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LeetchisGod said:
Not remotely true. He has taken a ton of muffin wrist shots from the perimeter in his Ranger playoff career.
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Nash Average Shot Distance Playoffs Only All Situations..
16/17: 26.23 Ft
15/16: 26.51 Ft
14/15: 30.47 Ft
13/14: 29.22 Ft
12/13: 21.81 Ft


Last year, basically the same as this year. His first year, better than any year.

The middle 2 years when we had deep runs, were his worse.

So in his playoff career...you can say hes had 2 seasons where he was kept to the perimeter...and 3 seasons where he wasnt...

thats not the bulk of his career...and while he took a lot of long distance shots in those years, he also took PLENTY of in tight shots. And I swear he was taking half of those long distance shots to simply get offensive zone faceoffs at the end of his shifts rather than dump it in.

but...whatever...
 
Inferno said:
Nash Average Shot Distance Playoffs Only All Situations..
16/17: 26.23 Ft
15/16: 26.51 Ft
14/15: 30.47 Ft
13/14: 29.22 Ft
12/13: 21.81 Ft


Last year, basically the same as this year. His first year, better than any year.

The middle 2 years when we had deep runs, were his worse.

So in his playoff career...you can say hes had 2 seasons where he was kept to the perimeter...and 3 seasons where he wasnt...

thats not the bulk of his career...and while he took a lot of long distance shots in those years, he also took PLENTY of in tight shots. And I swear he was taking half of those long distance shots to simply get offensive zone faceoffs at the end of his shifts rather than dump it in.

but...whatever...
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Narrative!
 
Inferno said:
thats not the bulk of his career...and while he took a lot of long distance shots in those years, he also took PLENTY of in tight shots. And I swear he was taking half of those long distance shots to simply get offensive zone faceoffs at the end of his shifts rather than dump it in.

but...whatever...
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He has stepped it up and it is good to see. Now let's hope that he continues. Again, the Nash that showed up in the last series is exactly the Nash that the Rangers have needed in every series and who they need if they want to go anywhere this year.
 
Nash has started to figured the playoffs out. He's gotten better each year. The lone bright spot last year. His 3 points in 6 games this year don't tell the story. He was the best forward on the ice in at least 3 of the games. He dominated play at time. Glad to see him stick it to us Blueshirt fans. He's a good guy and took a lot of crap.
 
Inferno said:
Nash Average Shot Distance Playoffs Only All Situations..
16/17: 26.23 Ft
15/16: 26.51 Ft
14/15: 30.47 Ft
13/14: 29.22 Ft
12/13: 21.81 Ft


Last year, basically the same as this year. His first year, better than any year.

The middle 2 years when we had deep runs, were his worse.

So in his playoff career...you can say hes had 2 seasons where he was kept to the perimeter...and 3 seasons where he wasnt...

thats not the bulk of his career...and while he took a lot of long distance shots in those years, he also took PLENTY of in tight shots. And I swear he was taking half of those long distance shots to simply get offensive zone faceoffs at the end of his shifts rather than dump it in.

but...whatever...
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And from that distance , how many of those shots were when he was going inside out instead of outside in?

I mean is it so hard to debate the fact that he's been way more effective and ahem..."scoring goals" now that he cuts into the net before the shot?
 
Simply an observation but it seems that Nash took years to regain his confidence to play in a crowd, after his concussion. It was almost as if he was afraid of contact.

He seemed to play on the perimeter in the earlier years and only started to drive to the net again in recent years.
 
Jonas1235 said:
I think he retires a NYR.

Signs an extension for 4m x 3 years.
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I'm sure he'd like to, I don't know that it'll work out that way. I also think we can probably do better than Nash at $4M per for 3 years. Find a younger candidate that isn't perfect who's looking for a decent term to take a chance on, it'd be just as much of a chance to stick with an aging Nash.
 
Jonas1235 said:
I think he retires a NYR.

Signs an extension for 4m x 3 years.
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You will hate paying him when he is 35 years old, 4 m per year.

If he was willing to do a 2 year, $7m deal, sure I would take him back. But he won't and he (and rightfully so) will take money elsewhere. Though I do wonder what the free agent market for him will be.

The best possible use of assets would be if he could be traded in the off season.
 
Nash will be 33 his first year of free agency. Will his skills decline that rapidly from 33-35 versus how he plays now? In my mind....No.

Thus, I suspect that on the open market his value might be closer to 5 per year for a team looking to put an interesting piece in place for a cup run?
 
Inferno said:
Nash Average Shot Distance Playoffs Only All Situations..
16/17: 26.23 Ft
15/16: 26.51 Ft
14/15: 30.47 Ft
13/14: 29.22 Ft
12/13: 21.81 Ft


Last year, basically the same as this year. His first year, better than any year.

