RD Timothy Liljegren - Ex-Rogle BK, SHL (2017, 17th, TOR) III

[DopeyFish]

The rogle coach is stating facts, though.

Because liljegren is going to be partaking in Leafs camp, he will be unavailable for their preseason.

It does not mean he will be assigned to the Marlies. I assume the intention is to see him relative to Dermott and Nielsen who are both close to the NHL. Perhaps even in NHL preseason to see where he is relative to Carrick. (the lowest hanging RD fruit on the Leafs) which will help set up a development plan.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

The rogle coach is stating facts, though.

Because liljegren is going to be partaking in Leafs camp, he will be unavailable for their preseason.

It does not mean he will be assigned to the Marlies. I assume the intention is to see him relative to Dermott and Nielsen who are both close to the NHL. Perhaps even in NHL preseason to see where he is relative to Carrick. (the lowest hanging RD fruit on the Leafs) which will help set up a development plan.

Yea it only seems to confirm he's attending NHL camp which I was already under the impression was known. Makes sense to bring him to NHL camp given Leafs don't exactly know where he's at with all the sickness and injuries.

 

[Mikeyg]

Yea it only seems to confirm he's attending NHL camp which I was already under the impression was known. Makes sense to bring him to NHL camp given Leafs don't exactly know where he's at with all the sickness and injuries.

Leafs know exactly where hes at, thats why they picked him and have been watching every single time hes been on the ice post draft. Hes coming to camp to compete for a spot, he likely has to many holes for right now, so he will start on the marlies no doubt.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Leafs know exactly where hes at, thats why they picked him and have been watching every single time hes been on the ice post draft. Hes coming to camp to compete for a spot, he likely has to many holes for right now, so he will start on the marlies no doubt.

I would wager he fell to #17 because no one really had a great idea where he was at given all the variables at play in a very important draft year for him. That risk IMO is why he dropped.

The hockey he's played post-draft isn't really enough information. They'll need a camp to get a better understanding.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I would wager he fell to #17 because no one really had a great idea where he was at given all the variables at play in a very important draft year for him. That risk IMO is why he dropped.

The hockey he's played post-draft isn't really enough information. They'll need a camp to get a better understanding.

Chychrun fell last year and I remember everyone crapping on him. There was hype the year before his draft and he slowly fell. Then he came to camp, won a spot and had a really good year.

I have a feeling the same will happen here. Except hopefully he's good enough for a spot but gets a year of seasoning with top pairing minutes on the Marlies first.

 

[TOGuy14]

I don't think the Leafs mind letting Tim head back to Sweden, but I don't think the want him on Rogle. Historically, at least with Nylander, has shown they don't mind letting a player develop physically overseas and then bringing them over to the Marlies later in the year.

Perhaps they will try to get Rogle to move him to a better club with the threat they will keep him in NA if they do not.

 

[Vipers31]

I don't think the Leafs mind letting Tim head back to Sweden, but I don't think the want him on Rogle. Historically, at least with Nylander, has shown they don't mind letting a player develop physically overseas and then bringing them over to the Marlies later in the year.

Perhaps they will try to get Rogle to move him to a better club with the threat they will keep him in NA if they do not.

Well, without the option of just "trading" him NHL-style in European hockey, that seems quite unlikely. You'd have to force them to just terminate the contract to let him go somewhere else, and at that point, they'd probably prefer he's out of the league in the AHL over him playing for their opponents. Given where he's at in his development and the expectedly limited term he'll remain in Sweden if he develops well, I can't see another team paying them a transfer fee to get them to terminate the deal, either. There isn't any leverage there, realistically.

 

[Hokinaittii]

Yeah, it does sound ridiculous from Rogle's point of view to let their most talented player leave for some other SHL team just because Leafs management thinks "they aren't good enough for him". After all, Rogle is a pro club and like any pro team, they just can't let their key players leave like that for rival teams.

