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IceNeophyte said:
This is getting tired.
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Le Zairafim said:
The only way to achieve consistency both within a single game than across several games (played by different teams, reffed by different referees) is to call everything, unfortunately.

The more subjective things get, the less consistency you're going to get.
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In all fairness, Florida was used to playing a certain way in the first 3 series. All of a sudden, those same refs are not allowing them to play the same way. The question will always be, why is this and who told these same refs not to allow them. This is why every year people will always think playoffs are rigged. If you look at all other sports, the discrepancy between every round is no where near as much as what we see in the NHL playoffs.
 
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sharknado said:
In all fairness, Florida was used to playing a certain way in the first 3 series. All of a sudden, those same refs are not allowing them to play the same way. The question will always be, why is this and who told these same refs not to allow them. This is why every year people will always think playoffs are rigged. If you look at all other sports, the discrepancy between every round is no where near as much as what we see in the NHL playoffs.
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Every time someone says something like this, all I hear in my head is "The refs rigged the early rounds for the Panthers."
 
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SoupGuru said:
Every time someone says something like this, all I hear in my head is "The refs rigged the early rounds for the Panthers."
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All I am saying is why is a team allowed to play a certain style for 3 rounds and now the same refs don't allow it. You can deflect and fluff it up all you like but this is what people are seeing. This has nothing to do with the Panthers, it has everything to do with the same refs not being consistent. The question is why
 
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sharknado said:
All I am saying is why is a team allowed to play a certain style for 3 rounds and now the same refs don't allow it. You can deflect and fluff it up all you like but this is what people are seeing. This has nothing to do with the Panthers, it has everything to do with the same refs not being consistent. The question is why
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And why were they allowed to play such an obviously rule breaking style for 3 rounds? That's the real "big question".
 
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sharknado said:
All I am saying is why is a team allowed to play a certain style for 3 rounds and now the same refs don't allow it. You can deflect and fluff it up all you like but this is what people are seeing. This has nothing to do with the Panthers, it has everything to do with the same refs not being consistent. The question is why
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Wasn't to benefit the Knights who were beating them up in the physical play. Only when the calls got super tight in Game 3 and it became more of a speed game did the Knights finally lose one.
 
Pi said:
Don't blame the refs. It's loser talk. That's what this whole sub told us when Leafs fans said they haven't won a single game when superstar ref Wes is officiating.

Refs are great. Everything is great.
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Reffing has been great, don't know what everyone is complaining about. :laugh:
 
sharknado said:
In all fairness, Florida was used to playing a certain way in the first 3 series. All of a sudden, those same refs are not allowing them to play the same way. The question will always be, why is this and who told these same refs not to allow them. This is why every year people will always think playoffs are rigged. If you look at all other sports, the discrepancy between every round is no where near as much as what we see in the NHL playoffs.
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I don't disagree with that. Honestly, there are WAY too many similarities with the Habs runs. Not that they play the same way, but our d-men (Weber, Chiarot, Eddy) loved grabbing and holding and got away with a lot, and had to eventually adapt against Tampa (which didn't go well).
 
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VivaLasVegas said:
Serious question: if you truly believed the sport is rigged, then why would you continue to follow it?
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Because I love hockey and I check highlights here and there. I am not wasting my time watching hokey game knowing it's rigged and it is not even my hometown team to cheer for. Hockey wasn't rigged back then. It is easy to notice if they changed the rules from regular season and playoffs. Or even they were consistent from regular season and playoffs in 2011 but became slugfest and rules was changed in 2011 Final and ref didn't do anything is the turning point of being suspiciously rigged. Burrows-Auger was the confirmation and smear campaign against the Canucks aftermath. Even Tim Peel interview says it all. I would not be surprised if it get even worse next postseason unless they clean the house, replacing referees. The point is that if any ref has any bias against a certain team or player, they shouldn't be in the league refereeing a game.
 
coolboarder said:
Because I love hockey and I check highlights here and there. I am not wasting my time watching hokey game knowing it's rigged and it is not even my hometown team to cheer for. Hockey wasn't rigged back then. It is easy to notice if they changed the rules from regular season and playoffs. Or even they were consistent from regular season and playoffs in 2011 but became slugfest and rules was changed in 2011 Final and ref didn't do anything is the turning point of being suspiciously rigged. Burrows-Auger was the confirmation and smear campaign against the Canucks aftermath. Even Tim Peel interview says it all. I would not be surprised if it get even worse next postseason unless they clean the house, replacing referees. The point is that if any ref has any bias against a certain team or player, they shouldn't be in the league refereeing a game.
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If you know this to be 100% a fact than you need to contact is US government and US gambling commission. They will be very interested in this since there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars bet on NHL games and If the league is "fixing" games that amounts to racketeering etc.
So please take your info public and to the proper people
 
