Value of: ROR & Tarasenko

[Reality Czech]

not with binnington they're not.

Yeah everyone knows you could never win a Cup with Binnington in net, sheesh.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Yeah everyone knows you could never win a Cup with Binnington in net, sheesh.

maybe they could get matt murray instead.

 

[yurnxt]

I don’t know this person named “everyone”. If you’re assuming that I am somehow panicking you’re making the wrong assumption. I’m not responsible for the Blues success or lack there of.

This is the trade forum with mostly “what if” scenarios.

Why wasn't your "What if scenario" posted here when they started the year 3-0 then?

Probably coincidence.

IF the Blues are somehow bottom feeders this year, they may try to trade Tank but O'Reilly stays. I'm guessing Tank isn't a Blue and ROR is a Blue next year regardless of what happens this season, successful season or miss the playoffs.

 

[Spektre]

Why wasn't your "What if scenario" posted here when they started the year 3-0 then?

Probably coincidence.

IF the Blues are somehow bottom feeders this year, they may try to trade Tank but O'Reilly stays. I'm guessing Tank isn't a Blue and ROR is a Blue next year regardless of what happens this season, successful season or miss the playoffs.

Maybe you will want to check my post history. You’ll see where I said I wasn’t optimistic for this season and I was trying to be objective. Of course the same Blues fans who are gold medal winners at assuming things said remarks like “it must suck to be so negative all the time”.

But like you said, me being objective is probably just a coincidence right??

Blues losing 5-1 at home vs LA… probably another coincidence

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Dont worry St louis fans! I, a leafs fan, will settle this civil war and unite you once more.

Holl, Muzzin and a second for Parayko.

You're welcome.

 

[H3ckt1k]

Dont worry St louis fans! I, a leafs fan, will settle this civil war and unite you once more.

Holl, Muzzin and a second for Parayko.

You're welcome.

Thank you for your service.

 

[yurnxt]

Maybe you will want to check my post history. You’ll see where I said I wasn’t optimistic for this season and I was trying to be objective. Of course the same Blues fans who are gold medal winners at assuming things said remarks like “it must suck to be so negative all the time”.

But like you said, me being objective is probably just a coincidence right??

Blues losing 5-1 at home vs LA… probably another coincidence

I couldn't care less what you said about the Blues before the season began or for that matter, that the Blues lost a random regular season game Vs the Kings. This season is what...10% through, if that? Now you are attempting to use the Blues rough start to the season to confirm your prediction that you evidently made before the season began about the Blues being subpar this season and as justification for the Blues potentially blowing up their roster by trading 2 of their best players only after the rough start you wanted them to have happened but shockingly, not when they were undefeated. That would be like me knowing you made a prediction that the Blues were going to suck this season and me bragging to you how wrong you were after their 3-0 start. Terrible.

The point is that the Blues could very well end up having a bad season but it's far too early to make that determination, far too early to seriously discuss blowing up the roster and certainly far too early to claim your prediction was ultimately accurate. Let's see how things go the next couple of months so we can go off of a sample size larger than 8 whole games before posting trade proposals involving players that are less likely to be traded at this stage of the season than me winning the lottery.

 

[BlueTacos]

Lol lu

If you're Calgary trading for Tarasenko, the goal is to improve the team, not add a winger at the expense of a Dman

Lucic + picks/prospects seems more in line with that objective

Lol lucic nobody is taking lucic

 

[BLNY]

Trade deadline is 4 months from now. A lot can, and will, happen.

 

[Neutrinos]

Lol lu

Lol lucic nobody is taking lucic

Lucic is being paid just 1 million in actual dollars this season

Any team that is a seller at the deadline and wants to move a high-priced player knows they'll be taking back Lucic in a trade with Calgary

 

[Connor McConnor]

Considering how trash the Central division is, I doubt they'd be out of the running until the last week of the season.

 

[Spektre]

I couldn't care less what you said about the Blues before the season began or for that matter, that the Blues lost a random regular season game Vs the Kings. This season is what...10% through, if that? Now you are attempting to use the Blues rough start to the season to confirm your prediction that you evidently made before the season began about the Blues being subpar this season and as justification for the Blues potentially blowing up their roster by trading 2 of their best players only after the rough start you wanted them to have happened but shockingly, not when they were undefeated. That would be like me knowing you made a prediction that the Blues were going to suck this season and me bragging to you how wrong you were after their 3-0 start. Terrible.

The point is that the Blues could very well end up having a bad season but it's far too early to make that determination, far too early to seriously discuss blowing up the roster and certainly far too early to claim your prediction was ultimately accurate. Let's see how things go the next couple of months so we can go off of a sample size larger than 8 whole games before posting trade proposals involving players that are less likely to be traded at this stage of the season than me winning the lottery.