The middle 2 years when we had deep runs, were his worse.

So in his playoff career...you can say hes had 2 seasons where he was kept to the perimeter...and 3 seasons where he wasnt...

thats not the bulk of his career...and while he took a lot of long distance shots in those years, he also took PLENTY of in tight shots. And I swear he was taking half of those long distance shots to simply get offensive zone faceoffs at the end of his shifts rather than dump it in.

but...whatever...
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If Nash played like he has this year during the cup finals in 2014, we probably win the cup. He didn't and we didn't. Period.
 
LeetchisGod said:
If Nash played like he has this year during the cup finals in 2014, we probably win the cup. He didn't and we didn't. Period.
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I feel like there are a ton of "what if's" for the 2014 finals. A bounce here and a missed call there could have easily flipped the entire series on its head. Nash was certainly one them.
 
Chief Ranger said:
I feel like there are a ton of "what if's" for the 2014 finals. A bounce here and a missed call there could have easily flipped the entire series on its head. Nash was certainly one them.
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I agree and I'm not convinced that Nash was the make or break in the playoffs or that series. A lot of things didn't go our way really quickly in very tight games. One of the better 5-game series I can recall.
 
RangerFan10 said:
I agree and I'm not convinced that Nash was the make or break in the playoffs or that series. A lot of things didn't go our way really quickly in very tight games. One of the better 5-game series I can recall.
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Games 1, 2 and 5 were all games the Rangers could have EASILY won. That was one of the tightest 5 game series I've ever seen in any sport. Nash was also snakebitten in that series.
 
I would love to extend Nash honestly. Only for a couple of years though. Kind of want to see him retire a NYR, if he can keep up a good level of play.
 
I love Nash. Just not at this salary/cap, obviously. He's a guy I'd love to see retire with us on an appropriate/adjusted contract. Can't blame the guy for cashing out elsewhere if someone is willing, though.
 
yeah, I agree, he should not get the same contract value if he going to sign a new contract - then he need to take a salary cut for sure.
 
He made so much money on his last contract. And he had less than 40 points this year right? 3x3
 
Adam Clendening said:
I would love to extend Nash honestly. Only for a couple of years though. Kind of want to see him retire a NYR, if he can keep up a good level of play.
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If Nash was making around 4 million now or even 5 million, the contract would not be a concern. Nash is a very effective player, and he is starting to produce in the playoffs now. I would extend him also for maybe a 2 year deal, around 3 or 4 million. If he wants to stay in NY, then he will take a discount. At this point in his career is he really looking to break the bank? He already did.
 
Nick of Time said:
If Nash was making around 4 million now or even 5 million, the contract would not be a concern. Nash is a very effective player, and he is starting to produce in the playoffs now. I would extend him also for maybe a 2 year deal, around 3 or 4 million. If he wants to stay in NY, then he will take a discount. At this point in his career is he really looking to break the bank? He already did.
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I could easily see Nash sticking around for another couple of years at a reduced salary than what he is making now. It would make a lot of sense for both sides. I wouldn't exactly blame the Rangers if they chose to move on and get a little bit younger though.
 
Chief Ranger said:
I could easily see Nash sticking around for another couple of years at a reduced salary than what he is making now. It would make a lot of sense for both sides. I wouldn't exactly blame the Rangers if they chose to move on and get a little bit younger though.
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I like Nash's two way game, and think his PK'ing goes under the radar. If he was making like 3 or 4 million and able to do that while still potting over 20 goals then it's a good deal. It's always good to have Vet presence when you do have a young team. Nash gets the criticism not because of just solely his play but his play related to his cap hit. People will confuse effectiveness to just being overpaid all the time. It's not like he is done or anything far from it, just not playing to that current contract.
 
Chief Ranger said:
I feel like there are a ton of "what if's" for the 2014 finals. A bounce here and a missed call there could have easily flipped the entire series on its head. Nash was certainly one them.
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A bounce here or a bounce there does not account for the team's best and most important forward disappearing for long stretches of time. Or not being at all visible when the team needs him the most.
 
Nick of Time said:
If Nash was making around 4 million now or even 5 million, the contract would not be a concern. Nash is a very effective player, and he is starting to produce in the playoffs now. I would extend him also for maybe a 2 year deal, around 3 or 4 million. If he wants to stay in NY, then he will take a discount. At this point in his career is he really looking to break the bank? He already did.
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$3m x 2? Yes. $4m for 3? No chance. Not paying a 35 year old whose skills have already been declining that much money.

Also a resigned Nash means that this team is going to continue to believe that over the length of his contract, the team is a prime contender. Not sure that will be the case.
 
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