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coolboarder said:
Because I love hockey and I check highlights here and there. I am not wasting my time watching hokey game knowing it's rigged and it is not even my hometown team to cheer for. Hockey wasn't rigged back then. It is easy to notice if they changed the rules from regular season and playoffs. Or even they were consistent from regular season and playoffs in 2011 but became slugfest and rules was changed in 2011 Final and ref didn't do anything is the turning point of being suspiciously rigged. Burrows-Auger was the confirmation and smear campaign against the Canucks aftermath. Even Tim Peel interview says it all. I would not be surprised if it get even worse next postseason unless they clean the house, replacing referees. The point is that if any ref has any bias against a certain team or player, they shouldn't be in the league refereeing a game.
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Come on guy, the game isn't rigged.
Oettinger wasn't paid a bunch to be unable to stop a beach ball in game 3, or to score on himself in OT of game 1. And that's about the only way to truly rig the game, is pay off the starting goalie to put a team in a hole.

Sure the refs are biased for/against certain teams how else does Vegas get away with so much, or how do the Avs get away with setting 100 picks a game for Mackinnon, and on and on...
but it isn't outright rigged.
 
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sharknado said:
All I am saying is why is a team allowed to play a certain style for 3 rounds and now the same refs don't allow it. You can deflect and fluff it up all you like but this is what people are seeing. This has nothing to do with the Panthers, it has everything to do with the same refs not being consistent. The question is why
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This isn't really accurate though. They're getting less than one additional PP against per game than they did in the Boston and Carolina series. Relative to their regular season, the Leafs series (-1.35 PPO against per game) is a bigger outlier than this Vegas series so far (+0.95 PPO against per game) and its only four games, one cleanish game would put them right around where they were at in the Boston/Carolina series. Seems like they were only "allowed to play a certain style" against one team...
 
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Be interesting to see which refs show up tomorrow. Is it the ones that don’t call anything or the ones that call everything.
 
M88K said:
Come on guy, the game isn't rigged.
Oettinger wasn't paid a bunch to be unable to stop a beach ball in game 3, or to score on himself in OT of game 1. And that's about the only way to truly rig the game, is pay off the starting goalie to put a team in a hole.

Sure the refs are biased for/against certain teams how else does Vegas get away with so much, or how do the Avs get away with setting 100 picks a game for Mackinnon, and on and on...
but it isn't outright rigged.
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Rigging would require competence.

This is just a laughable product that nobody can figure out. Game 3 had 12 PPs, Game 4 had one (and the one they called was just braindead). Until refs get more accountability the product will remain a shit one. Get rid of game management and just call it as you see it.
 
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As a neutral fan I really don't think Vegas is getting rigged calls.

If anything I'd say Florida is fortunate regarding game 4 that they don't see a suspension on Tkachuk so any Hockey Fans calling this rigged I think have some blinders on or some real hate for Vegas.
 
Drakon said:
And why were they allowed to play such an obviously rule breaking style for 3 rounds? That's the real "big question".
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A parade to the penalty box has never been how the playoffs have been played (7 PP's in game 1 for the Knights), the finals have quickly turned into a skills competition. I don't think its fixed, I think in that setting the Knights are the better team. If you going to allow both teams to play playoff hockey I think its a much closer series....I still think the Knights may be better but its a different series all together. The end of game 4 was frustration from not being able to play there style of hockey and losing at the game they have been forced into playing. The Panthers have pushed the boundaries all playoffs, nothing has changed other than everything has been a penalty in this round to the point where I turned it off to watch some of the Yankees game...yes I turned on BASEBALL for more exciting TV.....unacceptable for the NHL.

KrisLetAngry said:
As a neutral fan I really don't think Vegas is getting rigged calls.

If anything I'd say Florida is fortunate regarding game 4 that they don't see a suspension on Tkachuk so any Hockey Fans calling this rigged I think have some blinders on or some real hate for Vegas.
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I think "rigged" is a bad word for it....Most hockey fans aren't used to seeing the amount of powerplays being called in the playoffs....it dilutes the game IMO quite a bit.
 
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CaptDenisPotvin said:
I think "rigged" is a bad word for it....Most hockey fans aren't used to seeing the amount of powerplays being called in the playoffs....it dilutes the game IMO quite a bit.
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Fair enough. I can definitely agree with this. Last game was low but the first 3 had more.

I feel this has to do a lot with how the game is being played.

I look back at other playoffs in my memory and can say this playoffs final has some buffoonery going on that would increase it
 
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