Resigning Strome or Copp? (Doubt team can resign both)

[Shesterkybomb]

Panarin can probably make most centers shine. He’s a play driver.

Honestly, they should try him with Chytil at Center. I bet it would work better than people realize.

Im not sure what people are watching when they watch Chytil to be honest. He has 0 hands, limited hockey iq and vision and i think the worst thing that happened to him was being drafted in the first round because he believes he's a skilled forward where if he was smart he would dump and chase every shift because thats where his strength lies. As much as people want it to happen he's not that guy that can play with a cerebral player like Panarin.

 

[LokiDog]

The strome hate has gotten so out of hand it's extended to Panarin. Some of the Panarin takes recently in the GDTs have made my jaw drop. That said he should be let go

I don’t think anyone has said he SHOULD be let go outright (I could be wrong) but I know I have spoken to the fact that, the way he has settled into playing risky, low percentage give and go with Strome, combined with the lack of backcheck and cheating for offense… I want the Strome relationship to be exiled and need to see Panarin control the game and hustle the way that he used to. There is ONE player in the entire world with a higher cap hit than Panarin. His production is nice, but there is virtually no way anyone watching him this season can be satisfied with the way he’s been playing the games. Panarin is good enough that he can get away with floating and playing sloppy hockey and still produce at an elite level. But at the second highest cap hit in the world, he needs to bring his actual A game and not whatever he’s been playing lately.

 

[OTGHockey]

I was poking around, wondering how much Copp might be looking for...but couldn't find anything reported in a reliable source. Did see some comments about him turning down $4M per for I think 5 years. Part of it I think might have to do with some contentious history in negotiations between Copp and Winnipeg - also refer to his good buddy Jacob Trouba

There's a couple of questions on Copp:
1. He has a concussion history - 4 reported, including one about 7 weeks ago now
2. His goal-scoring touch looks in the same ballpark as Strome, do wonder whether there's a drop off in playmaking...remains to be seen
3. He does bring better face-off presence, and like Strome can play all situations, perhaps a little more physical, but a little less speed

There's also the question of whether he can find some chemistry with Panarin. Wouldn't mind seeing him center that line a bit down the stretch and see how that goes.

As for Strome, I think I'm at the point that he's too risky to tie up $5.5-6M in for a long term. His play has really dropped off, and I have to wonder whether the team can get by with a less-proven option. If Copp's that guy, but he's going to miss games because of injuries, then I'd be more comfortable looking around the market to see if there's another $4M type guy that might be worth taking a shot on.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I find myself disliking Strome more as the season goes on. However, its the regular season.

He's shown some things to me in the past, sticking up for himself and his teammates - which has impressed me. He's been a gamer (at times) and shown up when it counts.

When he's going good and and stringing together games he's a good player. But there are times when its glaringly obvious how one-dimensional his game is. He'll make some lazy plays and take some lazy penalties (though he has cut some of that out of his game). Then he starts to annoy me. Like a lot.

For me, how he performs for this club in the final stretch and especially in the playoffs when the physical, relentless game needs to be ratcheted up - is going to go a long way in my opinion whether or not I'd like him to stay. Because we are looking for a group to take the next step, getting closer to a Cup.

Same goes for Copp in that regard. Im figuring he's that type of player but we will see.

Playoffs are really a different game, physically, emotionally. Some players really elevate their game and fall into almost a robotic performance that adheres to the system the coaching staff wants - and is willing to put it all on the line. In the later rounds when you see the whole team executing that way its a real treat to watch even if there arent any goals being scored. Some players surprise you. Ones you wouldnt expect.

Thats what this team needs to get to and we should be looking to keep players who fit that mold. I havent seen enough of Strome in the postseason to make a call on him (18 games and only 3 with the Rangers that werent really playoff games)

 

[Salsa Shark]

I don’t think anyone has said he SHOULD be let go outright (I could be wrong) but I know I have spoken to the fact that, the way he has settled into playing risky, low percentage give and go with Strome, combined with the lack of backcheck and cheating for offense… I want the Strome relationship to be exiled and need to see Panarin control the game and hustle the way that he used to. There is ONE player in the entire world with a higher cap hit than Panarin. His production is nice, but there is virtually no way anyone watching him this season can be satisfied with the way he’s been playing the games. Panarin is good enough that he can get away with floating and playing sloppy hockey and still produce at an elite level. But at the second highest cap hit in the world, he needs to bring his actual A game and not whatever he’s been playing lately.

