Post-Game Talk: Ready. Set. Terrible | Jets lose 4-1

[Roooski]

I can't stand the joking around stuff when your losing. Burmi should be a healthy scratch for next game to let him dwell on that.

You can't blame Pavelec for all the goals but glove high.....really? Ok one was a penalty shot but you know that every team has the book on him and how many times do you have to get beat glove side before you actually start to work on your glove hand!!

 

[Grind]

Can anyone explain why Burmi was sitting on the bench in the first place? If there is a reason I must have missed it.

I saw one bad play (the one touch pass-turnover at our blueline).

Him and antro didn't look anyworse then anyone else out there, so i'm not quite sure why they were singled out.

 

[Grind]

I can't stand the joking around stuff when your losing. Burmi should be a healthy scratch for next game to let him dwell on that.

You can't blame Pavelec for all the goals but glove high.....really? Ok one was a penalty shot but you know that every team has the book on him and how many times do you have to get beat glove side before you actually start to work on your glove hand!!

i would blame him for 3 of the 4.

 

[Benched]

Was at this game (and was actually on the ice for that stupid obstacle course thing at the first intermission for those that were there )

Just wanted to say there were tons of Jets fans there. Cool to see the tradition for good hockey fans still lives on in Winnipeg. Sat near a few of your backers. Had no problems.

It was kind of saddening to see your team just float around in the 3rd, from the start to the end of the period. No effort at all from anyone. I'm used to seeing that from the Panthers and know how unbelievably frustrating it is. These guys get paid to play 60 minutes. The Jets played 40 last night.

Some decent chances for you guys. I have no doubt that if Clemmensen was in net, you would have scored at least three, maybe four but Markstrom is actually NHL caliber. And he's special. Kid is going to be great. On your only goal, he was screened by the biggest guy on our team, Nolan Yonkman. He's 6'6", 280. Not to mention the defensive breakdown but one mistake is better than the thousands we've been committing on a nightly basis until now.

This was honestly the best game the Panthers have played this year. It had to happen against someone.

See you guys on Friday.

 

[theamazingchris]

i would blame him for 3 of the 4.

Yup. People are saying our effort wasn't there, and yeah that's true. But let's face it, confidence starts in the net, and that's precisely where there isn't any on this team.

 

[Huffer]

That one really hurt to watch.

I'm not one to advocate a "blow up", or for Chevy to start mass trading as it's most likely you're just making lateral moves in a trade, with equal chances to both win and lose any trade as well.

But that said, if there are more performances like that this season, and we are out of it at the deadline, I could get behind more trades at the deadline than just our upcoming UFA's.

 

[Grind]

That one really hurt to watch.

I'm not one to advocate a "blow up", or for Chevy to start mass trading as it's most likely you're just making lateral moves in a trade, with equal chances to both win and lose any trade as well.

But that said, if there are more performances like that this season, and we are out of it at the deadline, I could get behind more trades at the deadline than just our upcoming UFA's.

,mmhmm i'm getting to the point where thinking even though we have some good pieces, the gears just aren't going to line up. We might end up with the right "quality" of pieces, just not the right pieces for eachother.

I don't think any one specific player should be traded, as in no one player IMO is "ruining" it, just that they may need to shuffle the deck, and because of that, almost anyone could go.

 

[SensibleGuy]

This was honestly the best game the Panthers have played this year. It had to happen against someone.

yeah, appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think many of us Jets fans are buying that anymore. This team (The Jets) has developed a real persistant habit of being fodder for other teams to break their slumps on. Last year, we had the somewhat pleasing habit of being "streak killers" to quite a few really good teams and that sorta balanced out our weak efforts. This year, we just seem to have some real motivation issues and a complete and utter lack of anything resembling killer instinct. We had a nice little run recently where we won a few on the road and things were looking positive, but the truth is even in those road wins we didn't really play great hockey. There were whole periods in those games where we took a nap and then managed to pot a lucky one to stay in the game.

I'm also a little weary of the "well boys lets put it behind us. Forward HO!" mantra. I think the team needs to be made to ruminate on this one for a while. I think they need to have their noses rubbed in it a bit - to the degree they start to get pissed off about it. Then maybe they'll take that anger out on the opponents for a change...

 

[Libertyhaze]

This team is not as bad as some people think, I agree with the above comments about pavs/team confidence. Put monty back in net

 

[SCP Guy]

Is it really too much to ask that OUR team starts a few scrums and give/get a few face washes late in the 3rd period of a game you are getting killed in???? You don't have to fight but show a little passion guys, show you care at least a little bit FFS!!!! I know we are not the best team...I know we need to add a few pieces before we are legit....But no reason to not show work ethic and desire EVERY NIGHT!

