Red Wings quietly have the deepest defensive group in the league

[NyQuil]

“Seider had a down year because of Chiarot.”

“We also have Chiarot!”

 

[peconcan]

I’m so glad you have Justin Holl to play shutdown minutes

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Then you have another potential 20 points and 50+ PIM from Chiarot

This isn't a good thing; this means around 5-6 goals against. I.e. 2-3 more games lost.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

My sides

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not to get into a dick measuring contest here, but

Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Pesce
Skjei - DeAngelo
Jones - Chatfield
Coghlan

Canes are carrying two guys in the press box who played complete seasons last year. Their #9 man has 105 games of NHL experience at age 25.

Only two of those players are over 30 (Burns and Orlov) and according to HF’s recent poll series, the top pair is two of the top-25 defensemen in the league. Orlov, Pesce, Skjei would all be strong contenders for top-50 placement as well.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

The defense is the one area that I haven't liked what Yzerman has done to the team. It's big, lacks mobility, skill, and transition ability.

I am not agreeing with the point of thread. They have a ways to go. It certainly doesn't lack mobility though. The prospects that are coming to replace a few of these guys are big excellent skaters, but that is basically clearly what Yzerman believes in. He likes big rangy D-man that can skate.

Seider will have to do a lot of heavy lifting, though if Edvinsson comes off injury and looks anything like he did in his 9 game stint pretty soon teams will have the reality of playing 45+ minutes a night against one of Seider or Edvinsson if they split them and they have everything you listed as problems for an opponent. I don't think it is this year, but in a couple years the Wings D is going to be absolutely miserable to play against.

Having a true #1 helps your defense a lot, I think Seider can step forward into that top 5 D conversation this year. He also helps other guys slot into a lot easier situations because of how good he is in all three zones and how well he tilts the ice. Walman and Seider were excellent together so there are two that have mobility, skill and transition ability in spades.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

So in response to the ridiculous thread shitting on Yzerman, spurred by his trading a 4th round pick to upgrade his RHD position... You created a thread with a ridiculous claim that's only going to backfire and further fan the flames.

Why?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I'm going to assume the OP is either satire or is in retaliation for another thread mocking the Wings' defense.

 

[surixon]

I am not agreeing with the point of thread. They have a ways to go. It certainly doesn't lack mobility though. The prospects that are coming to replace a few of these guys are big excellent skaters, but that is basically clearly what Yzerman believes in. He likes big rangy D-man that can skate.

Seider will have to do a lot of heavy lifting, though if Edvinsson comes off injury and looks anything like he did in his 9 game stint pretty soon teams will have the reality of playing 45+ minutes a night against one of Seider or Edvinsson if they split them and they have everything you listed as problems for an opponent. I don't think it is this year, but in a couple years the Wings D is going to be absolutely miserable to play against.

Having a true #1 helps your defense a lot, I think Seider can step forward into that top 5 D conversation this year. He also helps other guys slot into a lot easier situations because of how good he is in all three zones and how well he tilts the ice. Walman and Seider were excellent together so there are two that have mobility, skill and transition ability in spades.

Sorry I meant for the next few years. I don't like the overpriced vets he's brought in to round out his current dcore. I like their long term prognosis much better with some of their prospects but I don't think he's built a dcore that can get them in over the next year or two.

 

[Synesthesia]

The entire OP reads like if you asked ChatGPT to generate a run-of-the-mill HF nonsensical homer thread, and excelled at it

 

[Pavels Dog]

I'm going to assume the OP is either satire or is in retaliation for another thread mocking the Wings' defense.

When you assume you make an ass out of u and me

 

[Oddbob]

UGH to the quietly business! Enough HF!

 

[HabzSauce]

You make a good argument even tho im not as optimistic. I like their depth but with so little firepower up front, I still don't see them making the playoffs.

I'm nitpicking but Husso being a top 5 goalie in the Atlantic isn't saying much at all. League wide he's most defs not a top 10 goalie, and maybe not even top 20.

That kind of a build requires a stud goalie IMO. If they had a guy like Saros or Sorokin, I think they not only make the playoffs but could even surprise and go deep.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Well
It's you versus the rest of the board.

If the Red Wings D corps becomes the best in the league this year you can make a thread or re bump this saying I told you so.

I don't even have them in my top 10

 

[MS]

I can't really find any other team aside from Vegas and Boston that has a more well rounded, balanced and potential threat line up than the Wings.

Gostisbehere, Petry, Määttä, that's 90-100 points alone from #4-6 guys. I don't think there's any team with that kind of scoring punch from depth d-men. Not to mention Seider having a down year last season due to Chiarot reasons. He's easily good for 50 points from the blueline.

