Rick Nash Part II

[yrrebbor]

Think LA will take him for Gaborik?

 

[Radek27]

Yeah I don't think getting "rid" of Nash is a very proactive move. If we can't get good value for him, we should keep him.

IMO the cap space gained by dumping him is far more valuable than what he brings. Buying out Richards and dumping Nash will let us resign most of our own guys and bring in two good replacements. I said after last years playoffs if he pulled another offensive no show in postseason I want him gone. Don't forget he said he thought he played well last playoffs with 1 goal.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Think LA will take him for Gaborik?

Yeah Gaborik likely would have been worse than Nash if he were on the Rangers, not riding the coattails of an elite center.

 

[bernmeister]

Asterisk to my yes, I want 'enuf' return.
Has more value in returned cap space then in $$ paid.
However, only the correct deal makes sense to move him.

Last night's SCF finale debacle underscores what I mean when I say he is snake bit. He was stopped not on a missed shot, or an unconscious save, but by a defenseman's stck! More precisely the thin shaft of a stick!

Snake bit may or may not come into play next year, but his contract follows him.

However, that is NOT the same as deadwood, which is what Brad Richards has become.

If memory serves, Nash has NMC now, next year is limited NTC.
If he's smart, he makes nice to help us move him, and in exchange we can try to be accommodating as possible.

But if not now, net year for sure.

Buh-bye

 

[Radek27]

Anson Carter when asked if Rick Nash is done being a goal scorer in the NHL; "I think he is."

 

[aufheben]

No, he'll still score goalies in the regular season, when the play is looser, and there's ****** teams/goalies.

 

[cd211]

I feel like Nash's personality keeps him from being great. He seems like a quiet, mellow, nice guy. Kreider on the other hand seems like an arrogant ******* on the ice. If Nash was more cocky and confident, I think he would be one of the best forwards in the league.

agreed.. you need swag.. but no way do i want to get rid of nash.. only if we get something ridiculous back which could be said about anyone on our team..

he played hard.. it snot like he didn't do anything.. yes hes meant to score goals.. but richards gets paid even more and looked WAYYYYY worse out their and should be held to the same standards..

 

[cd211]

Asterisk to my yes, I want 'enuf' return.
Has more value in returned cap space then in $$ paid.
However, only the correct deal makes sense to move him.

Last night's SCF finale debacle underscores what I mean when I say he is snake bit. He was stopped not on a missed shot, or an unconscious save, but by a defenseman's stck! More precisely the thin shaft of a stick!

Snake bit may or may not come into play next year, but his contract follows him.

However, that is NOT the same as deadwood, which is what Brad Richards has become.

If memory serves, Nash has NMC now, next year is limited NTC.
If he's smart, he makes nice to help us move him, and in exchange we can try to be accommodating as possible.

But if not now, net year for sure.

Buh-bye

exactly... if Nash doesn't get hurt this year dude hits 30+ goals easily.. and that my friends doesn't grow on trees. this is like Gaborik all over again, and look what happened their.. we as rangers fans always think the grass is greener.. get me Dubi back with nash and we dominate.. im just saying we need more intensity out of forwards..


I really look to get ROR, Pavs, or who i really want is Kesler.. Nash is fine, even tho hes had a poor playoff showing for us..

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I think we are looking at his numbers too much.

Yes, he didn't have a great playoffs.

But he also improved as it went on. In rounds 1 and 2 he just stunk. In round 3 he started to understand what playoffs were all about. His physical and defensive play improved.

In the Finals he was matched against a rather perfect team. So you have to take your game to another level again and he didn't quite get there.

Few teams will want him or offer much for him.

Keeping him is the best option. I believe he has to improve his conditioning. At times he looked out of breath or just tired. So that will help him.

Now that he has playoff experience in a long playoff run, he knows what it takes. Mind you, Gaborik never performed this well in playoffs until this year. So it does help to gain playoff experience.

I think Nash fits in with our fast paced style of play. He also adds much needed size and is finally starting to use it. Keep him and buy out Richards!

So hockey fans are only looking at numbers and not seeing the big picture, but other teams with professional management and scouting won't offer much for him because they are only looking at the numbers too?