Now I don't follow SHL closely and I understand Rogle is one of the bottom tier teams but isn't that actually a good thing for a young player? He should see more ice time since the team isn't that stacked. And as far as I can tell, playing big minutes in pro team is excactly the thing Liljegren needs right now.

 

[biotk]

Now I don't follow SHL closely and I understand Rogle is one of the bottom tier teams but isn't that actually a good thing for a young player? He should see more ice time since the team isn't that stacked.

No, the opposite. Teams that are facing relegation rarely play young players, especially young D. This has been a bone of contention between NHL GMs and the SHL for a long time. The SHL wants the NHL to allow young prospects to develop in the SHL, while NHL GMs don't want to allow their young prospects to develop there if the team in question is going to be in a fight against relegation.

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But with relegation a factor every SHL season, Kekalainen said the development of a young player is sometimes sacrificed for wins. That doesn’t happen in the AHL, a purely developmental league.

“So when you’ve invested a lot in a first-round pick or a second-round pick and you see that the coaches there choose to go with a veteran player because they don’t want their team to get relegated…†Kekalainen said, “Winning is important to us too in our development, but I think we have a great balance of winning and development in the American League.â€

 

[Hokinaittii]

Yeah, I can see it from that point of view also but I would be surprised if a year older Liljegren wouldn't already be a clear improvement for their team's roster.

But if he isn't ready for the next step yet, I can see why the Leafs would want him into AHL.

 

[AppsSyl]

This was posted in the Leafs forum by another poster, but I thought it was worth posting here as well. Lou Lam was interviewed by Sirius XM NHL Radio and one of the question was regarding Liljegren. His response is interesting, because besides his skating, the other attribute he describes as outstanding is his hockey sense, which is something that some on here have continually tried to point out as his major flaw.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017...gren-defencemen-talent-dont-come-along-often/

Question: Speaking of young kids, you had the #17th pick at the draft this year and took the Swedish kid, Timothy Liljegren. This young man was projected to be a top-five pick and his draft year was a bit of a perfect storm – some injuries, health issues, mononucleosis was part of the equation. Obviously, the Leafs were still very high on him. What do you see about this young players that made him your first-round selection?

Lamoriello: Certainly, our scouts have seen him, and he was heavily scouted the year prior to his draft, and then he actually played on several teams last year because of his mononucleosis, which gave him a major setback. He had a serious case of it. Our people did not lose sight of what he did before. He has something that you can’t teach: He never lost his skating ability and talent.

I had the opportunity to see him in Plymouth this year and also in our prospect camp, and we’re extremely pleased. This is a young man who has outstanding hockey sense and outstanding skating ability. Once again, it’s only potential, so we have to see how quickly he develops. But defencemen with his talent don’t come along often.

This is pretty high praise from Lou.

 

[Knies iT]

His "hockey sense" and "vision" are without a doubt very high end, he sees plays few other players do and it makes him a complete offensive threat. His ability to read plays, find back door options in the offensive zone and use unique outlets off the rush are really impressive and reminiscent of a D version of Nylander. It's his decision-making that is questionable, and yes there is a difference. He can be criticized for forcing plays and holding on to the puck for too long, which usually results in him running into traffic or turning the puck over, but I think that's simply a product of him trying to do to much on his own to make up for the limited ice-time he gets in the SHL and the lack of success he found due to health issues and team changes. Like Button said he sometimes tries to make up for a whole game in one shift, when less is more. Luckily, those issues are generally fixable, especially with a coach like Babcock.

 

[The Drop]

This was posted in the Leafs forum by another poster, but I thought it was worth posting here as well. Lou Lam was interviewed by Sirius XM NHL Radio and one of the question was regarding Liljegren. His response is interesting, because besides his skating, the other attribute he describes as outstanding is his hockey sense, which is something that some on here have continually tried to point out as his major flaw.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017...gren-defencemen-talent-dont-come-along-often/



This is pretty high praise from Lou.

