Return for Matthews in a trade

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He is 100% MIA in his own zone, which is one of the main reasons Oil lost.
Drais is great at offense, but, worse defensively than JT and maybe a lot worse, or just lazier in that aspect.
in those 6 games he was a Minus 5


you cant compare salaries signed a few years ago ...what was the cap % at time of signing? that is a proper indication of value vs todays market
Agreed but if you need a goal, Drai is your man. Still leading the playoffs in goals and hasn't played a game in a month.
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Matthews placed 10th in Selke voting just last year and has some of the best takeaway and defensive metrics amongst Centers in hockey all while being a 50+ goal scorer. Pretty unicorn like if you ask me. Matthews had like a 10 game playoff point streak going and was arguably the best if not second best player in round 1 this season. But we're going to discredit that because of round two. It's really a what have you done for me lately with this fanbase.

When McDavid makes 16 million on his next contract without having won a cup I hope we have the same criticism for him for being greedy. McDavid signed his contract a long time ago, when the collector comes due he will be the highest paid player in hockey.
Patrice Bergeron was a much better player than Matthews ever hopes to be and he didn’t handicap his team with salary demands.
Same can be said with Marchand and Marner.
 
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Agreed but if you need a goal, Drai is your man. Still leading the playoffs in goals and hasn't played a game in a month.
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sure he can pot them, especially when on the PP with McD is on the ice drawing 2 players ...but, then they always need to 'outscore' the other teams, and if those 2 guys are shot down, then lose.
they had 18 pp goals in 12 games, thats nutty (6 Drais, 5 McD) Just noticed Kreider had 5 in 7 games himself on the PP
 
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And that's what we see time and time again in the playoffs. They don't have each others back. They don't appear as a well-bonded "family". The "other 19" don't have the core 4's back. And the core 4 only care about themselves. It's selfish hockey we see every post season.
I wish the so called Core 4 (reminds me so much of Muskoka 5) played as hard as they negotiate for every dime...
 
Patrice Bergeron was a much better player than Matthews ever hopes to be and he didn’t handicap his team with salary demands.
Same can be said with Marchand and Marner.
Bergeron is a better defensive player Only... and Matthews 2-way game has come a long way, and he doesnt get the recognition he deserves.
Now, how can you possibly compare their contracts, when one just actually crippled his team with his Bonuses, and is likely retiring when he signed a 1 -year deal as his last shot,
the other hasnt even hit his prime yet.
Bergeron's big contract was signed in 2014 coming off a 55 point season and he signed for 10.7% of the cap ...thats a lot of $$ for being a defensive specialist.
 
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We don’t know what is going on in the heads of Matthews, Marner, Willy or anyone else on the team for that matter. We can only go on what they show us on the ice or in their interviews.

None of the three players mentioned above seem to have any bite or warrior mentality needed to be successful in the playoffs.

We don’t really know what is being said in their contract negotiations, and we need to be careful when listening to what the media speculates.

I’m sure all of these players have a burning desire to win, but it doesn’t seem like they have a burning desire to do whatever it takes to win.

When it’s all said and done though, it really comes down to one thing. What is best for the team! Re-signing these guys to bloated contracts just to keep them here, doesn’t seem like the best strategy, imo.

Trading them for solid returns and spreading the wealth around, making this more of a well balanced TEAM, makes a lot more sense to me.
The most sensible commentary on the subject imho...
 
Bergeron is a better defensive player Only... and Matthews 2-way game has come a long way, and he doesnt get the recognition he deserves.
Now, how can you possibly compare their contracts, when one just actually crippled his team with his Bonuses, and is likely retiring when he signed a 1 -year deal as his last shot,
the other hasnt even hit his prime yet.
Bergeron's big contract was signed in 2014 coming off a 55 point season and he signed for 10.7% of the cap ...thats a lot of $$ for being a defensive specialist.
He didn’t do, his GM did so they could meet cap requirements. . He came back trying to get his name on the Cup again and an another trip to the SCF. A great leader.

Now they’ll rebuild and be fine in a few years.
 
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To Toronto-
2nd Overall Pick (Adam Fantilli)
Mason Mctavish
Pavel Mintyukov
Adam Henrique

To Anaheim-
Auston Matthews
Nick Robertson
Filip Kral
28th Overall Pick
 
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To Toronto-
2nd Overall Pick (Adam Fantilli)
Mason Mctavish
Pavel Mintyukov
Adam Henrique

To Anaheim-
Auston Matthews
Nick Robertson
Filip Kral
28th Overall Pick
why is Toronto adding anything ...seriously, other than to free roster spots?
we definitely dont add picks, or any 'top' prospects
 
That’s an opinion but not a well founded one. There’s lots of ways to get this team there without taking out the two best players
Will those advocating for keeping 34, 16 at all costs be the same ones booing him/them when they return in another jersey after playing the Leafs for the fools once again? Asking for a friend………..
 
