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RD Timothy Liljegren - Ex-Rogle BK, SHL (2017, 17th, TOR) III

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I was at the game and he did have a bad showing. The whole team followed suit. Leafs played well in the 2nd but that's it. Liljegren got walked and he also served the Habs an assist. He did show some offensive instinct but all in all it was bad. Side note, Habs had a lot of speed.
 
DJKhaled said:
-4 against the worst prospect pool in the league, I don't see Liljegren having top 4 potential
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"+4 in a near dominant 3 game performance against the best prospects in the world, I don't see Liljegren turning out as anything less than a top 4 d-man"

Mods better buckle up, gonna be a wild ride
 
DJKhaled said:
-4 against the worst prospect pool in the league, I don't see Liljegren having top 4 potential
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Not the worst but pretty close. Not to mention our 4 best forward prospects (Poehling, Ikonen, Hudon and Scherbak) were not playing.

I couldn't believe the play he let Waked take the puck. Especially since Waked used to play in the "soft" Q. That's not a good sign. He is not close to be ready this year. Will have to improve big time defensively and physically. That was a Midget caliber play.
 
What a bust after one game /s

On a serious note, is he going back to Sweden this year, or playing with the Marlies?
 
Hockeyisl1fe said:
So is the mono excuse still valid?
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He had a bad game. We just watched him dominate the junior showcase, so he gets the benefit of the doubt. He'll need to adjust to the pace and playing with unfamiliar teammates (who were also pretty terrible)
 
3 Minute Minor said:
What game were you watching?

There were literally 3 odd-man rushes in 2 shifts where Liljegren was caught up ice and they scored 2 goals on those 3 rushes :laugh:





It's just 1 game, it's really not a big deal at all. I can't tell if people are genuinely freaking out, they're trolling, or they're just trying to rip on Leafs fans because of their tendency to overhype their prospects + the fact that Toronto has so many good young players that can't really be chirped.

Regardless, people need to settle down lol
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The same game you were watching. Go watch the highlights. Timothy was the dman playing the 2 on 1s where they scored the two goals you mentioned. If he had pinched, he wouldn't be the dman back. But I do agree that people really need to settle down.

Also one game doesn't change the fact that he's still an offensive dynamo who has the potential to be the top pick from this draft and a future #1 dman or even challenge for ROTY. Will he get there? Who knows.
 
Tripod said:
Enjoy the pick Leafs fans. Watch him and be honest in what you see....a talented but flawed prospect. He has years to develop and become better. He will have great games and awful games. Expect both. If you don't over hype him, you will get less pushback.
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I've never heard a Leaf fan guarantee he's going to win the ROTY. I've seen less than a handful suggest he's going to be a #1 dman but could be chalked up to healthy optimism, as with any fanbase. I haven't seen a Leaf fan insist he's going to make the team out of camp. The far, far majority know he's going to be in the AHL or with Rogle and just discuss between the two...and I have been on this board a lot this summer. I think we should expect pushback but if your going to project your own biases and/or what you perceive as the extreme minority of the fanbase- then your always going to approach a situation like this negatively.

Don't take it the wrong way because I think your intentions were right with the post.

TT1 said:
I didn't think very highly of Sergachev either. I was vocal about not liking the pick since last year (waaaaay before we traded him). You can look up the posts (i started the 1st Sergachev prospect thread) or ask any Habs fan. Just like how i spoke about Liljegren's deficiencies in January, way before Toronto drafted him.

That said, he's very talented offensively.. can he overcome all his other issues tho? Only time will tell, the things he struggles with are hard to overcome imo.
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I've seen you speak more highly of Liljegren than lowly of him from my experience reading these boards, so it goes both ways (even the post you linked). No prospect is immune to criticism. That's besides the point though, every prospect is going to have a bad game. Even worst when you consider the best in this draft (lacking clear separation in talent/skill/productivity).

As for some of the points you mention- I have spoken highly of Liljegren i.e. versus Brannstrom (I only mention him because he's the only relevant comparable) for a while now since well before the draft. The fact that Liljegren engages puck carriers more readily and is sneakily willing to knock d-men off the puck is something I have stated for a while now- whereas Brannstrom does not engage as much readily to win possession at this stage in his development. I also spoke about Brannstrom being a great posession skater (which Liljegren is not- he's more of a PMD rusher like Rielly versus a possession skater like Neidermayer). The problem is Brannstrom does struggle with short passes exiting the zone as such (even on the big-ice) and to me, tends to overskate way too much in his own end (but to the eye of the beholder, like Button, this seems to impress him more than it should IMO).