Manager of team that drafted player speaks highly of draft pick!

Film at 11

 

[AppsSyl]

Manager of team that drafted player speaks highly of draft pick!

Film at 11

Obviously the GM is going to be happy with their pick, but Lou isn't usually the type of guy to go out of his way to heap praise on someone he isn't truly impressed with, and especially I don't think would just throw out the comment, "but defencemen with his talent don’t come along often," on a guy he felt was a typical 17th OA pick.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Hoping he goes the AHL route. Would be perfect for his development after possibly playing in the NHL preseason.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Manager of team that drafted player speaks highly of draft pick!

Film at 11

Lou is one of the most respected men in hockey. Find me an example of where he puts himself out there. He calls guys talented, but since I can remember I don't think he has said anything close to that about anyone other than the kids who impressed last year.

This board has been saying he has no IQ. Well, from one of the best of all time, he disagrees and says it's a strength. Toronto's scouting has been excellent since the management change and purge. I trust them with the best of the teams when it comes to who they pick.

 

[The Norris Division]

Lou is one of the most respected men in hockey. Find me an example of where he puts himself out there. He calls guys talented, but since I can remember I don't think he has said anything close to that about anyone other than the kids who impressed last year.

This board has been saying he has no IQ. Well, from one of the best of all time, he disagrees and says it's a strength. Toronto's scouting has been excellent since the management change and purge. I trust them with the best of the teams when it comes to who they pick.

Management has you brainwashed! Drinking th Kool Aid.
You need to change your handle to Koolaid-ccolo
LOL

 

[Kamiccolo]

Management has you brainwashed! Drinking th Kool Aid.
You need to change your handle to Koolaid-ccolo
LOL

I am certainly optimistic that he will become a top pairing D, but I can acknowledge that is homerism to an extent. However, reading these threads over the summer just shows there is equal bias on the other side.

Ever since he was drafted he has shown that last year was probably a fluke and perfect storm. Management does not say this about anyone unless they mean it. Babcock and Lou are two of the most respected people in hockey.

I am not saying they can't be wrong, but they acknowledge his tools as being elite, which contradicts a lot of posts about having low IQ or only being a good skater. It seems management believes he has potential to be an impact D.

 

[howkie]

Hoping he goes the AHL route. Would be perfect for his development after possibly playing in the NHL preseason.

It is NHL or SHL, nothing else.

And it is time for NHL to pay up if they gonna keep taking talents early on. Pay atleast the value of the ELC as compensation to the club losing their player.

 

[VictorLustig]

It is NHL or SHL, nothing else.

And it is time for NHL to pay up if they gonna keep taking talents early on. Pay atleast the value of the ELC as compensation to the club losing their player.

The leafs have every right to send him to the AHL since he's a 1st round pick.

 

[Nithoniniel]

It is NHL or SHL, nothing else.

And it is time for NHL to pay up if they gonna keep taking talents early on. Pay atleast the value of the ELC as compensation to the club losing their player.

He was drafted out of Europe, which means that AHL is an option just like it was for both Nylanders, Pastrnak among others.

 

[Stephen23]

Just a Lil' update from Shilton watching the informal player scrimmage.

 

[LeafChief]

Just a Lil' update from Shilton watching the informal player scrimmage.

Sucks that Rookie camp is only two games this year with the Penguins not coming.

Hopefully he will play in both games so that we can get a decent look.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Just a Lil' update from Shilton watching the informal player scrimmage.

LOL, Shliton's got you brainwashed.. He can't possibly be that good. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

It is NHL or SHL, nothing else.

As others have pointed out, this is incorrect.

I believe the AHL will be the best spot for him, his SHL team is not in a good position atm and the Marlies are poised for a big year. Liljegren can also acclimate to the Leafs' system and the small ice at the same time.

Will make him ready to jump right into the lineup one year from now.