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zeke said:
If you want them to trade the core four, this signing effects that decision not at all.
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Agreed. However you're looking at the Reilly deal in isolation. In that respect it is a good deal, strictly on a player value/AAV basis.

The fact remains that Reilly has been a big part of all of the underachieving of the last few years. So will he be part of the problem, or part of the solution going forward?
 
54 Years of Futility said:
Why do you guys think that standing pat with this underachieving team is acceptable?
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This team is better than their performance in the playoffs. We all know that which is why we label them as "underachieving". And while repeating with an underachieving team sounds like beating a dead horse, there is a greater likelihood of a cup coming from them breaking through their mental fragility than blowing it up and starting all over.

Ovi and the Caps looked down and out, figured it out after a decade with what was considered their weakest team in their decade long contention window.
 
Racer88 said:
I’m kinda glad he is staying a Leaf but I can’t help wonder who gets sacrificed to make this fit next year
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With Kessel off the books, they need an extra $1.3M. Not a big deal. Of course there are other issues too but this won't be a show-stopper.
 
Lower than what the market would bear, clearly Reilly wanted to stay here. If he wasn't going to sign at a workable salary, he knew he would be traded.

Reilly appears to be a cerebral guy. You can tell he cares, even if he isn't a rah-rah guy in front of the camera. Seeing him a bit more vocal on the bench wouldn't hurt IMO (a la Matthews last game).

Unlike some of the younger egos who chose to get paid without an appreciation for the cost it would have on winning (it takes two to tango, so Leafs created this situation), he remains here for presumably the right reasons. Why squeeze a team for more while sabotaging your career experience in a potentially miserable situation when your GM has little cap to sign vital winners? No Canadian is starving at $7.5M U.S a year (or $750k for that matter).

I always say that players should make what they can, but, there are important factors in ones career besides an extra yacht or two. You can never re-live your career, so make it count.

In the end, you can bet that there are MANY former NHL players who wish they had taken slightly less if it meant a shot at glory. Reilly is a likeable player. When he is on his game, he's arguably a #1.
 
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54 Years of Futility said:
Agreed. However you're looking at the Reilly deal in isolation. In that respect it is a good deal, strictly on a player value/AAV basis.

The fact remains that Reilly has been a big part of all of the underachieving of the last few years. So will he be part of the problem, or part of the solution going forward?
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Except he has been one of our best players on the playoffs every year. So keeping him is a no brainer.
 
54 Years of Futility said:
Agreed. However you're looking at the Reilly deal in isolation. In that respect it is a good deal, strictly on a player value/AAV basis.

The fact remains that Reilly has been a big part of all of the underachieving of the last few years. So will he be part of the problem, or part of the solution going forward?
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I mean were you yelling for Rielly to be traded before they signed him?
 
Confucius said:
If we are competetive I agree. If we are bottom dwellers not making the playoffs, I'm pretty sure he leaves. Why stay if we suck?
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We've been competitive every day he's been here. Him and his boys didn't get it done when it matters. Toronto didnt let him down. I don't see why he wouldn't want to win with the Leafs. The emotions elsewhere won't even compare to overcoming the hate and winning it with his original team. It's not going to be like Hyman where we simply can't fit him in. Matthews will be handed a signed blank cheque and asked to fill it in.
 
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Kurtz said:
Need to keep finding more Spezzas & Buntings - guys who want to come home and play on a discount. And it wouldn't hurt to develop a prospect or two.

Can also do what TB did when they started to run into cap issues - spend firsts to bring in guys on cheap deals with term (Coleman, Goodrow) instead of spending those picks on expiring vet rentals.
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Drafting and developing is the biggest thing IMO. Finally seeing our 2017 first round draft pick in 2021. We haven't developed a legitimate forward prospect since Marner/Nylander.

Its okay to spend money on players if your constantly bringing in good players on ELCs like Tampa does.
 
