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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Assists are just as important as goals. Yet, you judge Nash solely on goals. If he has an assist, he was involved in a goal.
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In tunnel vision discussion, yes assists and goals are equal. However, some pigs are more equal than others. There are players who are better at goal scoring than others. And when those players are not scoring goals, the total offensive output does not remain static. Yes, if he has an assist he was involved with a goal. However, if he throws 20 passes some will result in goals. However, if someone hits him with 20 passes, then there will be more goals scored than not.
In the last 3 post-seasons, let's look at primary points then (Only goals and primary assists, before that argument gets thrown around):

Rick Nash: 1.64 P1/60
Jonathan Toews: 1.54 P1/60
Evgeni Malkin: 1.46 P1/60
Steven Stamkos: 1.46 P1/60
Chris Kreider: 1.39 P1/60
Max Pacioretty: 1.39 P1/60
Patrick Marleau: 1.29 P1/60
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How many on that list are you taking on your team ahead of Rick Nash without a second thought?

Weren't you also the one who deduced that he was a better playoff performer than Ovechkin because his per 60 in the playoffs was better? Think that little tidbit is a few pages back.
For someone who is labeled a play-off choker, he has been pretty damn solid in the last 3 post-seasons.
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He has been called a playoff choker because over the course of his career he has been.
 
RangerFan10 said:
Right now Nash and whether it's Zibanejad or Stepan centering him and Vesey has not been the problem, despite Zibanejad being MIA in scoring more goals or creating opportunities and getting shots through. It's not just Game 4, Nash has been one of our better players on the ice save Game 3 maybe, where it'd be hard to really pick anyone that was acceptable other than Lundqivst.
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Maybe I am missing something. Have I put down Nash's performance in this playoff? I said that THIS is the Nash that this team needs. How did get misinterpreted?
And if we want to nitpick at how much someoen's making vs. what we should be getting, I think in this playoff series in particular there are much bigger fish to fry on the backline than anyone in the forwards group, and not even just Girardi and Staal but Klein and Holden as well.
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I whole hardheartedly agree.
 
True Blue said:
Is Curry the best outside shooter on his team? If you answer yes, then his shooting becomes the most likely to go into the net. If you answer no, well then I think most NBA folks will disagree. Same with Nash. He is team team's best forward. When the puck is on his stick, the chances of it being a goal are greater than on someone else's stick.
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If you are asking who I want taking a contested 3 pointer than the answer is Curry, but if the option is Curry taking a contested 3 pointer or Dramond Green dunking the basketball then the answer is easy. Give me the Green dunk all day long.....

And the Nash shooting the puck is not the highest percentage play as evidenced by his shooting percentage. The reason Nash scores goals is because he shoots a lot and can get into areas where he can score from more than others....
 
True Blue said:
He has been called a playoff choker because over the course of his career he has been.
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Over the course of his career?

He had 3 points in 4 games in his first post-season at the age of 24.

Then 5 in 12, 4 years later at age 28. Sure, 5 in 12 isn't that great and the 10 in 25 in 2014 was definitely not reason to cheer. But over the course of his career? The biggest reason his career numbers look bad, is because he played 25(!) post season games in a post-season where he was just awful.

Was Datsyuk considered a play-off choker because he had 15 points in 42 post-season games to start his career?

First 4 post-seasons for Datsyuk: 15 points in 42 games.
First 3 post-seasons for Nash: 18 points in 41 games.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Over the course of his career?

He had 3 points in 4 games in his first post-season at the age of 24.

Then 5 in 12, 4 years later at age 28. Sure, 5 in 12 isn't that great and the 10 in 25 in 2014 was definitely not reason to cheer. But over the course of his career? The biggest reason his career numbers look bad, is because he played 25(!) post season games in a post-season where he was just awful.
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Coming into this playoffs, he scored 11 goals in 65 games. That was the course of what he has done with the Rangers. Let's hope that we are truly seeing a turnaround.
Was Datsyuk considered a play-off choker because he had 15 points in 42 post-season games to start his career?
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First of all, they are two different players. Datsyuk was a true facilitator whereas Nash is looked upon to finish. Second of all, who would you rather have on your team?
 