 

[Guerzy]

,mmhmm i'm getting to the point where thinking even though we have some good pieces, the gears just aren't going to line up. We might end up with the right "quality" of pieces, just not the right pieces for eachother.

I don't think any one specific player should be traded, as in no one player IMO is "ruining" it, just that they may need to shuffle the deck, and because of that, almost anyone could go.

Very well said. I am at the point where I couldn't care less if we dealt Little, Wheeler, Burmistrov, etc. I like these guys, but at some point here I think something has to give. Of course it may be a "lateral" move in terms of talent, think Cole/Ryder, Cammalleri/Bourque, etc.. trades, but the point will may be to change the culture and habits of the room.

I said it a few weeks ago and it's worth repeating, not that I am the only one by any means who has said it, but for my own personal liking and observations, I've seen far too much of the same team this season as I did last season, and I don't like it. Whether it be goaltending, the PP, the PK, forwards, defence, our approach, habits, etc. Too much of the same for my own personal liking.

 

[Positive]

Clitsome was statistically the best defenseman out there last night. 21:12, 4 hits, a block, a takeaway, and a +1 rating. Not on for any of the opposition's goals.

 

[Guerzy]

This team is not as bad as some people think, I agree with the above comments about pavs/team confidence. Put monty back in net

I have been under this mindset from day 1, but I am honestly questioning it now. I really began to question it after we slumped after starting the season 3-1-1. But then it seemed like while the room was hitting a low, they seemed to rally together, get fed up, and it showed in their road record. But to respond like they have against Washington and now Florida... it is very, very worrisome to me.

To date, this is a group who just cannot, for whatever the reason(s), put it together. They cannot sustain a winning environment, approach, intensity, etc. Noel said it best last night when he referred to the team for some reason not being able to pull itself above .500 when they lead you to believe that they can and will.

2 steps forward, 1 step back. 1 step forward, 2 steps back. That's how this team carries itself.

 

[Positive]

Maybe not as bad as we think, but also not as good as we thought.

 

[Positive]

From Friesen and the Sun:

The Jets had more passengers than VIA on this night, Alex Burmistrov, Nik Antropov, Antti Miettinen, Olli Jokinen and Bryan Little combining for, wait for it, one shot on goal.

 

[tntkid]

I think a new coach is what we need.
Ruff would be a good fit & he won't be available forever.

The only guy I would trade is Antropov & they are only going to get a bag of pucks for him.
The Jets need to spend some cash & pick up some free agents this summer.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I said it a few weeks ago and it's worth repeating, not that I am the only one by any means who has said it, but for my own personal liking and observations, I've seen far too much of the same team this season as I did last season, and I don't like it. Whether it be goaltending, the PP, the PK, forwards, defence, our approach, habits, etc. Too much of the same for my own personal liking.

Agreed. That is why it is my belief that they need to now begin clearing the deck; not so much blowing it up entirely but rather to simply open some spots up for the future. I'd much prefer to watch this team next season if it were comprised of a few more kids that busted their ***** each and every night, even if they were to struggle as a result.

I'm not at all upset by the game last night; look at the lineup. Pavs isn't to blame when playing behind an AHL grade D. The coach isn't to blame when the GM delivers him a lineup akin to the one iced last night. Continuing along the same path and expecting different results gets you nowhere. It is soon time for some significant changes to be made here.

 

[Huffer]

,mmhmm i'm getting to the point where thinking even though we have some good pieces, the gears just aren't going to line up. We might end up with the right "quality" of pieces, just not the right pieces for eachother.

I don't think any one specific player should be traded, as in no one player IMO is "ruining" it, just that they may need to shuffle the deck, and because of that, almost anyone could go.

Those are sort of my thoughts as well. I just don't want to say something like, "we need to make a bunch of trades", because I really don't want to see trades for trades sake.

But, after a full season and now a bit of a shortened one, if Chevy now has an idea as to who the "passengers" are, and who the "players" are, I am fine with trading the passengers. BUT, I would not be ok with just trading them for 50 cents on the dollar. All the trades have to make sense, and they have to make us a better team.

Case in point, Burmistrov. I'm a fan of the kid. I like what he brings to the team and think he's got top 6 talent. If Chevy feels like he is a passenger (not saying he is or isn't, just a hypothetical), then I wouldn't be against trading him if it made the team better. But I can't get behind a bunch of knee jerk trades for less than full value, just for a "shake up".