Will those advocating for keeping 34, 16 at all costs be the same ones booing him/them when they return in another jersey after playing the Leafs for the fools once again? Asking for a friend………..

Not sure who said at all costs and that’s a lot of assumptions you’re making. But in this hypothetical scenario you’re suggesting it depends how they leave I’d say. Wanting them to stay, and being upset if they leave seem to go naturally in hand, so I’d think the same people would be annoyed. If they are traded, probably not as much
 
why is Toronto adding anything ...seriously, other than to free roster spots?
we definitely dont add picks, or any 'top' prospects
While Matthews is a top 5 player in the game, you would never get a package like the one I proposed for Matthews alone. You're receiving possibly your top 2 centers for the next 10 years in Fantilli and Mctavish, plus you're getting a projected top pairing defenseman in return, not to mention, Adam Henrique who is still a very serviceable player
 
Will those advocating for keeping 34, 16 at all costs be the same ones booing him/them when they return in another jersey after playing the Leafs for the fools once again? Asking for a friend………..
Who's your friend? Doesn't seem too bright.
 
Patrice Bergeron was a much better player than Matthews ever hopes to be and he didn’t handicap his team with salary demands.
Same can be said with Marchand and Marner.

Marchand and Marner? I mean, did you even look at the details of this before saying anything... it's not even close.

Marchand had been in the league for six full seasons when he signed his deal, with a career high of 61 points, and a second best season of 55 points. He signed a deal worth 8.39% of the cap.

Marchand is more comparable to Nylander at the time of the contract signing, though even Nylander had outperformed Marchand at that point, and he signed for 8.76%

Marner had a 94 point season before signing... attempting to compare that to a 61 point season as a best after six years is ridiculous to be honest.... I mean, Boston got extremely lucky that Marchand somehow just kept on getting better, but that isn't the norm.

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Bergeron signed for 10.69% of the cap, after having averaged 32 points a season, for the prior six seasons. He missed a lot of time over that period, but still... his best season during that stretch was a 64 point season and 22 goals. Yes, he'd had that 73 point, 31 goal season, but that was SEVEN years in the rear view mirror.

Meanwhile, Matthews was PPG, and had put up 40 goals.


These just aren't comparable... or even close. Boston got extremely luck with when they had to renogotiate their contracts. Our guys broke out before extending... theirs after.
 
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Marchand and Marner? I mean, did you even look at the details of this before saying anything... it's not even close.

Marchand had been in the league for six full seasons when he signed his deal, with a career high of 61 points, and a second best season of 55 points. He signed a deal worth 8.39% of the cap.

Marchand is more comparable to Nylander at the time of the contract signing, though even Nylander had outperformed Marchand at that point, and he signed for 8.76%

Marner had a 94 point season before signing... attempting to compare that to a 61 point season as a best after six years is ridiculous to be honest.... I mean, Boston got extremely lucky that Marchand somehow just kept on getting better, but that isn't the norm.

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Bergeron signed for 10.69% of the cap, after having averaged 32 points a season, for the prior six seasons. He missed a lot of time over that period, but still... his best season during that stretch was a 64 point season and 22 goals. Yes, he'd had that 73 point, 31 goal season, but that was SEVEN years in the rear view mirror.

Meanwhile, Matthews was PPG, and had put up 40 goals.


These just aren't comparable... or even close. Boston got extremely luck with when they had to renogotiate their contracts. Our guys broke out before extending... theirs after.
The most important thing about those two is they had the skill to elevate their game when it matters and became champions. Gold medals and Stanley Cups.
 
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Vegas traded for Eichel and are one win away from a Cup. I'm asking Ronnie if he wants to role the dice on Matthews and asking for a package starting with Beniers. Does he laugh and hang up or does he listen?
 
The most important thing about those two is they had the skill to elevate their game when it matters and became champions. Gold medals and Stanley Cups.
That's great and all... but that's not how contracts are done, are your comparables are still poor.
 
That's great and all... but that's not how contracts are done, are your comparables are still poor.
i still maintain they are better players that didn’t hose their team and the cap. Most of that is due to team culture and management style, but still.

we’ll see what Matthews does after being called out by several players throughout the NHL.
 
i still maintain they are better players that didn’t hose their team and the cap. Most of that is due to team culture and management style, but still.

we’ll see what Matthews does after being called out by several players throughout the NHL.
It's not about team culture and management though.

It's because they got paid, for how they performed up until their contract was signed. They became better players AFTER their contracts were signed, ours became who they are BEFORE their contracts were signed.

That's the point... it's irrelevant to compare what they did after the contract was signed, to validate whether the contract was at the market price, at the time of signing.

I fully agree with you on Matthews, and as I've often posted, I'm concerned about his durability, and decline in shooting last year, that appears to be related to another wrist issue.
 

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