pnep
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I'll help with the lists for anyone who's interested. I'll stick to the NHL/NHA and the PCHA but if anyone wants the other leagues let me know:
How about postseason All Stars Teams (NHA, PCHA, WHL/WCHL)?
I'll help with the lists for anyone who's interested. I'll stick to the NHL/NHA and the PCHA but if anyone wants the other leagues let me know:
How about postseason All Stars Teams (NHA, PCHA, WHL/WCHL)?
I started to respond before I realized that the thread was a year old, but since you bumped it, I will reply to one of your comments.Just giving this a little bump to get BM's attention...
Chuck Rayner won the Hart in 1950 and he was only a 2nd Team All-Star selection at goaltender. Some voters prefer to give it to the best player in the NHL instead of "the player judged to be the most valuable to his team."I just don't see how you can be the hart runner-up and not be the norris winner.
by the way, at sihrhockey.org, I found a LW, Jim Riley, whose bio says this:
PCHA Second All-Star Team (1920, 1921, 1922)
PCHA First All-Star Team (1923)
I just went to a season and found the highest scoring player who wasn't listed on your pieced-together list for that season, BM67. Due to the relative ease of success with this method, I intend to keep looking for more. Hopefully I can make your lists a lot more complete.
Ernie Parkes, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923) RW
Harry Meeking, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1922, 1923), LW
Archie Briden, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923, 1924), LW
Cully Wilson, RW: PCHA First All-Star Team (1919) WCHL Second All-Star Team (1925)
Corb Denneny, C: PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923) WHL All-Star Team (1926)
Wilfred Hart, LW PCHA All-Star Team (1924)
Duke Keats, C WCHL First All-Star Team (1922, 1923, 1924, 1925). WHL First All-Star Team (1926). (you're missing 1922)
Earl Campbell, D WCHL All-Star Team (1923).
Dick Irvin, C 1st All-Star 1923-24; 2nd All-Star 16-17, 21-22, 25-26 (looks like you are just missing 25-26)
Norris
1917-18 Harry Cameron
1918-19 Harry Cameron
1919-20 Sprague Cleghorn
1920-21 Eddie Gerard
1921-22 George Boucher
1922-23 George Boucher
1923-24 George Boucher
1924-25 Sprague Cleghorn
1925-26 George Boucher
1926-27 Herb Gardiner
1927-28 Eddie Shore
1928-29 Eddie Shore
1929-30 King Clancy
1930-31 Eddie Shore
1931-32 Eddie Shore
1932-33 Eddie Shore
1933-34 King Clancy
1934-35 Eddie Shore
1935-36 Eddie Shore
1936-37 Albert Siebert
1937-38 Eddie Shore
1938-39 Aubbrey Clapper
1939-40 Ebbie Goodfellow
1940-41 Aubbrey Clapper
1941-42 Tom Anderson
1942-43 Earl Seibert
1943-44 Earl Seibert
1944-45 William Hollett
1945-46 Émile Bouchard
1946-47 Ken Reardon
1947-48 Jack Stewart
1948-49 Jack Stewart
1949-50 Ken Reardon
1950-51 Red Kelly
1951-52 Red Kelly
1952-53 Doug Harvey
...
Yes, to be clear, the all-stars were intended to be a team's worth of players. So they had All-Star starters, but also named substitute players to the all-star teams. That is, they were the best players who were playing as subs that season. So the 1st team subs were likely not as good as the 2nd team starters.Note that for the WCHL all-stars in post 29:
When there are more the usual number of players listed for a certain position under "1st Team," the extra players were named as "All Star spares."
Yes, to be clear, the all-stars were intended to be a team's worth of players. So they had All-Star starters, but also named substitute players to the all-star teams. That is, they were the best players who were playing as subs that season. So the 1st team subs were likely not as good as the 2nd team starters.
Not for every season, I don't think. It shouldn't be difficult to find on google, since it was the newspaper (Regina Leader?) choosing these all-star teams rather than the league.Just the man I had hoped would see this (we'll go back to butting heads on the stats board soon enough).
Do you have records of who the all star spares were each season?
Why does Cyclone Taylor's LOH bio say he was a first team all-star everywhere he played for 18 straight seasons, when we can't find his all-star berths on said bio (they are listed for all other players), in "Total Hockey", at SIHR.org, or in the Trail of the Stanley Cup? Is this all folklore?
Yes, LOH says Taylor was 1st Team-All Star every year from 1900-1918.
The Trail itself apparently says "Was regarded as a speedy rushing defender in the east. (Played rover and center upon moving west) He was a great goal scorer and inspirational leader. He was named many times to western all-star teams."
Yet Taylor is only listed on three PCHA All-Star Teams above - 1914, 1915, and 1920 (which is bizarre, considering the number of times he led that league in scoring).
Edit: Given the fact that the PCHA obviously included rovers and only lists an All-Star rover twice up to 1918 (and both times Taylor), do you think we can assume Taylor was the All-Star rover each of those seasons?
Not quite the same thing, but at the end of Vol. 1 of The Trail of the Stanley Cup the author, Charles L. Coleman, selected his all-star team for 1893-1926.
The nominees were:
G: Clint Benedict, Harry Holmes, Georges Vezina, and Hugh Lehman
He selected Clint Benedict.
D: Harry Cameron, Sprague Cleghorn, Eddie Gerard, and Ernie Johnson
He selected Sprague Cleghorn and Ernie Johnson.
Rover: Newsy Lalonde, Mickey MacKay, and Fred Taylor
He selected Newsy Lalonde.
F: Russell Bowie, Harry Broadbent, Jack Darragh, Cy Denneny, Frank Foyston, Harry Hyland, Joe Malone, Frank Nighbor, Didier Pitre, Gordon Roberts, and Ernie Russell
He selected Russell Bowie, Joe Malone and Frank Nighbor.
Interesting stuff but didn't Coleman have a list of the top 10 players of all time around 1950 or so and have a huge omission or was that another author/hockey beat writer?