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Niagara Bill said:
But, it ties the Leafs hands because of the big 4. If Marner or JT were being paid a reasonable $$$, then maybe ok fir Reilly. But on this team, this us way too much tied up for a player not elite. It stops us from getting an elite d man even if we could trade Marner even up for one.
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JT earned his contract at that point in his career, turning down significantly more money to come here. He also chose Toronto, not the other way around. A major distinction.

So, even when his numbers aren't always there, he is working hard and driving the net. He had the courage to jump into the fishbowl. I'm loyal to such players and commend their courage (relative to the application of such a term to sports) as they didn't take the easy, stress-free road.

All the other three IMO are overpaid to varying degrees simply due to the control the Leafs had at the time. Matthews, the least overpaid of the lot.

From a purely business perspective, it can be argued that no Leaf is overpaid as the franchise is the most valuable in the league in terms of dollars. However, from a practical, logistical, "Cup seeking standpoint", I would personally have taken a different approach than Dubas from the initial negotiation with Nylander, to set the boundaries (it would have been different had this team won a couple of rounds).

In the end, I've said that some of Dubas trades and tight money pickups have been excellent. Those early contracts were always going to bite the team barring a sizeable increase in the Cap.
 
Torontonian said:
Drafting and developing is the biggest thing IMO. Finally seeing our 2017 first round draft pick in 2021. We haven't developed a legitimate forward prospect since Marner/Nylander.

Its okay to spend money on players if your constantly bringing in good players on ELCs like Tampa does.
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It's been a good 7 drafts since Tampa's produced a quality ELC guy.
 
Unlike some others this is a good contract. Rielly is a great skater and will be able to play well into his 30's.

Personally I've always had a soft spot for him as he represents the beginning of the supposed rebuild for me and like others, even though I like JT, I wanted Morgan to get the C.

Happy he'll be here for a long while.
 
The Hanging Jowl said:
With Kessel off the books, they need an extra $1.3M. Not a big deal. Of course there are other issues too but this won't be a show-stopper.
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Yes to fit Reilly in I agree but then that just gives us the same group that has failed the last 5 years. I’m thinking they are going to need to come up with some money for upgrades. I think Campbell is going to need a raise soon
 
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The Podium said:
This team is better than their performance in the playoffs. We all know that which is why we label them as "underachieving". And while repeating with an underachieving team sounds like beating a dead horse, there is a greater likelihood of a cup coming from them breaking through their mental fragility than blowing it up and starting all over.

Ovi and the Caps looked down and out, figured it out after a decade with what was considered their weakest team in their decade long contention window.
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What have the Leafs done that's comparable to the Caps?

They actually won a few series when they were at the point we're at. And Ovechkin/Backstrom actually proved they could take over a series.
 
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zeke said:
It's been a good 7 drafts since Tampa's produced a quality ELC guy.
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However they have won 2 cups in that time and had many playoff round wins……we have had nothing in the way of those success’s, so probably not a great comparison
 
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Racer88 said:
However they have won 2 cups in that time and had many playoff round wins……we have had nothing in the way of those success’s, so probably not a great comparison
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They definition had crucial ELCs (Cirelli, Cernak, Sergachev) contribute to the cup they actually stayed under the cap for, but the point is that takes time, as illustrated by the fact that they have no ELCs yet from their last 7 drafts, which is significantly longer, say, than our front office has even been in charge.
 
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IPS said:
What have the Leafs done that's comparable to the Caps?

They actually won a few series when they were at the point we're at. And Ovechkin/Backstrom actually proved they could take over a series.
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They also couldnt get past Pittsburgh, sure it wasnt a 1st round roadblock, but the same concept applies.
 
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IPS said:
They were going to the cup finals while drafting guys like Brayden Point.

Let's not do the Tampa comparison, it never looks good for the Leafs.
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They never won a cup with Point on an ELC. The mid-money bridge deal he's been paid on through both their cup wins, though, ends this year
 
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