matter when he’s got a history of concussions is certainly a take.

McDavid is as soft as butter on a hot July day. True story.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Handsomest player on the team now that Brett Howden has left?

Now this is the type of thing we should be debating in this thread.

I vote Lindgren

 

[Kovalev27]

KAndre Miller is the handsomest guy on the team. I mean man amongst boys. I’d like to come back as him in my next life. He’s going to run up a kill list in NYC that we will all be proud of.

 

[Ola]

This is another post along the same line that I’ve made in the past months, but looking at this team and how the market has shaken out, I firmly believe that the best way to proceed is the following.

1. You want this team to play with more speed, fail less at trying to make high percentage plays and to play more physical?

There is a conflict when trying to accomplish this when you have Panarin or Ziba on the ice and not Fox. There is a conflict when trying to accomplish this with Ziba or Panarin on the ice period. There is a conflict trying to accomplish this with 1/2 OA draft picks on the ice — with the heavy expectations to produce pts that comes with that.

Something that instantly would change our out look in this regard is if Panarin and Ziba are played on the same line.

Did Gallant get everyone to “buy in” to his style of hockey and the team’s system in Florida? There was so much talk about that in NY and so much focus out on getting Ziba, Panarin and co to change their style with DQ. Did Gallant manage to get his stats to change their style in Florida? No, he made sure to get what was needed through other means:
Top of the lines: Jagr, Barkov, Huberdeau click for Panthers

"Their puck possession was unbelievable,'' said Panthers coach Gerard Gallant, who played against Jagr for five seasons. "It wasn't their speed was outstanding or anything different, but the biggest thing for me was when they had the puck in the offensive zone they didn't give it away. They made it tough on other teams.”

Going by the metrics, this was the best line in hockey that season. Or at least it was at the time of the article. You get into the biggest trouble when you try to be fancy and can’t execute. We can’t have three lines that try’s to be super fancy. It’s too easy for the opponents to just wait for us to crap the bed and take advantage of it. Two lines? Probably not. But with Ziba and Panarin on different lines, Kakko and Laf on one of those lines each, I am not sold on that it can work either. I see Laf trying to be fancy with Panarin and Kakko trying to be fancy with Ziba, or the other way around, while these guys just being there yet. Too many mistakes. Too many pts given away. Pressure mounts.

Create a line with:
Panarin-Ziba-Laf

Get that line to focus on the right things, for that line. Don’t give the puck away in the wrong areas. Make it hard for the other team.

2. Behind that line zero focus should be put on which line is the “2nd” and “3rd” line.

Instead focus on creating (a) a line that can take the toughest match-ups and get by and (b) a line that can compete and do well against any non-top line in the NHL. This is what made Tampa the best team in hockey. Point-Kuch’s line, Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman that could go heads up with all top lines in the East and Cirelli’s line that was as good as any non-top line in hockey.

I think we have all the necessary players to make this happen, but one. I will get back to that.

Let’s start with what most would call the 3rd line. I love the potential of this line:
Kreider-Chytil-Kravy

So much speed, they are strong on the puck. Kreider’s experience and knowledge of what works in this league would be valuable. And what especially makes them a good fit from my perspective, all three are fairly lowmaintenance. None of them must get the pucks in certain areas of the ice to be successful. Non got any significant flaws in certain areas of their game.

Honestly, at least later in the year, this could be a line that could be hard to face for all non-top lines in hockey.

3. This obviously leaves the following 3 for the line that is supposed to be able to match-up against the best lines around us, do what Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman did. I mean in a pretty convincingly theory, if we can mirror that line we should be close to being a contender over night. We got the top line and we got the line that can do well against most non-top lines.

Goodrow-Strome-Kakko

So could that line do what Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman did? I think it’s easy to completely misunderstand that line. Why was it good? You see it was deadly to lose the pucks in the below areas of the ice, because Gourde is probably top 15 in the world in turning the play super fast from it:

And when that line didn’t have the puck nor pressure on it, they trapped hard which supported their D well, and their D was good in winning the puck in that red area. As a result you had to be careful when playing that line. Play with marginals. It brought the tempo down, they were still a threat on the forecheck, and when they could they did a darn good job on the forecheck. But the later — which I think many associate with this line, was in fact not the only reason for it success. It’s extremely hard to counter the best lines in the east and many lines can forecheck well.

Can a line of Goodrow-Strome-Kakko do what Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman did? It’s here I think we are missing a piece. Strome cannot even remotely provide the same support for his wingers as Gourde could. I think Kakko is an excellent alternative to Coleman. Of course less gritty, but great at trapping, good on the forecheck. Strong on the puck. He would be an threat of his own. He is so good when attacking just after winning the puck after trapping.

But Strome isn’t good at getting back fast. Strome isn’t good at turning the play fast skating the puck up ice.

4. This is my missing piece for sure. A center that could provide what Gourde provided for Tampa. Be it Gourde himself. There are many others that fit the bill. Jean-Gabriel Pageau, Dandenault. TyJo? Nah, not quite, but better fit than Strome.

It’s funny, when you just list smaller centers by ice time m, 20% have been acquired by the same GM. And TyJo who incorrectly is listed is a winger would make it 25%.

There are others. You don’t have to be small, but it’s basically impossible for anyone to turn up ice and be the same water bug type as Gourde if you are 6’2+. Many smaller guys aren’t quick enough either, goes without saying.

