Friedman: Red Wings interested in Dylan Cozens

[OldnotDeadWings]

I'd want Cozens and can understand completely the apparent interest SY has in him. Even if Year 3 for him was an outlier due to shooting pct, it was still a good season for a 21yo who does more than just produce points. It was also a natural progression for him from his first two years and no reason at the time of his new contract to think he wouldn't continue improving. Fans are stuck in the here and now of his struggles since then and the obvious under-performance relative to Cap hit, but there are some obvious issues in Buffalo that get in the way of young players being successful. Of course there is risk in acquiring him, but there's also the potential of a significant payoff. Fans who don't want any risk in their team's acquisitions are out of touch with reality.

The problem is not that Detroit might be interested in a fair deal, it's that the right deal for Buffalo may require giving up more than Cozens if the goal is immediate and lasting roster improvement. Detroit doesn't have that calibre of player available for trade. We're keeping them. The best asset Detroit could give would be a protected first-rounder, plus whatever. If Buffalo isn't interested, then a trade won't happen. Cozens is not a Cap dump and isn't going to be acquired for scraps. A lot of the Detroit fan noise about this "40 point" player is just nonsense.

 

[BB79]

There is nothing I’d want from Detroit In a cozens trade. They don’t make good trade partners what so ever

Agreed. I wouldn't even trade a bucket of buffalo wings for a crappy Little Cesar's pizza

 

[ShakenNotStirred]

Agreed. I wouldn't even trade a bucket of buffalo wings for a crappy Little Cesar's pizza

The math adds up.

$5 hot and nasty

Vs

At least $85 in chicken wings

 

[TBF1972]

You have once again, entirely dodged the questions.

What to you is the value of a guy who’s about to have his 2nd in a row ~40pt season while being paid $7.1m ?

It’s a pretty cut and dry question big fella.

why should he answer your question? you wouldn't like it anyway. he doesn't want futures and he isn't intetested in the available players from detroit's roster.

buffalo fans have stated their needs multiple times: top6 center and top4 rhd. translated to detroit's roster this is larkin or seider. both not available for cozens plus adds from buffalo. let it go or troll on. your decision.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Come on mods close the thread...it's nothing but whining and hot takes...

Cozens is a Buffalo Saber and it should remain that way...he is not a good fit with Detroits roster and Detroit is not a good trade partner with Buffalo (for anyone)..

 

[John Mandalorian]

One Dylan (Dylan Larkin) is obviously not enough. Bring in all the Dylans: Dylan Cozens, Dylan McKay, Bob Dylan,...

 

[deca guard]

detroits 2025 1st top 10 protected + copp/compher (c) + veleno (c)

 

[newfy]

TCozens is not a Cap dump and isn't going to be acquired for scraps. A lot of the Detroit fan noise about this "40 point" player is just nonsense.

Yeah its kinda weak to just talk about him as a 40 points player. He's clearly young, has the potential to be more and isn't just a scorer. Its fair to say he's not a complete stud 30 goal guy either and be iffy on his cap hit given his future outlook though too.

I think he would upgrade Detroits second line but at his cap hit it might not make sense given what Buffalo might want.

Come on mods close the thread...it's nothing but whining and hot takes...

Cozens is a Buffalo Saber and it should remain that way...he is not a good fit with Detroits roster and Detroit is not a good trade partner with Buffalo (for anyone)..

Out of all the dumb trade proposal threads and bs on this part of the forum, why would the mods close the trade rumour thread that has had the best insider in hockey discussing it as being close to happening? With upper management of both teams clearly actively scouting each other?

You saying the thread should be closed because it doesn't seem like a good fit to you doesn't matter when you have Friedman talking about a trade being close. If you don't like the whining don't open the thread

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Yeah its kinda weak to just talk about him as a 40 points player. He's clearly young, has the potential to be more and isn't just a scorer. Its fair to say he's not a complete stud 30 goal guy either and be iffy on his cap hit given his future outlook though too.

I think he would upgrade Detroits second line but at his cap hit it might not make sense given what Buffalo might want.

Out of all the dumb trade proposal threads and bs on this part of the forum, why would the mods close the trade rumour thread that has had the best insider in hockey discussing it as being close to happening? With upper management of both teams clearly actively scouting each other?

You saying the thread should be closed because it doesn't seem like a good fit to you doesn't matter when you have Friedman talking about a trade being close. If you don't like the whining don't open the thread

Ok...

You think he is a good fit and if so, at what cost?

Poster's offering scrubs like Copp or Compher is ridiculous...that's what turns the thread into a whine session..

If SY and Adam's were serious, a move would have been made...at this point this thread is just grasping at straws and back and forth pettiness..

