Rielly ranked #1 of 2012 draft class in TSN (Craig Button) Top 30 NHL Prospects

[Dreakmur]

if he's the prospect he's hyped to be, he will dominate this tournament against kids his own age.

And if he comes back to play again next year, we'll get to see him compete against his own age. Don't forget that he's 18 in a tournament that is generally dominated by 19-year-olds.

 

[Frankie]

Rielly is by far the best player on a crappy team.

i would hope he's the best player on his team.

Being a young star in Toronto is tougher than somewhere you can still go to dinner without autograph seekers. NOt to mention more media coverage than anywhere else in the league. It ain't easy.

of course, that stuff could be used as extra motivation. it simply means that winning a cup in toronto would be a bigger deal than it would be in some other city where people don't care as much.

we can spin it any way we want.

 

[Frankie]

And if he comes back to play again next year, we'll get to see him compete against his own age. Don't forget that he's 18 in a tournament that is generally dominated by 19-year-olds.

haven't forgotten that, just not buying it as an excuse.

he's playing against many 18 years olds, and some 17 year olds too. many of the 19 year olds are literally just a few months older than rielly. really not a factor.

yes, if he comes back next year, he should be even better.

 

[Dreakmur]

haven't forgotten that, just not buying it as an excuse.

What's the excuse? You said he should dominate against his own age, but the mere fact that he's on this team showed he already did that.

You want him to dominate against players who are older.

he's playing against many 18 years olds, and some 17 year olds too. many of the 19 year olds are literally just a few months older than rielly. really not a factor.

How many 17- and 18-year-olds are in this tourney? How many are actually in positions of significance? How many are playing for legitimate contenders?

Sometimes the amount of months between different birth years isn't a major factor, but their full extra year of Jr. A experience definitely is a major factor.

 

[ForSpareParts*]

I wasn't that impressed today vs Germany. Very uninspired. We need to see more from him. Ok, but certainly not great.

 

[The Magic Man]

I wasn't that impressed today vs Germany. Very uninspired. We need to see more from him. Ok, but certainly not great.

Do you know how much time he got? I didn't watch the game so I don't know. It didn't sound like much. I heard he broke up a two on one scoring play, wasn't on for any goals against and got an assist. Wasn't he +2 as well?

Tell me if I'm wrong.

 

[Stephen]

"only"? that's a heck of a lot more impressive than scoring less than a point per game in the whl.

Yeah, "only" because on Boston College 1986-87, Brian Leetch's 47 points put him behind Craig Janney, Kevin Stevens, Dan Shea, Ken Hodge and Tim Sweeney in team scoring. In fact 6 players from BC were the ten leading scorers from Hockey East that won 31 out of 39 games that season. So Leetch was putting up decent numbers on a stacked team.

Conversely, Rielly is still second leading scorer on Moose Jaw despite having been away for WJC matters for a few games now.

 

[dubey]

Do you know how much time he got? I didn't watch the game so I don't know. It didn't sound like much. I heard he broke up a two on one scoring play, wasn't on for any goals against and got an assist. Wasn't he +2 as well?

Tell me if I'm wrong.

I'm watching it now

He had a primary assist on the first goal but they didn't count it for some reason

 

[darrylsittler27]

Watched Reilly last night...

He will be good.He isn't the best Dman we(Canada) have but is hard to miss.He is not ready for the NHL yet but will grow from this tourney and looks good for NHL duty by 20.

 

[Duke Silver]

Looks to be lacking something in his stride. I think he's got an injury dating back to the WHL vs. Russia game last month where he got hurt. Also coincides with his downturn in production for Moose Jaw since then.

I could be wrong and he may just be playing conservative, but he hasn't used his top-end speed to his advantage in the games I've seen.

Hoping Spott uses him more next game.

 

[Frankie]

What's the excuse? You said he should dominate against his own age, but the mere fact that he's on this team showed he already did that.

You want him to dominate against players who are older.

How many 17- and 18-year-olds are in this tourney? How many are actually in positions of significance? How many are playing for legitimate contenders?

Sometimes the amount of months between different birth years isn't a major factor, but their full extra year of Jr. A experience definitely is a major factor.

yeah, i want him to dominate against players who are older. given the hype i've read about him, if he's as good as he's supposed to be, he should dominate this tournament.

i'm not buying your "he's only 18" excuse for him not dominating. he's old enough to be on the team, he's old enough to dominate.

 

[Frankie]

Yeah, "only" because on Boston College 1986-87, Brian Leetch's 47 points put him behind Craig Janney, Kevin Stevens, Dan Shea, Ken Hodge and Tim Sweeney in team scoring. In fact 6 players from BC were the ten leading scorers from Hockey East that won 31 out of 39 games that season. So Leetch was putting up decent numbers on a stacked team.

Conversely, Rielly is still second leading scorer on Moose Jaw despite having been away for WJC matters for a few games now.

an 18 year old defenceman putting up 47 points in 37 games in ncaa is more than "decent". sure, leetch had a great team around him. but maybe he helped his teammates as much as they helped him.

and conversely, maybe if rielly was better, his team would be better.

leetch was a point per game defenceman in the nhl the following season, so we'll know very quickly whether or not rielly is on the same path.

 

[Dreakmur]

yeah, i want him to dominate against players who are older. given the hype i've read about him, if he's as good as he's supposed to be, he should dominate this tournament.

i'm not buying your "he's only 18" excuse for him not dominating. he's old enough to be on the team, he's old enough to dominate.