I was speaking about how strome should be let to walk. Eh panarins a floater we know that. Great players put up points even when playing ‘below par’. I think that’s true of panarin

 

[LokiDog]

Extension for Copp? Oh yeah, you’re looking at:

 

[Chefrah54]

Copp , that being said where has strome's game gone? I really thought he needed to be a CORE guy for us but as I compare him to copp , it's not even close in just two games of watching copp he is a big upgrade over strome and that's on strome, he definitely doesn't look like a guy playing for a contract... Drury must sign copp, it's a must...then sign Motte and Frankie V , I'd be happy as a pig in poo... I think not hitting on certain draft picks..cough cough..lias, chytil, kravs, and to an extent Kk and laff , there is no big pay day coming to any of these guys on the other hand you have money now for the footsoldiers , guys that are players that are essential to win a cup, like motte and Frankie v , plus signing copp is an absolute must, I want drury to sign all three TBH

 

[Row I Goon]

With 3 points in 2 games since being traded , Copp looks to make the decision damned easy as to who stays and who goes…..

 

[SnowblindNYR]

With 3 points in 2 games since being traded , Copp looks to make the decision damned easy as to who stays and who goes…..

To be fair, I think Strome has 2 points in those games. It's a small sample size still.

 

[Row I Goon]

To be fair, I think Strome has 2 points in those games. It's a small sample size still.

That’s fair.

 

[egelband]

Do we think the Rangers can afford Copp?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Do we think the Rangers can afford Copp?

If we don't sign Strome we can.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Copp easy.

Would be great if Chytil crushes it moving forward and makes things easy for everyone.

 

[Barnaby]

Who was the last player on this team to have those kind of point totals and still be universally disliked by the fanbase? Nedved maybe?

Wash your mouth out with soap. Petr Nedved was a saint!

 

[Whoot Whoot]

every game it’s guaranteed that either Strome or Nemeth take a penalty

 

[TS Quint]

Jet fan here.

Copp is really good at all the things in the game that need to be done but aren't exciting. Great defense, on the boards, turning the puck over, the puck just ends up being in the other team's end more often than not. If you are looking for a guy who looks pretty out there he isn't your guy. He's going to go straight line to where he needs to be and just out compete it is opposition. He just puts the puck where it needs to go so it rarely looks spectacular and he does it very consistently from game to game. From what some of you are saying about Panarin they seem like a good fit together.

Don't expect him to carry the offense, he is more there to enhance it. His ability to have the puck in the other team's end is like a magnified glass. It makes both offensive and defensive lines look better. You want to put Copp on a shutdown line with some grinders, he will play 0-0 hockey against the other team's best. You want him to do the heavy lifting for Panarin, he won't look like he's floating if Copp is out there turning the puck over.

As a Jet fan I like Copp more than most. I think the Rangers absolutely stole from the Jets in this trade. He was 3rd in TOI for the Jets and it seems your coach likes him too. To steal a term from Paul Maurice, Copp is Coach porn. He plays the game the way coaches see it. Doing the little things that might not get noticed right.


Good luck Ranger fans, I'll be watching them in the playoffs.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Jet fan here.

Copp is really good at all the things in the game that need to be done but aren't exciting. Great defense, on the boards, turning the puck over, the puck just ends up being in the other team's end more often than not. If you are looking for a guy who looks pretty out there he isn't your guy. He's going to go straight line to where he needs to be and just out compete it is opposition. He just puts the puck where it needs to go so it rarely looks spectacular and he does it very consistently from game to game. From what some of you are saying about Panarin they seem like a good fit together.

Don't expect him to carry the offense, he is more there to enhance it. His ability to have the puck in the other team's end is like a magnified glass. It makes both offensive and defensive lines look better. You want to put Copp on a shutdown line with some grinders, he will play 0-0 hockey against the other team's best. You want him to do the heavy lifting for Panarin, he won't look like he's floating if Copp is out there turning the puck over.

As a Jet fan I like Copp more than most. I think the Rangers absolutely stole from the Jets in this trade. He was 3rd in TOI for the Jets and it seems your coach likes him too. To steal a term from Paul Maurice, Copp is Coach porn. He plays the game the way coaches see it. Doing the little things that might not get noticed right.


Good luck Ranger fans, I'll be watching them in the playoffs.

You know you say he isn't flashy but his finish on the 5th goal last night (watch it if you haven't yet it was a beauty) was something Dryden Hunt could never do. If he goes to the slot like that Panarin will find him and he converts he'll be a very productive player for us. Seems like a Fast+++ and Strome and Panarin were best with Fast.

 

[Fitzy]

Copp fit like a glove with Panarin and Strome yesterday. He seems like he has better offensive instincts than Hunt (Not terribly difficult) in terms of finding auspicious spots on the ice.

Like a lot of people have said, Panarin-Copp-Kakko is a serious option long term. It might lessen the blow of losing Strome to Panarin a bit if he continues too develop a rapport with Copp as this season clips along.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Copp fit like a glove with Panarin and Strome yesterday. He seems like he has better offensive instincts than Hunt (Not terribly difficult) in terms of finding auspicious spots on the ice.

