Rest or Refocus (KK and Laf to Hartford)?
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IronBloodedLion
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A few weeks ago we all thought Kakko arrived. Even last year we were all saying “wow, just wait till he starts scoring.”
Both definitely need a shot of confidence .
Both definitely need a shot of confidence .
bleedblue94
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It would be nice to just see a heartbeat out of either of these guys. Seeing these two in particular shit out is one of the more disappointing things as a fan based on draft stock and all. So disappointing.
Conditioning and strength continue to be an issue w these two guys as well
Conditioning and strength continue to be an issue w these two guys as well
Barnaby
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Seth Jarvis did more tonight than Kakko and Laf have done in their combined 5 seasons. Honestly, these guys aren’t even showing flashes or improvement at this point.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
Add 'high-end' and I'd agree with you. We've developed, or at least played a large role for the following forwards over the past 15ish years:
Dubi
Callahan
Anisimov
Hagelin
Stepan
Kreider
Fast
Miller
Buch
No game breakers, but none were really touted to be. There's a lot of top 6 players there, so we are doing something ok. But all of them, maybe with the exception of Miller where there was reportedly locker room issue with the coach, took time and involved trips to the Pack, benchings and low minute games.
So, are we just impatient with young forwards? Maybe, but all the guys above showed flashes of something as they came up. For this new crop is it a case that we haven't had any real experience with high end talent at an organizational level and don't know how to work with top-end draft picks? Mike and Strome are the only forwards who went high in their draft class and I'd argue there's a difference of expectations between 1/2OA and 5/6OA. Are those two talking to the kids and guiding them through how to manage expectations and stay engaged? I know he's back with CBJ but do we need to go and get someone like Nash back in the fold so that he can approach these guys with an understanding of where they are coming from?
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
Cag29
94! I’m ready for more! LGR!
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17futurecap
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Barnaby
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Sort of is... Jarvis can fly out there and already is showing real confidence. Kakko has been force fed minutes with Zibanejad and Panarin all season long with little to show for it. Most games you need to double check that he’s playing. Anything mildly positive and people lose their minds gushing over him.
Lafreniere was given every chance on the top line to start the season and it was very clear that he wasn’t ready for it. He very seldom stands out and has produced virtually nothing. I think he could def stand to spend some time in Hartford. It’d let him be a key cog again and maybe he can get some confidence and swagger back.
It’s hard to pan the picks when they were both the obvious consensus picks where they were taken, but I think it’s very clear that you need high end speed to really pop in the current NHL. Neither of them seem to have it. Ryan Reaves shouldn’t be a more impactful forward at this point.
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Barnaby
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Honestly, I think it’s two guys who were physically dominant in their respective leagues pre draft who now are run of the mill at best in terms of speed and strength. To this point their skill level hasn’t been enough to overcome that. I’m not sure ‘development’ makes a difference with that.
They are so bad. It’s absolutely depressing. They were can’t miss prospects. I’ve been patient… but this is just demoralizing at this point. Kakko was so good at the start of the season. What happened? I don’t even care about the points. He just looks lethargic.
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BillyCostigan
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Rods coaching also has a lot to do with that, he plays every forward up and down the lineup depending on merit. Jarvis has played with everybody on every line and has developed chemistry with just about every player, he's just been great with whatever role he's been given.
Doesn't seem like GGs coaching allows Rangers to do that and build chemistry with everyone. So Kakko started playing well with Panarin and Strome, got moved to the 1st line and lost his game again. Difference is there with the Rangers, if someone get moved or gets injured everyone stops producing because outside of their respective lines they have 0 chemistry or willpower. So instead of having a fearless player like Jarvis who can play his game with whoevers with him on the ice, you get players who bitch about the lines they're playing on like Laf and Kakko.
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This is funny and I was actually researching this a couple months ago to see if other teams have plugs like them in Player Dev, and the answer was Yes, they do.
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Laffy I'm more willing to stick it out with. I think he could be a really solid player. Not what you'd expect from a #1 over all, but a good player. Kakko seems to still play like he thinks he's in Europe with the larger ice surface and less physicality. When Reaves is threading passes and hitting top shelf shots, it just goes to show that sometimes that skillset you see in Europe can be misleading. It's honestly why I wish we'd standardize rink sizes around the world for this game.
Matz03
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I haven't seen Kakko so allergic to the puck in a while, no confidence at all to make a play, all he's looking to do on the break-out is to flip it to Mika or Kreider asap. Oftentimes when they're not even in a position to accept it or expect it, the play just dies. Just horrible play from him lately. I'm really concerned about his mental makeup, he seems so fragile from that standpoint.
effen
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I don't know why people assume who they were as talents has anything to do with how they may or may not go about instruction.
All physics teachers aren't nuclear scientists. Being a nuclear scientist doesn't mean you'd be a good physics teacher. This is stupid.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
smoneil
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All of those players spent at least two years post draft in the minors or in college, racking up minutes in all situations. Chytil, Kakko, and Lafreniere have collectively spent only 55 games below the NHL level since being drafted (all 55 by Chytil). Laf and Chytil average less than 14 minutes per game for their careers to date. Kakko averages less than 15 (this season, he's averaging 16 minutes ToI/G).
Look at the comparables (kids thrown into the NHL immediately post draft):
-Stutzle was close to 16 minutes TOI/G in his rookie year, and is pushing 18 minutes this year. Plenty of PP time in both years.
-Lucas Raymond didn't play in the NHL last year, but this year, he's averaging almost 18 minutes TOI/G with plenty of PP time.
-Jack Hughes went from about 16 minutes with heavy PP time in his rookie year, to ~19 minutes per game in each of the last two years (still heavy PP usage).
-Kirby Dach only played ~14 minutes his rookie year, but then shot up to 18:30 and 19:30 for each of the last two years.
Having the prospects up with the NHL team is only useful if you are going to play them. Having them up for 4th line minutes, routinely finishing among the bottom 4 or 5 guys in ice time, is an absolute waste. It's like saying that you have a kid that you want to get in shape, and you have a choice between two gyms. One is world class, but the kid is barely allowed to use any of the equipment. The other a little dumpy, but the kid would be viewed as the most important person there. It's more likely to happen if you send the kid to the dumpy gym. Everyone in the NHL knows this. But the motherf***ing Rangers, as usual, had to act like they knew better than the rest of the league how to develop top of the draft talent (you know, based on their experience of never having had such talent in the last 60 years).
LOFIN
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Lol, where were these takes when he looked good early during the season?
Right now Kakko is in a slump, and would deserve to be scratched. I don't think that's an outrageous take. But it is quite funny how despite still lacking in production, almost everyone here loved Kakkos game early on and during the majority of last season as well. Now all of sudden he's not going to be an NHL player anymore?
Frankly, I don't know. They probably should've been sent down when it still made some sense. Kakko during his first season, Laf early on this season. Now, it probably hurts their confidence even more. Kakko would have to clear waivers anyway which would not happen.