 

[WaveRaven]

This is team that was as close to having the second overall pick as it was to making the playoffs last year. This should be no suprise that they aren't competitive night after night.

We will have a few more years of this. This team has absolutely no depth and nobody close to being NHL ready on the offensive side. They need to groom the youngsters and grow the depth, if there is any market that should understand this and be patient it's us.

Crack a beer kick back enjoy the ride it sure beats having no NHL.

 

[TroubaFan1]

What a brutal game by the entire team.

 

[ps241]

Agreed. That is why it is my belief that they need to now begin clearing the deck; not so much blowing it up entirely but rather to simply open some spots up for the future. I'd much prefer to watch this team next season if it were comprised of a few more kids that busted their ***** each and every night, even if they were to struggle as a result.

I'm not at all upset by the game last night; look at the lineup. Pavs isn't to blame when playing behind an AHL grade D. The coach isn't to blame when the GM delivers him a lineup akin to the one iced last night. Continuing along the same path and expecting different results gets you nowhere. It is soon time for some significant changes to be made here.

I am not saying fire the coach but Noel has blood on his hands as well Gump. His lineup had more talent last night than Florida's and although ultimately the blame lies on the Jets players for "no showing" the Coach gets paid to make sure his team is ready to go and Claude didn't get it done either last night. Lots of blame to go around.

 

[theamazingchris]

I'm not at all upset by the game last night; look at the lineup. Pavs isn't to blame when playing behind an AHL grade D.

You can't be serious. He had a .850, for goodness' sake. The only goal that you could conceivably blame on the D was the penalty shot, for obvious reasons. The first two were clearly visible shots and the fourth was him way out of position.

I think this is the main problem. Pavs doesn't inspire our team to win. What's the point of busting your ass if your goalie is going to let in 2-3 soft goals every game?

 

[Gump Hasek]

Case in point, Burmistrov. I'm a fan of the kid. I like what he brings to the team and think he's got top 6 talent. If Chevy feels like he is a passenger (not saying he is or isn't, just a hypothetical), then I wouldn't be against trading him if it made the team better. But I can't get behind a bunch of knee jerk trades for less than full value, just for a "shake up".

I agree with a vast majority of what you post - 99% of the time. An alternate view to the above however is that trades don't necessarily need to be made that are apples for apples. Sometimes change for the sake of change is what is required. Drop a Cormier into Burmistrov's spot last night for example and what you'd gain would be some compete, some battle. Burmistrov (and/or others) could go for picks for all I care. I'm not looking for a "shake up", I'm seeking fundamental change.

 

[Guerzy]

I am not saying fire the coach but Noel has blood on his hands as well Gump. His lineup had more talent last night than Florida's and although ultimately the blame lies on the Jets players for "no showing" the Coach gets paid to make sure his team is ready to go and Claude didn't get it done either last night. Lots of blame to go around.

I have had thoughts of Noel enter my mind here in recent time as to why can he not get this group all on the same page, all at one time, all playing the same game consistently. But, I do think a lot of the problems are with the roster itself, I believe Noel can be a good coach. But, at the end of the day too, these are grown men, professionals, playing the greatest league in the world, if they cannot motivate themselves to get their ***** in gear and show up to play... good luck with those players. Sometimes, you just can't make a monkey dance. Then you need to get a new monkey. A monkey who wants to dance.

One thing is for sure, I believe, and whether we eventually (if ever) find out whether it's more of the players or the coach, Cheveldayoff will move players before he outs Noel. Claude Noel will get more than a fair share of time here. The only time Noel will get fired in my opinion is the day where Cheveldayoff can say "this is my team, I built it, it's good enough but you are not getting the results out of them". Until then, and that is a while away in my opinion, Noel is safe, I believe.

 

[Gump Hasek]

You can't be serious. He had a .850, for goodness' sake. The only goal that you could conceivably blame on the D was the penalty shot, for obvious reasons. The first two were clearly visible shots and the fourth was him way out of position.

I think this is the main problem. Pavs doesn't inspire our team to win. What's the point of busting your ass if your goalie is going to let in 2-3 soft goals every game?

You can't be serious if you believe a D lineup that regularly includes Postma and Clitsome is of an NHL caliber. Those guys are 7/8 D on most team depth charts, if that. Clitsome is a waiver wire pickup that couldn't make a terrible Columbus team. Stuart was awful last night as well, Bogo didn't have his best night either, Buff is clearly playing while injured. The above is reflected in both the final score and the play of the goalie.