Like a lot of people have said, Panarin-Copp-Kakko is a serious option long term. It might lessen the blow of losing Strome to Panarin a bit if he continues too develop a rapport with Copp as this season clips along.

I feel Copp is a bigger better offensive Fast, there's no reason that line shouldn't be great.

 

[TS Quint]

You know you say he isn't flashy but his finish on the 5th goal last night (watch it if you haven't yet it was a beauty) was something Dryden Hunt could never do. If he goes to the slot like that Panarin will find him and he converts he'll be a very productive player for us. Seems like a Fast+++ and Strome and Panarin were best with Fast.

I think Jet fans were hard on him for his scoring. He played a lot with Lowry and whatever other winger (it didn't matter who) and all they did was play against the other team's best and kick the puck along the boards in the offensive zone.Of course he wasn't going to score much playing like that. Their job was to keep the other team's top line from scoring and giving their scoring lines who might not have the best defensive centre a better match up. But put on a scoring line I think you have a 20+ goal 50-60 point player who will make his line mates look good. Obviously he's no Panarin offensively but I think he is a component to make a good line, letting the skilled players play a skilled game.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I think Jet fans were hard on him for his scoring. He played a lot with Lowry and whatever other winger (it didn't matter who) and all they did was play against the other team's best and kick the puck along the boards in the offensive zone.Of course he wasn't going to score much playing like that. Their job was to keep the other team's top line from scoring and giving their scoring lines who might not have the best defensive centre a better match up. But put on a scoring line I think you have a 20+ goal 50-60 point player who will make his line mates look good. Obviously he's no Panarin offensively but I think he is a component to make a good line, letting the skilled players play a skilled game.

Panarin and Strome need a gritty forechecking guy on their line, their best season came with Jesper Fast.

BTW, isn't he on pace for 50-60 points already?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Its Copp and its not even a question. To me it was Copp as soon as we got him. Strome is overrated. He gets some points but literally does nothing else. Cant win faceoffs, doesnt play defense, floats on offense, isnt hard on the puck, takes piss poor penalties and honestly it seems like all the pro stromers just look at the stat sheet. Anybody that has some offensive skill not named Hunt should easily be able to put up points with the breadman.

Copp is better in all aspects of the game than Strome. He may not have the sexy numbers but thats because he plays a full 200ft game and helps all over the ice, can win faceoffs, battles everywhere, can play all forward positions, and is a jack of all trades. His only downside is the concussions.

I do also believe that we will be making a deal for a center in the offseason but if its strictly down to Copp or Strome., The answer is very easy. Copp

 

[NickyFotiu]

Im not sure what people are watching when they watch Chytil to be honest. He has 0 hands, limited hockey iq and vision and i think the worst thing that happened to him was being drafted in the first round because he believes he's a skilled forward where if he was smart he would dump and chase every shift because thats where his strength lies. As much as people want it to happen he's not that guy that can play with a cerebral player like Panarin.

That years draft was pretty poor so its hard to complain too much. The hope is that Chytil can hopefully turn in to a guy like Artem Anisimov soon.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

That years draft was pretty poor so its hard to complain too much. The hope is that Chytil can hopefully turn in to a guy like Artem Anisimov soon.

While he probably won't be a Brassard level center anytime soon, Lafreniere-Chytil-Goodrow with Laf and Chytil playing like they are is a very strong 3rd line. We went from our bottom 6 being the worst among playoff teams to a strength of ours in a week. This team always had the goaltending and top end talent. Too bad Nemeth still sucks.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don’t think anyone has said he SHOULD be let go outright (I could be wrong) but I know I have spoken to the fact that, the way he has settled into playing risky, low percentage give and go with Strome, combined with the lack of backcheck and cheating for offense… I want the Strome relationship to be exiled and need to see Panarin control the game and hustle the way that he used to. There is ONE player in the entire world with a higher cap hit than Panarin. His production is nice, but there is virtually no way anyone watching him this season can be satisfied with the way he’s been playing the games. Panarin is good enough that he can get away with floating and playing sloppy hockey and still produce at an elite level. But at the second highest cap hit in the world, he needs to bring his actual A game and not whatever he’s been playing lately.

I think, the playoffs will tell the story.

If he's not stepping up his game and players like Kreider and Trouba are... it's not that I'd want to trade him.... we're forced to make a move. His Cap hit opens up a lot more possibilities.

I really think he just needs to get away from Strome. His game is better suited when he's accompanied with hard working 2way players ( Copp and Kakko ) not another floater. This is by far the worst Strome has looked as a Ranger ( since the break )