Then you have another potential 20 points and 50+ PIM from Chiarot, and Walman who could definitely build on last season potting perhaps another 30pts along with great analytics. That's not even mentioning Holl who could be another Larry Murphy type player who thrives when going from Toronto to Detroit. Even Edvinsson could be good for 20-30 points including 5-10 goals.

Husso is a top 5 goaltender in the division, and there's Larkin and Copp (albeit overpaid) are 2 elite two-way forwards who make their wingers much better than they are (Perron, Fabbri, Raymond and Debrincat).

With the amount of team defense this team has with the additions of Compher, Kostin and Fischer, having a bit weaker scoring forwards is manageable. Wings were good at limiting high-danger chances last season even with atrocious depth, in large part thanks to Lalonde and his brains. Special teams was an issue but that should be improved.

I just can't really think of a more well balanced group, especially the defensive group, with an average age of 29 years old.

There is only 1 PP1 position available and if Seider is there and scores 50 points, your Gostisbehere/Maatta/Petry crowd aren't coming close to 100 combined points.

Detroit's defense has one really good player in Seider - who is also young and still learning and probably more of a #2 at this point - and then a bunch of 4-5 guys. They'll have a good 3rd pairing but that isn't remotely a top NHL defensive group.

30 points from Jake Walman?!?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

“Seider had a down year because of Chiarot.”

“We also have Chiarot!”

I thought that was funny as well... Any Defense with Chairot playing 18 minutes a night isn't anywhere near the Top 10. Let alone the best lmao.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I can't really find any other team aside from Vegas and Boston that has a more well rounded, balanced and potential threat line up than the Wings.

Gostisbehere, Petry, Määttä, that's 90-100 points alone from #4-6 guys. I don't think there's any team with that kind of scoring punch from depth d-men. Not to mention Seider having a down year last season due to Chiarot reasons. He's easily good for 50 points from the blueline.

Then you have another potential 20 points and 50+ PIM from Chiarot, and Walman who could definitely build on last season potting perhaps another 30pts along with great analytics. That's not even mentioning Holl who could be another Larry Murphy type player who thrives when going from Toronto to Detroit. Even Edvinsson could be good for 20-30 points including 5-10 goals.

Husso is a top 5 goaltender in the division, and there's Larkin and Copp (albeit overpaid) are 2 elite two-way forwards who make their wingers much better than they are (Perron, Fabbri, Raymond and Debrincat).

With the amount of team defense this team has with the additions of Compher, Kostin and Fischer, having a bit weaker scoring forwards is manageable. Wings were good at limiting high-danger chances last season even with atrocious depth, in large part thanks to Lalonde and his brains. Special teams was an issue but that should be improved.

I just can't really think of a more well balanced group, especially the defensive group, with an average age of 29 years old.

Justin Holl is Larry Murphy now???? People say Leaf fans are delusional.

Justin Holl is going to HATED in Detroit when you see how often he loses games

 

[Canuck Luck]

I can't really find any other team aside from Vegas and Boston that has a more well rounded, balanced and potential threat line up than the Wings.

Gostisbehere, Petry, Määttä, that's 90-100 points alone from #4-6 guys. I don't think there's any team with that kind of scoring punch from depth d-men. Not to mention Seider having a down year last season due to Chiarot reasons. He's easily good for 50 points from the blueline.

Then you have another potential 20 points and 50+ PIM from Chiarot, and Walman who could definitely build on last season potting perhaps another 30pts along with great analytics. That's not even mentioning Holl who could be another Larry Murphy type player who thrives when going from Toronto to Detroit. Even Edvinsson could be good for 20-30 points including 5-10 goals.

Husso is a top 5 goaltender in the division, and there's Larkin and Copp (albeit overpaid) are 2 elite two-way forwards who make their wingers much better than they are (Perron, Fabbri, Raymond and Debrincat).

With the amount of team defense this team has with the additions of Compher, Kostin and Fischer, having a bit weaker scoring forwards is manageable. Wings were good at limiting high-danger chances last season even with atrocious depth, in large part thanks to Lalonde and his brains. Special teams was an issue but that should be improved.

I just can't really think of a more well balanced group, especially the defensive group, with an average age of 29 years old.

LOL OP you title it the deepest defensive pool in the league and then in the very first sentence mention 2 teams being more well rounded and balanced. Not sure if you understand the definition of deepest.