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Yeah its kinda weak to just talk about him as a 40 points player. He's clearly young, has the potential to be more and isn't just a scorer. Its fair to say he's not a complete stud 30 goal guy either and be iffy on his cap hit given his future outlook though too.

I think he would upgrade Detroits second line but at his cap hit it might not make sense given what Buffalo might want.

Yeah, there's no question Cozens' trade value is depressed, which complicates things. I like him as a second-line RW but C is not out of the question either.

Acquiring Cozens makes more sense for Detroit than anything Detroit could offer making sense for Buffalo. If what the Sabres want is an established youngish top six C or top four RD, it would probably cost more than Cozens and involve teams that are much better trade partners than Detroit. The only avenue for the Wings in all this could be via a three-team deal.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Ok...

You think he is a good fit and if so, at what cost?

Poster's offering scrubs like Copp or Compher is ridiculous...that's what turns the thread into a whine session..

If SY and Adam's were serious, a move would have been made...at this point this thread is just grasping at straws and back and forth pettiness..

Yzerman and other GM's have stated that trades don't happen over a weekend or a week for that matter.

Typically it is a month+ long decision. The fact that this has apparently been happening since mid/late December and is still ongoing, means that this is most likely going to happen at the end of January or beginning of February. Very latest would be the trade deadline where the rubber meets the road and one GM finally gives up something they were trying to hold on to (in this case like an extra pick or player Detroit would rather not get rid of).

Anywho, I think if this does end up happening (would rather be going for rasmus andersson in calgary but whatever) it will probably be something like Veleno + higher pick like a 1st/2nd or something? + prospect for Cozens. If Buffalo is willing to eat salary (doubt it) then Detroit would need to change the pick to a definite first and probably higher end prospect that could potentially make Buffalo's team now or after deadline (i'd hate it but imagine Soderblom on a line with thompson? my god the sequoias!)

Cozens will obviously be an upgrade over some of our current centers, even with the cap hit. He'd be more useful than veleno, probably copp, and rasmussen when it comes to point production (now or in the future). I have seen somewhere (here or twitter probably) that we could put him on the wing and I'd be very curious how he would look with Larkin and Raymond or between Tank and Berggren.

Oh well, we will find out in a month or so lol

 

[nbwingsfan]

why should he answer your question? you wouldn't like it anyway. he doesn't want futures and he isn't intetested in the available players from detroit's roster.

buffalo fans have stated their needs multiple times: top6 center and top4 rhd. translated to detroit's roster this is larkin or seider. both not available for cozens plus adds from buffalo. let it go or troll on. your decision.

Once again… another person who simply can’t tell me what the value of a 40pt $7.1m player is

Probably because Buffalo fans know deep down it’s not very good

 

[Archie Lee]

I haven’t read the entire thread, so apologies if this is repetitive. The only way a Cozens to Detroit trade makes sense to me is if the Sabres have determined that with an internal cap, they can’t pay Cozens what they are paying him while also having enough depth to be a playoff team. In that scenario, Cozens for a useful middle-six vet, who makes $2 million less, and a good prospect, might make some sense. If keeping Cozens means they can’t extend both Peterka and Zucker, then maybe they are better off with Copp and Peterka and Zucker (and a good young prospect) than they are with just Cozens and Peterka. FYI: I don’t think the Sabres think this way and they would choose Cozens and Peterka, but I think there would be logic to such a deal.

 

[Fjordy]

Our GM and AGM valued Kasper very highly at the draft and they won't trade Cozens unless he return, Imo.

 

[Hasbro]

You misheard the report. The headline actually is Red Wings interested in their cousins.

 

[Snuggs]

Knee-slapper.

 

[newfy]

Ok...

You think he is a good fit and if so, at what cost?

Poster's offering scrubs like Copp or Compher is ridiculous...that's what turns the thread into a whine session..

If SY and Adam's were serious, a move would have been made...at this point this thread is just grasping at straws and back and forth pettiness..

It doesn't really matter what fans think the return will be, people can whine if they want but it makes sense to have a thread on here open when there's legit speculation about it. How do you know they aren't serious? If Friedman is saying it is/they were close, I believe that more than you saying you think it would be done if it was serious. Half the whining in this thread is fans that think they know what their gm is thinking, but they dont

I also don't think that offering Copp or Compher is ridiculous at all. Buffalo might punt on this current season but want an NHL vet that can play center to fill Cozens hole in the lineup.

I'm not big on making up make believe packages and letting it play out.... but if the wings traded Kasper and a prospect/pick, with Copp or Compher in the package going the other way for a Cozens package... the Sabres get a good young center prospect to help them in the coming years, and a 40-50 point center to fill the hole left in their line up.

Just because fans say something like only Larkin and Seider are guys the Sabres would want doesn't mean that's the truth. You know Yzerman isn't trading either of them, yet Buffalos agm is still following Detroit around scouting them