With Sergachev, I was high on him for a while going back to his draft. I would be surprised if he's not a top 4-dman in the league. This is going back into his draft year where his stock skyrocketed. He also had a good D+1 year in tougher usage defensively. As I mentioned, he had a really bad showing in his preseason game with the Habs but you can't take too much stock in 1 glorified exhibition game. Among other reasons, he was still a kid and clearly not ready....very few are, unless they are absolutely elite talents entering the league. There doesn't look to be any of those types, on paper, in this year's draft.
 
BrannigansLaw said:
Let them have their fun for the time being I say. Remember all the criticisms levied at Marner last year at WJSS? They'll look like idiots again shortly enough.
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Because thats how it works... Everyone turns out to be Marner when they have a bad game.

In all seriousness though its one god damned game for a barely 18 year old d man, people jumping all over him should give their head a shake.
 
bert said:
Because thats how it works... Everyone turns out to be Marner when they have a bad game.

In all seriousness though its one god damned game for a barely 18 year old d man, people jumping all over him should give their head a shake.
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Agreed 100%. As sick as I am of him being over-hyped by some Leaf fans, I still think he is a solid prospect, and won't judge him or his future on his first game in a North American system
 
Timothy is going to be a fantastic player. He should make it atleast as a top 4d with a decent shot at potentially being a #1/ top pairing D. He needs time to gain more confidence in his game and play on a structured team. Lucky for us, he's going to be playing on a hell of a team when he gets to the NHL. I can't wait until he's out there with Willie, Mitch and Auston on the PP. It's going to be an absolute treat!
 
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It's been the narrative ever since the draft that the Leafs managed some sort of heist and at least 15 teams are going to regret passing him and that it was just the mono that made him fall. It's been repeated outside the fan boards, it's all over the media. It's just one game and no doubt the guy has talent and can make the Leafs look good for selecting him. But it's ok to admit that maybe it was appropriate that he was drafted where he was because the defensive questions were legitimate.
 
Didn't see the game but Liljegren is usually pretty good. Sure, he has his flaws defensively, but he makes up for it offensively. I think he will be a top 4 D in a couple years, he has all the tools for it. He is not a Dahlin type of prospect but he is still interesting and could pan out very well.
 
tigervixxxen said:
It's been the narrative ever since the draft that the Leafs managed some sort of heist and at least 15 teams are going to regret passing him and that it was just the mono that made him fall. It's been repeated outside the fan boards, it's all over the media. It's just one game and no doubt the guy has talent and can make the Leafs look good for selecting him. But it's ok to admit that maybe it was appropriate that he was drafted where he was because the defensive questions were legitimate.
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One game doesn't confirm or deny any opinion. I hope people wouldn't sway their minds just because of a game or I'd highly question their hockey intelligence.
 
DownGoesMcDavid said:
Zero IQ. Saw a lot of alarming red flags even w the very fundamental skill of transitioning from backwards to forward skating.

Looks like the scouts knew what they were doing after all passing yp on timmy
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Wouldn't be too concerned most of these games hardly tell any signs if a player is going to be a future NHLer or not. Most players are just getting back into the ebb and flow. As much as I like Yamamoto I would have taken Timothy if he was still on the board. Its a high risk high reward pick in both scenarios this isn't something you judge after a few prospect games or even a full season.
 
tigervixxxen said:
It's been the narrative ever since the draft that the Leafs managed some sort of heist and at least 15 teams are going to regret passing him and that it was just the mono that made him fall. It's been repeated outside the fan boards, it's all over the media. It's just one game and no doubt the guy has talent and can make the Leafs look good for selecting him. But it's ok to admit that maybe it was appropriate that he was drafted where he was because the defensive questions were legitimate.
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Or maybe it was the first game of the summer and he along with every other Leafs prospect played like ****? There was no system in place yesterday. Players were all out of position and there were odd man rushes going against them every other minute. Let's not pretend like Timothy was the only one making mistakes out there.

The kid was touted as a potential top pick as late as last season, he dropped for whatever reason. I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding that Leafs fans aren't hyping him because he was a #1 pick dropping to #17. He was a guy that pretty much the entire fan base figured we'd have to tank for last season to get. Instead, we made it to the playoffs with a great young team and he still managed to fall into our laps. We're all elated because of that. Plus there's teams out there calling their players steals all the time, it doesn't mean anything. Lol
 
Are people burying Liljegren for not playing 'fundamentally sound' defense in a rookie tournament? Have you critics ever watched a rookie tournament? It's basically a scrimmage, a showcase to players to show off individual skills.

The dunk competition resembles an NBA playoff game more than an NHL rookie tournament game resembles a regular season NHL game.
 

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