Nash has impressed me recently in playoffs - he sometimes go to the net which he refused after his concussion injury some years ago.
I don`t mind to keep Nash over the summer unless Gorton move him for an elite - he is still a 50 + pts. player without any injuries.
 
True Blue said:
In tunnel vision discussion, yes assists and goals are equal. However, some pigs are more equal than others. There are players who are better at goal scoring than others. And when those players are not scoring goals, the total offensive output does not remain static. Yes, if he has an assist he was involved with a goal. However, if he throws 20 passes some will result in goals. However, if someone hits him with 20 passes, then there will be more goals scored than not.

How many on that list are you taking on your team ahead of Rick Nash without a second thought?

Weren't you also the one who deduced that he was a better playoff performer than Ovechkin because his per 60 in the playoffs was better? Think that little tidbit is a few pages back.

He has been called a playoff choker because over the course of his career he has been.
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From the list, just two. Malkin and Stamkos.

Personally think Toews is overrated.
 
Without Nash waking up, this team would be in big trouble. It's so nice to see he brings it in the playoffs. He realizes he has to go to the net and does it. With so many no shows this Habs series, he's been so important.
 
I'm use to complaining about him in the playoffs. Nash has been our most dangerous forward against Montreal. This might be the best I've ever seen him in the playoffs.
 
Inferno said:
nash has always driven the net in the playoffs...pucks are just going in this time.
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Completely disagree with this. The two deep runs (the final and the following year), Nash's trademark was flitting about the perimeter and throwing weak shots at the goalie's chest. That may have been the concussion issues. It may have been the lack of playoff experience. But it did happen. It's part of the reason his stat line looked more like a playmaker than a goalscorer two years ago. Last year (in a limited sample), this started to change.

Nash has turned it around and progressively gotten better with each post-season (to the point where he went from a liability to a contributor to--the last two seasons--a key player). But those first two seasons here DID exist, and he wasn't going to the net with any sort of regularity.
 
When Nash is healthy he produces.

He's healthy now. He wasn't healthy back when he got a bunch of concussions.

How this is still a mystery to ANYONE is shocking.
 
This is the Nash I have been wanting to see since they traded for him, I do believe some of not seeing that was injury related.
 
smoneil said:
Completely disagree with this. The two deep runs (the final and the following year), Nash's trademark was flitting about the perimeter and throwing weak shots at the goalie's chest. That may have been the concussion issues. It may have been the lack of playoff experience. But it did happen. It's part of the reason his stat line looked more like a playmaker than a goalscorer two years ago. Last year (in a limited sample), this started to change.

Nash has turned it around and progressively gotten better with each post-season (to the point where he went from a liability to a contributor to--the last two seasons--a key player). But those first two seasons here DID exist, and he wasn't going to the net with any sort of regularity.
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he did take the long shots..hes taken long shots here as well. but when hes down low hes driving the net..just like he always has.
 
VoynovsParoleOfficer said:
i hope rangers extend him in the off season...what do you guys think a fair term and dollar is for ricky? what we looking at here
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Nash has one more season after this one on his current contract. Nash has been very effective for this team but his cap hit is very high so he gets a lot of focus and is expected to put up elite numbers day in and day out. If Nash was making around 4 to 5 million and putting up this production and play, I don't think anyone would say a word. It always comes back to the cap hit.
 
Nash is busting his tail out there and I'm glad to see some pucks are finding the net for him. Always good to see effort pay off for someone, especially for Nash.
 
Lundquest said:
Nash is busting his tail out there and I'm glad to see some pucks are finding the net for him. Always good to see effort pay off for someone, especially for Nash.
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Yeah true, I`m happy for him - hopefully we have momentum to win this series tomorrow and get ready for the next one! :)
 
Nick of Time said:
Nash has one more season after this one on his current contract. Nash has been very effective for this team but his cap hit is very high so he gets a lot of focus and is expected to put up elite numbers day in and day out. If Nash was making around 4 to 5 million and putting up this production and play, I don't think anyone would say a word. It always comes back to the cap hit.
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yeah i would rather not see him be dangled as a trade bait all season like shatty, i think hes still a core piece to the team and id want him extended to avoid all that, also saves some cap incase he decides to score 35-40 again http://hfboards.mandatory.com/images/smilies/ssst.gif
 
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