Aceboogie
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Not sure Karlsson was ever nearly as bad as liljregren was last night or was defensively last year. Maybe rundblad bad.
RD Timothy Liljegren - Ex-Rogle BK, SHL (2017, 17th, TOR) III
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Not sure Karlsson was ever nearly as bad as liljregren was last night or was defensively last year. Maybe rundblad bad.
Actually, Timothy wasn't the one making pinches. It was his D-partners, hence why he was the D-man back on the 2 on 1s against for majority of the game. If you're going to criticise him for his lack of hockey IQ then give him credit for bailing out the team on atleast 4 odd man rushes. The Leafs played with 0 structure to their game tonight and it showed. I hope to see all of his critics back here on Sunday complementing him when he has a good game.
Karlsson was horrendous. Leaf fans had the pleasure of watching him and his putrid defensive game. Mind you, he also had a cannon of a point shot at that age. You knew he had great potential and was going to be an amazing offensive talent but his defensive game was just embarrassing. Even in today's day and age, his defensive game is average at best.
Point is, no one is expecting Timothy to be the next Lidstrom. I know I am personally hoping for the next Karlsson-lite. Celebrate him what he is.
When people like you can come up with better chirps? Not all teams are blessed with Klefboms and Larssons. Our swedes make mistakes.
When people like you can come up with better chirps?
Im not chirping. I legitimately think he lacks awareness,positioning and ICE-Q .. however this was all hidden laat year becauae he was able to use mono as a crutch.
Scouts didnt buy it tho which is why went from possible top3 to out of top 15
I didn't think very highly of Sergachev either. I was vocal about not liking the pick since last year (waaaaay before we traded him). You can look up the posts (i started the 1st Sergachev prospect thread) or ask any Habs fan. Just like how i spoke about Liljegren's deficiencies in January, way before Toronto drafted him.
That said, he's very talented offensively.. can he overcome all his other issues tho? Only time will tell, the things he struggles with are hard to overcome imo.
Liljegren didn't have a fantastic game last night but the amount of criticism over two stand out poor plays in the game is hilarious. The kid went 17th overall he will take time to refine his game on both sides of the puck but in the end he looks to have the tools to eventually be a solid top 4 offensive d man in the NHL.
The whole team minus Marchment and Grundstom had a lackluster game. You are right though it is just one game and I'm sure as a group the baby leafs including Liljegren will have a better game on Sunday.
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See this is reasonable to say.
Certain Leafs fans have been hyping him as ROTY winner, steal of the draft, future #1 Dman when he had a few good games. When that happens, expect a pushback from rivals when he plays bad.
Just be happy to get a talented guy with top pairing upside at #17 and let his play over the next few years dictate how he ends up. He has deficiencies he needs to work on. A game like last night hilight them. It certainly does not mean anything in the long run, but shows he needs work....just like every prospect. But there were some saying he would make the Leafs this year. That is overly optimistic. Then some said he would win ROTY. That's just homerism.
Enjoy the pick Leafs fans. Watch him and be honest in what you see....a talented but flawed prospect. He has years to develop and become better. He will have great games and awful games. Expect both. If you don't over hype him, you will get less pushback.
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I agree 100% but leafs fans absolutely rubbed everybody the wrong way with the way they talked about him.
This is coming from a huge Lil Homer.
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unreal prospect but obviously still needs a lot of work just like almost every other 18 year old.
There is a reason why he dropped to 17, but on the flip side there is a reason he was ranked one of the best for this past 2017 draft like a year or 2 ago... lets give it some time. We could go through every teams prospects that played and find at least 1 top prospect that disappointed in their first game.
There is a reason why he dropped to 17, but on the flip side there is a reason he was ranked one of the best for this past 2017 draft like a year or 2 ago... lets give it some time. We could go through every teams prospects that played and find at least 1 top prospect that disappointed in their first game.
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Speaking of being honest, the vast minority, probably well under 1% of the adult fanbase feels that way.
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What game were you watching?
There were literally 3 odd-man rushes in 2 shifts where Liljegren was caught up ice and they scored 2 goals on those 3 rushes
It's just 1 game, it's really not a big deal at all. I can't tell if people are genuinely freaking out, they're trolling, or they're just trying to rip on Leafs fans because of their tendency to overhype their prospects + the fact that Toronto has so many good young players that can't really be chirped.
Regardless, people need to settle down lol
I think the backlash is from all the hype he got since being drafted by the leafs. It was over the top then and now because of that, it's going to be over the top the other way whenever he stumbles.
It's just the nature of him being a Leafs pick. I mean the Flames picked a D man right before the Leafs pick, and that kid unfortunately legit looks like a stud, but the hype isn't anywhere close.
It's just the nature of him being a Leafs pick. I mean the Flames picked a D man right before the Leafs pick, and that kid unfortunately legit looks like a stud, but the hype isn't anywhere close.
I hope he has a big game on Sunday so we can then claim he's the next Jesus and get told by all those claiming he's a bust right now that "rookie games mean nothing!"
Wonder where all these people were during the Leafs rookie development camp when he was impressing.
Wonder where all these people were during the U20 camp when he was impressing
Wonder where all these people were during the Leafs rookie development camp when he was impressing.
Wonder where all these people were during the U20 camp when he was impressing
Knowing when not to pinch is hard to overcome? The pinching issues we saw in that game (i.e., where people point out IQ) is probably more of an artifact of throwing a bunch of 18-20yr olds together who came from different leagues and countries right after summer and try and get them into a system together -- no?
Getting smarter about when to pinch I don't think is harder than, say, adjusting to the NA ice, but then that's no different of a "concern" than any other european draft pick coming over to NA
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I agree it's the nature of being a Leaf's pick. That said, these prospect tournaments are pretty meaningless in defining who is a legit stud and who isn't, particularly after 1 game.
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As a swede i'd love to see him succeed, however the reason why he's getting so much backlash and critism at the moment is mostly due to the hype he recieved after being drafted by the leafs.
Becuase this is what happens when a fanbase over hype their prospect, the prospect gets put under the microscope and people will try to find ways to disprove of the hype. Things would be very different if he was drafted by a team where the fanbase had more realistic expectations of him, a fanbase that realise that he isn't perfect and will take abit of time to polish and develop. He has the tools no one is arguing that but he's very unpolished atm, if he puts everything together he could be a future core member of the Leafs Defense but he could also fail to put it all together and never really have much of any NHL impact.
Anyway, it was just 1 game and not a big deal at all, he was probably nervous aswell since he has so much to prove he probably tried to over do things.
Becuase this is what happens when a fanbase over hype their prospect, the prospect gets put under the microscope and people will try to find ways to disprove of the hype. Things would be very different if he was drafted by a team where the fanbase had more realistic expectations of him, a fanbase that realise that he isn't perfect and will take abit of time to polish and develop. He has the tools no one is arguing that but he's very unpolished atm, if he puts everything together he could be a future core member of the Leafs Defense but he could also fail to put it all together and never really have much of any NHL impact.
Anyway, it was just 1 game and not a big deal at all, he was probably nervous aswell since he has so much to prove he probably tried to over do things.
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