I doubt he'll even get the chance to play a significant role. Canada has too many older defensemen in front of him.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I doubt he'll even get the chance to play a significant role. Canada has too many older defensemen in front of him.

What has "older" to do with it, unless they're better?

Isn't the objective to win the tournament?

If so, you'll give more ice time to those who can help you reach that objective.

Seniority is of no importance.

 

[dubey]

yeah, i want him to dominate against players who are older. given the hype i've read about him, if he's as good as he's supposed to be, he should dominate this tournament.

i'm not buying your "he's only 18" excuse for him not dominating. he's old enough to be on the team, he's old enough to dominate.

We should stay away from Mackinnon this year

 

[7even]

What has "older" to do with it, unless they're better?

Isn't the objective to win the tournament?

If so, you'll give more ice time to those who can help you reach that objective.

Seniority is of no importance.

Try telling that to Hockey Canada lmao.

 

[The Magic Man]

We should stay away from Mackinnon this year

You know what we should do? We should trade Reilly for a D man who dominated in his draft year at the WJC. A guy like Luke Schenn. He'd be perfect for us.

 

[Frankie]

We should stay away from Mackinnon this year

why?

if there's a choice, i'd go with drouin at this point.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Try telling that to Hockey Canada lmao.

Experience (especially of international rules tournaments) will play a role in the coach's determination, but if a player is truly superior, he wll get his ice time.

 

[Jerkini]

yeah, i want him to dominate against players who are older. given the hype i've read about him, if he's as good as he's supposed to be, he should dominate this tournament.

i'm not buying your "he's only 18" excuse for him not dominating. he's old enough to be on the team, he's old enough to dominate.

His coach isn't putting him in a position to dominate. There's not much you can do when you see 20 seconds of even strength ice time every 15 minutes. He isn't even sitting on the bench because of mistakes, either. Which is the baffling part.

Judging from this WJC only, you can't even make an accurate assessment on how good or bad he is because of how little he's played. He isn't receiving enough minutes.

 

[Frankie]

His coach isn't putting him in a position to dominate. There's not much you can do when you see 20 seconds of even strength ice time every 15 minutes. He isn't even sitting on the bench because of mistakes, either. Which is the baffling part.

Judging from this WJC only, you can't even make an accurate assessment on how good or bad he is because of how little he's played. He isn't receiving enough minutes.

you have to figure there's a reason he isn't getting much ice time, don't you?

i'm not a big fan of the coach, but i don't think he'd be coaching the team if he was a complete idiot. surely there are enough smart people involved with this team that they wouldn't leave a dominant player on the bench.

 

[dubey]

You know what we should do? We should trade Reilly for a D man who dominated in his draft year at the WJC. A guy like Luke Schenn. He'd be perfect for us.

Been there done that

We should set our sights a bit higher and target Ryan "The Legend" Ellis

 

[Jerkini]

you have to figure there's a reason he isn't getting much ice time, don't you?

i'm not a big fan of the coach, but i don't think he'd be coaching the team if he was a complete idiot. surely there are enough smart people involved with this team that they wouldn't leave a dominant player on the bench.

I watched the game against Germany live. If there's a reason, it's certainly not because of his play on the ice. I can say that with absolute confidence.

 

[Dreakmur]

What has "older" to do with it, unless they're better?

Isn't the objective to win the tournament?

If so, you'll give more ice time to those who can help you reach that objective.

Seniority is of no importance.

First of all, Spott is an idiot, so it's impossibe to predict his line of reasoning. Having said that, I'll go through what should be a normal line of reasoning.

In a normal situation, like a season, the coach has a lot of time to learn which players he can trust and which ones he can't. In a tournament like this, where you've got like a week to get things set in place, the coach has to make some guesses.

Pretty much any coach is going to use Dougie Hamilton and Scott Harrington in key situations. They were here last year, and they played well, so there's no reason to doubt them. They have spots to lose.

Spott knows Murphy. He may not like parts of his game, but at least he knows exactly how Murphy handles certain situations, so that trust is already in place (if it wasn't, he would have been cut). That puts Hamilton and Murphy in a lot of the offensive situations, which really takes away from what Rielly has to bring.

That leaves Oullett, Wotherspoon, Rielly, and Reinhart as the unknowns. Oullett and Wotherspoon don't have Rielly's dynamic skill, but in addition to being older and more exprienced, their games are just much more solid and predictable. In a short tournament like this, where I don't have time to learn my players, it's the guys like that who earn trust much faster. Moreover, they fit better into the open holes of key ice times, which are the defensive minutes that Murphy can't play and Hamilton shouldn't play.

you have to figure there's a reason he isn't getting much ice time, don't you?

i'm not a big fan of the coach, but i don't think he'd be coaching the team if he was a complete idiot. surely there are enough smart people involved with this team that they wouldn't leave a dominant player on the bench.

I know a few players who have been through the Kitchener program, and he definately is a complete idiot.

When a coach doesn't trust you, he doesn't play you. It's that simple.

 

[Stephen]

an 18 year old defenceman putting up 47 points in 37 games in ncaa is more than "decent". sure, leetch had a great team around him. but maybe he helped his teammates as much as they helped him.

and conversely, maybe if rielly was better, his team would be better.

leetch was a point per game defenceman in the nhl the following season, so we'll know very quickly whether or not rielly is on the same path.

Not really.