Proposal: RNH For Your 3C and Spare RHD

[PatrikOverAuston]

Yes, this territory is well-trodden by now, but while Nugent-Hopkins looks as though he could still score 40 points while playing excellent two-way hockey on the third line, he both costs too much and has too high of a ceiling to force him into such a role this early in his career.

I'm not expecting a Weber or Karlsson back, obviously, but a "real" 3C who posts 30ish points a year and can win draws is worth the downgrade if it means Edmonton can also pick up a decent right-handed defender in the same deal.

Potential fits (add as needed):

-WPG for Trouba and any spare C (Lowry?)
-MIN for Dumba and a C (Perennial MVP Erik Haula?)
-STL for Shattenkirk (I know, I know, hates Canada/dog-sledding to the rink) and Lehtera?

Is there a team I'm not thinking of? Keep in mind Edmonton could also stand to absorb salary in any trade, and that secondary picks/prospects are more available than at any time before as the team strives to become a contender.

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[GoldiFox]

I'd probably go as high as Brett Pesce (expansion exempt, big, mobile 2nd pairing RD) + Teravainen.

 

[Meichel Kane]

Those names were not what I was thinking when I read "spare RHD."

 

[voxel]

Maybe after expansion (something like Brodin and Zucker). Team is gelling now and the only real weak link is bottom RHD and that can be filled much more easily.

 

[mpp9]

You need a PMD. Focus on that. Typical 3Cs aren't that hard to find.

 

[Disappearing Semin]

Those names were not what I was thinking when I read "spare RHD."

Me neither.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

I'd probably go as high as Brett Pesce (expansion exempt, big, mobile 2nd pairing RD) + Teravainen.

That's a fair deal I think. Bonus that TT is a Finn who can help Puljujarvi acclimate a little better to North America. Keeps Edmonton's costs down while still returning promising young talent. Good proposal.

Those names were not what I was thinking when I read "spare RHD."

Spare within the context of their respective teams; you're more inclined to see Shattenkirk as a luxury when you have Pietrangelo and Parayko, for example- even more so when you consider their respective contracts. Minnesota could very well lose a D to expansion so any value they derive out of one of them now would be gravy, etc. It all depends on what you need and what you can afford to part with.

 

[Stealth JD]

Patrik Berglund and Jordan Schmaltz

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Patrik Berglund and Jordan Schmaltz

Rather Lehtera owing to contract length, and isn't Berglund Yak's babysitter right now anyway?

Blues could roll RNH-Stastny-Berglund down the middle. Any combination of Tarasenko, Schwartz, Steen, Fabbri, Yakupov and Perron with that group would be deadly.

Lehtera and Shattenkirk is still preferable even with the risk of Shatty cutting and running, but Lehtera and Schmaltz as a long-term package isn't bad. Just wish Schmaltz had some NHL experience.

 

[Dbrownss]

Rather Lehtera owing to contract length, and isn't Berglund Yak's babysitter right now anyway?

Blues could roll RNH-Stastny-Berglund down the middle. Any combination of Tarasenko, Schwartz, Steen, Fabbri, Yakupov and Perron with that group would be deadly.

Lehtera and Shattenkirk is still preferable even with the risk of Shatty cutting and running, but Lehtera and Schmaltz as a long-term package isn't bad. Just wish Schmaltz had some NHL experience.

I would be very intrigued at this. It would have to be Shattenkirk as the Blues cant take on more salary. We could add Vanelli too. He's not to promising but still has top 4 offensive skills.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Cizikas + Boychuk

Value is terribad for Edmonton, but Chia has shown he's willing to get ripped off trading star FWDs for D as well as get ripped off by Snow.

In reality the best NYI could do is likely Nelson (if you think he's capable of playing C, I personally don't like him there) + Boychuk.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So Trouba and Brodin are considered spare RHD Okay.

 

[snipes]

Yes, this territory is well-trodden by now, but while Nugent-Hopkins looks as though he could still score 40 points while playing excellent two-way hockey on the third line, he both costs too much and has too high of a ceiling to force him into such a role this early in his career.

I'm not expecting a Weber or Karlsson back, obviously, but a "real" 3C who posts 30ish points a year and can win draws is worth the downgrade if it means Edmonton can also pick up a decent right-handed defender in the same deal.

Potential fits (add as needed):

-WPG for Trouba and any spare C (Lowry?)
-MIN for Dumba and a C (Perennial MVP Erik Haula?)
-STL for Shattenkirk (I know, I know, hates Canada/dog-sledding to the rink) and Lehtera?

Is there a team I'm not thinking of? Keep in mind Edmonton could also stand to absorb salary in any trade, and that secondary picks/prospects are more available than at any time before as the team strives to become a contender.

RNH for Trouba? Trouba has ridiculous contract demands and an insufferable agent. Plus rumblings are he doesn't want to be in Canada.

RNH for Dumba? Puke.

RNH for Shatty? Been over this, he doesn't want to play in western Canada.

 

[Rebuilt]

Yes, this territory is well-trodden by now, but while Nugent-Hopkins looks as though he could still score 40 points while playing excellent two-way hockey on the third line, he both costs too much and has too high of a ceiling to force him into such a role this early in his career.

I'm not expecting a Weber or Karlsson back, obviously, but a "real" 3C who posts 30ish points a year and can win draws is worth the downgrade if it means Edmonton can also pick up a decent right-handed defender in the same deal.