 

[duhmetreE]

KAndre Miller is the handsomest guy on the team. I mean man amongst boys. I’d like to come back as him in my next life. He’s going to run up a kill list in NYC that we will all be proud of.

dont know how I forgot about him

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

This is another post along the same line that I’ve made in the past months, but looking at this team and how the market has shaken out, I firmly believe that the best way to proceed is the following.

1. You want this team to play with more speed, fail less at trying to make high percentage plays and to play more physical?

There is a conflict when trying to accomplish this when you have Panarin or Ziba on the ice and not Fox. There is a conflict when trying to accomplish this with Ziba or Panarin on the ice period. There is a conflict trying to accomplish this with 1/2 OA draft picks on the ice — with the heavy expectations to produce pts that comes with that.

Something that instantly would change our out look in this regard is if Panarin and Ziba are played on the same line.

Did Gallant get everyone to “buy in” to his style of hockey and the team’s system in Florida? There was so much talk about that in NY and so much focus out on getting Ziba, Panarin and co to change their style with DQ. Did Gallant manage to get his stats to change their style in Florida? No, he made sure to get what was needed through other means:
Top of the lines: Jagr, Barkov, Huberdeau click for Panthers


Going by the metrics, this was the best line in hockey that season. Or at least it was at the time of the article. You get into the biggest trouble when you try to be fancy and can’t execute. We can’t have three lines that try’s to be super fancy. It’s too easy for the opponents to just wait for us to crap the bed and take advantage of it. Two lines? Probably not. But with Ziba and Panarin on different lines, Kakko and Laf on one of those lines each, I am not sold on that it can work either. I see Laf trying to be fancy with Panarin and Kakko trying to be fancy with Ziba, or the other way around, while these guys just being there yet. Too many mistakes. Too many pts given away. Pressure mounts.

Create a line with:
Panarin-Ziba-Laf

Get that line to focus on the right things, for that line. Don’t give the puck away in the wrong areas. Make it hard for the other team.

2. Behind that line zero focus should be put on which line is the “2nd” and “3rd” line.

Instead focus on creating (a) a line that can take the toughest match-ups and get by and (b) a line that can compete and do well against any non-top line in the NHL. This is what made Tampa the best team in hockey. Point-Kuch’s line, Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman that could go heads up with all top lines in the East and Cirelli’s line that was as good as any non-top line in hockey.

I think we have all the necessary players to make this happen, but one. I will get back to that.

Let’s start with what most would call the 3rd line. I love the potential of this line:
Kreider-Chytil-Kravy

So much speed, they are strong on the puck. Kreider’s experience and knowledge of what works in this league would be valuable. And what especially makes them a good fit from my perspective, all three are fairly lowmaintenance. None of them must get the pucks in certain areas of the ice to be successful. Non got any significant flaws in certain areas of their game.

Honestly, at least later in the year, this could be a line that could be hard to face for all non-top lines in hockey.

3. This obviously leaves the following 3 for the line that is supposed to be able to match-up against the best lines around us, do what Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman did. I mean in a pretty convincingly theory, if we can mirror that line we should be close to being a contender over night. We got the top line and we got the line that can do well against most non-top lines.

Goodrow-Strome-Kakko

So could that line do what Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman did? I think it’s easy to completely misunderstand that line. Why was it good? You see it was deadly to lose the pucks in the below areas of the ice, because Gourde is probably top 15 in the world in turning the play super fast from it:
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And when that line didn’t have the puck nor pressure on it, they trapped hard which supported their D well, and their D was good in winning the puck in that red area. As a result you had to be careful when playing that line. Play with marginals. It brought the tempo down, they were still a threat on the forecheck, and when they could they did a darn good job on the forecheck. But the later — which I think many associate with this line, was in fact not the only reason for it success. It’s extremely hard to counter the best lines in the east and many lines can forecheck well.

Can a line of Goodrow-Strome-Kakko do what Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman did? It’s here I think we are missing a piece. Strome cannot even remotely provide the same support for his wingers as Gourde could. I think Kakko is an excellent alternative to Coleman. Of course less gritty, but great at trapping, good on the forecheck. Strong on the puck. He would be an threat of his own. He is so good when attacking just after winning the puck after trapping.

But Strome isn’t good at getting back fast. Strome isn’t good at turning the play fast skating the puck up ice.

4. This is my missing piece for sure. A center that could provide what Gourde provided for Tampa. Be it Gourde himself. There are many others that fit the bill. Jean-Gabriel Pageau, Dandenault. TyJo? Nah, not quite, but better fit than Strome.

It’s funny, when you just list smaller centers by ice time m, 20% have been acquired by the same GM. And TyJo who incorrectly is listed is a winger would make it 25%.
View attachment 460107

There are others. You don’t have to be small, but it’s basically impossible for anyone to turn up ice and be the same water bug type as Gourde if you are 6’2+. Many smaller guys aren’t quick enough either, goes without saying.

Does Ahab catch the whale?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Isn’t it equally likely that John Shannon is doing Sather and the Rangers a solid by downplaying Eichel’s interest among teams publicly to drive down the price for the Rangers?

Just throwing it out there

 

[egelband]

Does Schneider count?

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think Laf, Kakko and Chytil will be taking steps up too. Especially Lafreniere. I think he will break out

i’m excited and thrilled the team is almost back again. Just hoping this Covid surge drops by late Sept b/c that could be a damper on everything.