Detroit also doesn't have a top 3 d-core. Probably half the league has a deeper and more balanced d-core. Infact lets take a look:

Boston (as you mentioned), Buffalo, Calgary, Carolina, Colorado, Columbus, Los Angeles, New Jersey, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Vegas (as you mentioned),

Then you have arguably comparables with Edmonton, Minnesota, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Toronto, Vancouver, Washington.

At best it can be argued Detroit has the 14th deepest defensive group in the league. Far cry from deepest or 3rd deepest

Also congratulations on having a top 5/8 goalie in arguably the weakest division of goalies. Not sure why thats something to boast about.

This entire post has to be satirical right?

 

[Pavels Dog]

Vancouver

Not as deep as last year

 

[norrisnick]

There might be a hint of validity to this if Edvinsson is playing 20+ a night, but until then... not so much.

 

[wintersej]

Ullmark, Swayman, Vasi, Samsonov, Bob, Knight, UPL, Levi… I’m not sure he is top 5 in the 8 team division.

 

[swiftwin]

This is a meme thread, right? right???

 

[LemonSauceD]

I can't really find any other team aside from Vegas and Boston that has a more well rounded, balanced and potential threat line up than the Wings.

Gostisbehere, Petry, Määttä, that's 90-100 points alone from #4-6 guys. I don't think there's any team with that kind of scoring punch from depth d-men. Not to mention Seider having a down year last season due to Chiarot reasons. He's easily good for 50 points from the blueline.

Then you have another potential 20 points and 50+ PIM from Chiarot, and Walman who could definitely build on last season potting perhaps another 30pts along with great analytics. That's not even mentioning Holl who could be another Larry Murphy type player who thrives when going from Toronto to Detroit. Even Edvinsson could be good for 20-30 points including 5-10 goals.

Husso is a top 5 goaltender in the division, and there's Larkin and Copp (albeit overpaid) are 2 elite two-way forwards who make their wingers much better than they are (Perron, Fabbri, Raymond and Debrincat).

With the amount of team defense this team has with the additions of Compher, Kostin and Fischer, having a bit weaker scoring forwards is manageable. Wings were good at limiting high-danger chances last season even with atrocious depth, in large part thanks to Lalonde and his brains. Special teams was an issue but that should be improved.

I just can't really think of a more well balanced group, especially the defensive group, with an average age of 29 years old.

Canucks quietly have the deepest forward group in the league

I can’t really find any other team aside from St Louis and Colorado that has a more well rounded, balanced and potential threat line up than the Canucks. Miller, Pettersson, Horvat, that’s 90-100 goals alone down the middle. I don’t think there’s any team with that type of scoring punch down...

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This was my satirical thread from a year ago. The OP just copy pasted and switched the names Lol.

And yes it was me who started the whole quietly deepest team thing Lol. Last summer, I was making a whole bunch of troll threads which got me suspended a couple of times. I never thought this thread would blow up the way it did.

What was absolutely hilarious was that some of my fellow Canucks fans were defending my post. Not once did I even ATTEMPT to defend that thread

I am very proud of that thread. My mission was completed.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Not as deep as last year

im now convinced you either dont know anything about hockey or made this thread to troll for the laughs.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Sorry I meant for the next few years. I don't like the overpriced vets he's brought in to round out his current dcore. I like their long term prognosis much better with some of their prospects but I don't think he's built a dcore that can get them in over the next year or two.

I don't mind them a bunch. I think they help and they are clear stop gaps that work with the ELCs that are aligned on the team.

I mean if the contention is that Ghost, Petry, Chiarot are all washed fine. There are flaws in some of these guys but that is true of a lot of guys in the league. For instance 5 of these guys averaged 20+ minutes a game last year. Walman averaged 19:43, his went up considerably over the second half of the season taking minutes from Chiarot. Maatta was at 18:42. So some of these guys are going to be asked to do less. But the idea they are all 4's or 5's might not be accurate. Walman at least when playing with Seider didn't look out of place in the top 4, I expect another step. Maatta was massively responsible for getting Hronek's big return.

Chiarot is probably the guy I like the least. He is big and skates well though, he just doesn't play consistently safe enough hockey. He does a great job of sticking up for teammates. I am hoping the third pairing is a rotation of him, Holl and Maatta. I think the game where they wilted against Ottawa for instance isn't happening with this group, which is what Yzerman promised in his exist interviews.

They are a ways off still in my opinion and this comes more down to when Edvinsson and Wallinder are ready. However, for those picking them to finish rock bottom and I have seen that in threads I think it has to do with hating the defensive group. I don't think they are that bad, but still more middle of the pack until these guys are cycled out for a couple of the big time prospects.