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

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NHL teams won't just look at his numbers.

They will look at his cap hit and years left on his contract as well.

If Nash had a cap hit of say $4-$5 mill I'm sure more than a few teams would show interest.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Team leading goal scorer the last two seasons.

Who replaces his production?

Give him a full healthy season. He woke up in the CF but ran into a defensive force in the SCF.

I expect 35-65 next season. Cant trade that.

 

[cd211]

NHL teams won't just look at his numbers.

They will look at his cap hit and years left on his contract as well.

If Nash had a cap hit of say $4-$5 mill I'm sure more than a few teams would show interest.

every team in the damn league would trade for him.. his production isn't replaceable.. hes a solid player.. maybe no playoff performer, but he has pride and wants to do more.. richards is the issue, and should be the target of more criticism.. guy gets paid more, and is in a position that merits more weights of a number 1 c..

 

[Fugazy]

Next year will be a big year for Nash. I still think he can put up substantial numbers in the regular season that will help us get to the playoffs. I'm obviously not sold he can step up his game in the playoffs at all, but I still think he will offer a lot of value during the regular season.

 

[aufheben]

Team leading goal scorer the last two seasons.

Who replaces his production?

Give him a full healthy season. He woke up in the CF but ran into a defensive force in the SCF.

I expect 35-65 next season. Cant trade that.

We made the playoffs with him contributing 39 points, and made the SCF with him contributing 3 goals. I think we'll find a way.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

We made the playoffs with him contributing 39 points, and made the SCF with him contributing 3 goals. I think we'll find a way.

We made the SCF with Nash helping to drive play whenever he was on the ice. Him and Stepan, and then later Kreider, went against the best players in the league. Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Claude Giroux, Anze Kopitar, etc. The only series where they didn't go against worldbeaters is in MTL.

As much as i'll beat the Stepan drum, Nash is just as important to the line. Sure, if he scores in the SCF we probably win the Cup. I'm furious at him, and though i'm not one to complain about "clutchness" Nash did **** the bed. But there's a reason Giroux, Crosby, Malkin and Kopitar didn't light us up.

I'm still on the edge if I would trade him (depending on what free agents were available and what the package was, of course), but if i'm the GM i'm not desperately shopping him.

That being said, **** him for not scoring ONE GOAL in the SCF. No matter how good he is/will be at everything else, there'll always be a little of me that resents him for not potting ONE in a series with 3 OT's.

 

[yrrebbor]

Yeah Gaborik likely would have been worse than Nash if he were on the Rangers, not riding the coattails of an elite center.

He didn't do so bad the first time around, just got hurt and Torts didn't know what to do with him:

Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS GC +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TOI ATOI Awards
2009-10 27 NYR NHL 76 42 44 86 35 15 37 27 14 1 4 31 12 1 272 15.4 1615 21:15 AS-3,Byng-27,Hart-17
2010-11 28 NYR NHL 62 22 26 48 19 8 18 15 7 0 4 17 9 0 192 11.5 1121 18:05
2011-12 29 NYR NHL 82 41 35 76 31 15 34 31 10 0 7 24 11 0 276 14.9 1600 19:31 AS-2,AS-16,Byng-24,Hart-16
2012-13 30 NYR NHL 35 9 10 19 8 -8 8 8 1 0 4 4 6 0 113 8.0 654 18:40
2012-13 30 TOT NHL 47 12 15 27 11 -3 14 11 1 0 5 7 8 0 151 7.9 870 18:31

 

[jerseyjinx94]

He didn't do so bad the first time around, just got hurt and Torts didn't know what to do with him:

Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS GC +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TOI ATOI Awards
2009-10 27 NYR NHL 76 42 44 86 35 15 37 27 14 1 4 31 12 1 272 15.4 1615 21:15 AS-3,Byng-27,Hart-17
2010-11 28 NYR NHL 62 22 26 48 19 8 18 15 7 0 4 17 9 0 192 11.5 1121 18:05
2011-12 29 NYR NHL 82 41 35 76 31 15 34 31 10 0 7 24 11 0 276 14.9 1600 19:31 AS-2,AS-16,Byng-24,Hart-16
2012-13 30 NYR NHL 35 9 10 19 8 -8 8 8 1 0 4 4 6 0 113 8.0 654 18:40
2012-13 30 TOT NHL 47 12 15 27 11 -3 14 11 1 0 5 7 8 0 151 7.9 870 18:31

He meant in the playoffs, when Gaborik played more like Maid Marian than the Gaborik we saw this year.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

You can't say Nash's regular season numbers don't matter and then point to Gaborik's as proof that he was good here.