Potential fits (add as needed):

-WPG for Trouba and any spare C (Lowry?)
-MIN for Dumba and a C (Perennial MVP Erik Haula?)
-STL for Shattenkirk (I know, I know, hates Canada/dog-sledding to the rink) and Lehtera?

Is there a team I'm not thinking of? Keep in mind Edmonton could also stand to absorb salary in any trade, and that secondary picks/prospects are more available than at any time before as the team strives to become a contender.

No to trading RNH but congratulations on opening the door to more Oiler player value BASHING.

 

[JarvisFunk]

The reason McDavid and Draisaitl can thrive is because Nugent-Hopkins is doing the dirty work, defending top competition and doing all the things we need from a defensive center. He doesnt even need to score right now, If we lose him, we will be in trouble.

 

[snipes]

No to trading RNH but congratulations on opening the door to more Oiler player value BASHING.

I actually think Nuge has more respect around the league than he used to. Many fans who actually watched him play at the World Cup were very positive about his play and responsible two-way game.

It's moot anyways, Chia and McLellan are very high on Nuge. He's not going anywhere, he's a centre not a winger as well.

 

[Seachd]

Nugent-Hopkins is not someone the Oilers should be trading.

 

[HockeyThoughts]

Did you miss the most recent postseason, where the Pittsburgh Penguins on the back of their 3-lined attack and team speed dismantled their competition?

Having a center trio of McDavid (19), Draisaitl (20), and RNH (23) is incredibly blessed and should be considered the team's cornerstones to build around - not trading chips to work with.

The Edmonton Oilers currently have Adam Larsson (23), Oscar Klefbom (23), Darnell Nurse (21), Brandon Davidson (25) and Griffin Reinhart (22) as a rock solid young defensive group to work around. Factor in proven top 4 veterans like Andrej Sekera and Kris Russell and the defense is actually shaping up just fine.

Just be patient. You've already traded away two players who were expected to lead this team into the future. Give the team some time to mesh and I have no doubt they will be better defensively than any Oiler's squad in the past 5+ years. At least they certainly finally have the talent to make me believe so.

 

[KBobs]

I actually think Nuge has more respect around the league than he used to. Many fans who actually watched him play at the World Cup were very positive about his play and responsible two-way game.

It's moot anyways, Chia and McLellan are very high on Nuge. He's not going anywhere, he's a centre not a winger as well.

I wouldn't go that far. It's been widely reported that RNH has been on the tradeblock ever since Chia took over. Even after the Hall trade, Rishaug went on saying that RNH could still be traded for the right return. And I believe fans tempering their expectations on him has increased his respect, as you claim. He doesn't underpeform anymore from a fan perspective, because that's not who he is as a player.

 

[snipes]

I wouldn't go that far. It's been widely reported that RNH has been on the tradeblock ever since Chia took over. Even after the Hall trade, Rishaug went on saying that RNH could still be traded for the right return. And I believe fans tempering their expectations on him, has increased his respect, as you claim. He doesn't underpeform anymore from a fan perspective, because that's not who he is as a player.

I guess he's been noticed more for how good he is.

Anyways, with Yakupov and Hall gone that ship has sailed. Nuge isn't going anywhere.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Did you miss the most recent postseason, where the Pittsburgh Penguins on the back of their 3-lined attack and team speed dismantled their competition?

Having a center trio of McDavid (19), Draisaitl (20), and RNH (23) is incredibly blessed and should be considered the team's cornerstones to build around - not trading chips to work with.

The Edmonton Oilers currently have Adam Larsson (23), Oscar Klefbom (23), Darnell Nurse (21), Brandon Davidson (25) and Griffin Reinhart (22) as a rock solid young defensive group to work around. Factor in proven top 4 veterans like Andrej Sekera and Kris Russell and the defense is actually shaping up just fine.

Just be patient. You've already traded away two players who were expected to lead this team into the future. Give the team some time to mesh and I have no doubt they will be better defensively than any Oiler's squad in the past 5+ years. At least they certainly finally have the talent to make me believe so.

I agree with you about keeping the C's, but that D group is hardly "rock solid"

You likely end up with that group equaling 2D, 2D, 4D, 4D, 6D IMO

 

[Blitzago*]

I wouldn't go that far. It's been widely reported that RNH has been on the tradeblock ever since Chia took over. Even after the Hall trade, Rishaug went on saying that RNH could still be traded for the right return. And I believe fans tempering their expectations on him has increased his respect, as you claim. He doesn't underpeform anymore from a fan perspective, because that's not who he is as a player.

It would have to be a young top4 offensive RD with the abliity to QB a powerplay, locked in long term or having plenty of years of control left.

Who fit's that mould?

 

[Blitzago*]

I agree with you about keeping the C's, but that D group is hardly "rock solid"

You likely end up with that group equaling 2D, 2D, 4D, 4D, 6D IMO

You're way more optimistic about reinhart than me, I would be stoked if he turned into a 6D at this point

I think Nurse will probably end up as a 3D, but also believe klefbom has the ability to be a 1D.

But that's just my take on it.

 

[Reddwit]

Sheahan + Green (1.2M retained).

 

[Revelation]

Eller + Bowey for RNH + Davidson

Eller ideal 3C, big and fast for matchups against big centers.

Bowey 2nd pairing all around right handed PMD with top pairing ceiling. Unproven but so was Parayko and he looks like he'll be a home run.

Davidson expendable with all other Oiler LD, Klefbom/Russell/Sekera/Nurse/Larsson this year and Bowey over Russell next year.

IDK make cap work somehow. Caps have something to run against Hagelin-Bonino-Kessel and Davidson improves their backend mobility.