You can obviously type a lot but you can’t read worth a flying f***.

Go back & read my 1st post in this thread. Then read it again. Then go back and read it again. When you can figure out that I said "if the Blues are out of a playoff picture at the TDL" come back and post another paragraph telling me how much you finally figured it all out. My post isn't about trading anyone right now or after 8 games as once again you assume.

Holy donkey balls.......

 

[Thechozen1]

Highly unlikely the Blues are out of it by the trade deadline. If they were. I’d approve of either O’Reilly or Tarasenko to the Lightning as a pure rental.

 

[yurnxt]

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[yurnxt]

You can obviously type a lot but you can’t read worth a flying f***.

Go back & read my 1st post in this thread. Then read it again. Then go back and read it again. When you can figure out that I said "if the Blues are out of a playoff picture at the TDL" come back and post another paragraph telling me how much you finally figured it all out. My post isn't about trading anyone right now or after 8 games as once again you assume.

Holy donkey balls.......

I apologize for the confusion sorry about that. I'm saying it's too early in the season to seriously discuss moving either of those players and or blowing up the team and most Blues fans posting in this topic agree. I did answer your OP in this thread about both players though in case you didn't notice. Of course, you are free to discuss moving both RoR & Tank regardless but it makes a lot more sense to discuss that when/if it's an actually possible that either player gets moved because we find out the Blues do actually suck this season, the Blues are actually sellers, we actually have lay of the land for the Blues/rest of the league in terms of buyer, sellers, asset availability among teams and the TDL is much closer than it is currently.

My points from my last post that you still haven't addressed are that It is far too early to claim/imply that your pre-season prediction about the Blues having a bad year this season is actually accurate and it's silly to point to a single loss to the Kings as further evidence to confirm that your prediction is actually accurate. While the Blues may be horrible this year, it's too early to say that with certainty.

 

[Reality Czech]

Considering how trash the Central division is, I doubt they'd be out of the running until the last week of the season.

Well, the Pacific can't be the worst division in hockey every year. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up the worst division again with Seattle, Vancouver, Anaheim and San Jose.

 

[saintunspecified]

If NYI are in good position, I think they'd be extremely interested in Tarasenko. He fits NYI's needs and play style. I would think NYI making that move would mean they are going all in on this year, because one imagines it would cost them Wahlstrom in return.

 

[kthx]

I've seen this before and I'm terrified of another Blues run.

 

[ShameOnYouZidlicky]

Would NYR be interested in Tarasenko? If they pick up a weapon for the top 6 and a veteran bottom pairing D man at the deadline, they'd be hard to pick against in the playoffs

 

[blankall]

Lucic is being paid just 1 million in actual dollars this season

Any team that is a seller at the deadline and wants to move a high-priced player knows they'll be taking back Lucic in a trade with Calgary

May not be necessary. Cap space is pro rated. Calgary went into the season with $1.5 million in cap space. That translates into over $6 million in deadline cap space, plus Calgary will have some more space from the IR.

 

[Stickpucker]

Uhh...aren't STL Stanley Cup contenders?

Why are they selling off some of their most important forwrads?

 

[The Note]

Uhh...aren't STL Stanley Cup contenders?

Depends on who you ask. "Contenders" in the sense that before the season you could reasonably make an argument they were the 3rd/4th best team in what looked like a weak West? Sure. Contenders in the sense that they actually had the pieces to go all the way? Well, your mileage may vary on that one. Tarasenko and ROR are both UFAs and the team is already saddled with a huge amount of money going to veterans. They look outright awful currently, riding a 6 game losing streak that's barreling towards 7 given their next game is on the road against the Bruins. It's early, yes, but you can only bake-in so many 5+ game pointless streaks (which is very difficult to do in today's in NHL!) while looking largely non-competitive. I still think we are a while away from Armstrong punting on the season, but it may be the right call sooner rather than later.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

ROR to Vegas, somehow

 

[blinkman360]

If NYI are in good position, I think they'd be extremely interested in Tarasenko. He fits NYI's needs and play style. I would think NYI making that move would mean they are going all in on this year, because one imagines it would cost them Wahlstrom in return.

At the end of the day it’s gotta be Tank or Kane. If either of those guys hit the market the Isles should be all over it.

..and yeah I’m guessing Wahlstrom and the ‘23 1st would be the core going back for either of those guys.

 

[Figgy44]

If you're Calgary trading for Tarasenko, the goal is to improve the team, not add a winger at the expense of a Dman

Lucic + picks/prospects seems more in line with that objective

I don't think we need to move Lucic to fit Tank if he's retained 50%. Flames are sitting on 1.3 mil in cap space and it's accruing. This isn't including Kylington on LTIR for a personal reason (2.5 mil). Flames and Blues could theoretically consummate a deal with pure prospects and picks.