 

[yrrebbor]

Yeah Gaborik likely would have been worse than Nash if he were on the Rangers, not riding the coattails of an elite center.

He meant in the playoffs, when Gaborik played more like Maid Marian than the Gaborik we saw this year.

He suffered injuries in '05-06, '06-07, '08-09, '09-10, '10-11, and then his shoulder was all messed up in the '12 playoffs.

Hope Nash can get past his concussion without being traded first.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

NHL teams won't just look at his numbers.

They will look at his cap hit and years left on his contract as well.

If Nash had a cap hit of say $4-$5 mill I'm sure more than a few teams would show interest.

So would it be a stretch to say that Nash's contract, hype, and assets required to get him aren't a smart decision for a serious team to make?

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

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1every team in the damn league would trade for him.. his production isn't replaceable.. hes a solid player.. 2maybe no playoff performer, but he has pride and wants to do more.. richards is the issue, and should be the target of more criticism.. guy gets paid more, and is in a position that merits more weights of a number 1 c..

Every team in the league would pay $5 million for a player with a huge chance of being a playoff no show?

I think a few teams who just want to make the playoffs would pay for that, and the teams that were going for it wouldn't.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

We made the SCF with Nash helping to drive play whenever he was on the ice. Him and Stepan, and then later Kreider, went against the best players in the league. Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Claude Giroux, Anze Kopitar, etc. The only series where they didn't go against worldbeaters is in MTL.

As much as i'll beat the Stepan drum, Nash is just as important to the line. Sure, if he scores in the SCF we probably win the Cup. I'm furious at him, and though i'm not one to complain about "clutchness" Nash did **** the bed. But there's a reason Giroux, Crosby, Malkin and Kopitar didn't light us up.

I'm still on the edge if I would trade him (depending on what free agents were available and what the package was, of course), but if i'm the GM i'm not desperately shopping him.

That being said, **** him for not scoring ONE GOAL in the SCF. No matter how good he is/will be at everything else, there'll always be a little of me that resents him for not potting ONE in a series with 3 OT's.

I have now heard every possible interpretation of Rick Nash's performance these playoffs.

Rick Nash was now so much of a two-way impact that he was integral in shutting down the world's best players.

This player's hype is through the roof. I've seen fans turn on less important players for fractions of the problems Rick Nash had. Good lord!

 

[nyhockeyfan]

Team leading goal scorer the last two seasons.

Who replaces his production?

Give him a full healthy season. He woke up in the CF but ran into a defensive force in the SCF.

I expect 35-65 next season. Cant trade that.

I was furious when we traded for him. I never liked him and his contract annoyed me to no end. I generally hate every top player with a NMC who demands to move to NY. But it is ridiculous to call him out and expect that he is going to solve all the Ranger's problems. I feel he has been scapegoated in the press.

I think the problems that have plagued him stem from a lack of able coaching. He doesn't click with his line. AV hasn't solved this yet but I am hopeful they can come up with something.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I was furious when we traded for him. I never liked him and his contract annoyed me to no end. But it is ridiculous to call him out and expect that he is going to solve all the Ranger's problems. I feel he has been scapegoated in the press.

I think the problems that have plagued him stem from a lack of able coaching. He doesn't click with his line.

No!

It was...

-concussion
-he needed to be out of columbus to spread his wings
-he's not ready for a big market
-the fans were hard on him
-no one knocked in his great passes
-AV refused to put him on the power play
-he wanted to pay a defensive role/roles change
-he hasn't been in a lot of playoff games, so he learned this year
-people focus on the cap hit

Am I missing something?

It's probably one of those reasons. Maybe it was the refs or bettman, or Toronto, but that's in other threads already.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

you guys all said the same thing last year about this guy.

go ahead and repeat history.