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RD Simon Nemec (2022, 2nd, NJD)

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SoundAndFury said:
Yeah, confusing post. You can judge a prospect from playing in QMJHL, but can't from playing in the Slovak league? What?


So what? Most kids play junior hockey that isn't even close to men's level, what the hell is this point.
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He would learn alot more in finnish juniors or CHL, than in Tipsport Liga.
 
ZadinaN11 said:
I think it matters alot, there are even 2 teams from Hungary and they are not the worst. That league is simply garbage, even EBEL is significantly better. I like Němec, but he should go somewhere else.
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Austrian IceHL, in terms of quality, is certainly no better than the Slovak Tipos Extraliga. The leagues are about the same, the difference is in the style of play, in Slovakia the game is faster, more technical and offensive hockey, in IceHL the game is tougher and more reminiscent of overseas hockey due to many legionnaires. And also the Slovak Tipos Extraliga is better than any junior league. Of course, in Europe there are better leagues such as KHL, SHL, Liiga, NLA, DEL lso the Czech Extraliga, but they are immediately followed by the Slovak Tipos Extraliga.

But yes, i agree that the Nemec should move somewhere in the draft season where he will be more in the eyes of scouts, but playing the highest men's league in Slovakia at the age of 16 is not bad at all, I would say that it is great. The Slovak league is very underrated, while it has its quality and every year the quality increases.
 
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ZadinaN11 said:
I think it matters alot, there are even 2 teams from Hungary and they are not the worst. That league is simply garbage, even EBEL is significantly better. I like Němec, but he should go somewhere else.
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There is only one team from Hungary and that team is one of the worst in the league. (3rd worst, score 56:79). Slovak league obviously isn't as good as Czech Extraliga for example but there are a lot of players who played in Czech, Finnish, KHL or Swedish league in the past. There are even guys with NHL experience. Before WJC camp, Simon Nemec played against Dukla Trenčin, against Duklas 1st line with Nick Shore. He was defending 3rd liner from NHL and did very good job. CHL is better? Andrej Kukuca was almost ppg in the CHL, maybe best offensive player for Seattle. Right now, he's playing in Slovakia and look at his numbers. Its pretty obvious that he's having a problems with men's hockey. These guys are much bigger, stronger and much more experienced than kids from juniors. If that league is that bad then why is Boston working with HK Nitra? Robert Lantoši played in Nitra in 18/19 season, now, he's doing very well in the AHL, signed two-way NHL deal. Few weeks ago, Bruins sent Cooper Zech to Slovakia to play here for Nitra. I guess its not that bad.
 
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hellwar9 said:
Austrian IceHL, in terms of quality, is certainly no better than the Slovak Tipos Extraliga.
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I'm in a bit of a silly position to argue both for and against the Slovak league but you should check the rosters of teams like Vienna, Klagenfurt or Salzburg and snap out of this "certainly no better". Well, it certainly is better because it certainly has 3 times better-paid players. And better-paid players are usually, you know, better. That's why they get paid. End of story.

Regarding comparison with junior, of course, there is no debate. To even suggest a solid, professional hockey league is worse than junior just shows a tremendously terrible understanding of the hockey ladder. Most guys who play in the CHL won't get paid to play hockey ever.
 
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ZadinaN11 said:
I wouldn´t say that Tipsport Liga is better than CHL.
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In the footsteps of today's pre-WJC game, take a look at how all those PPG CHL guys (Pytlik, Teply, Raska, Novak, Lang, etc.) are doing in the Czech 2nd league. Those guys are 19 and it's still a definitely weaker league than the Slovak one.
 
SoundAndFury said:
In the footsteps of today's pre-WJC game, take a look at how all those PPG CHL guys (Pytlik, Teply, Raska, Novak, Lang, etc.) are doing in the Czech 2nd league. Those guys are 19 and it's still a definitely weaker league than the Slovak one.
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Czech 2nd is rejects league. It is for players who can't make extraliga and for kids who can't play anywhere else because of covid. They are barely paid to make living.
 
SoundAndFury said:
Exactly. And those CHL stars aren't exactly lighting it up, are they now?
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I agree that the Slovak Extaliga is better than any junior league for sure but there still are questions about the quality of the league. Junior players like Ty Tullio and Allan McShane were loaned to the league recently and are at ppg pace after coming in cold off their home couches and not playing hockey for months.

Cernak proved the Exraliga is more than good enough for quality youngsters like Nemec but I still think Nemec should move elsewhere after this season or the season after.
 
wings5 said:
I agree that the Slovak Extaliga is better than any junior league for sure but there still are questions about the quality of the league. Junior players like Ty Tullio and Allan McShane were loaned to the league recently and are at ppg pace after coming in cold off their home couches and not playing hockey for months.

Cernak proved the Exraliga is more than good enough for quality youngsters like Nemec but I still think Nemec should move elsewhere after this season or the season after.
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I mean that's true, no doubt about it. That's why suggesting the Slovak league is on par with Austrian is such a pipe dream.
 
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On a three-games point streak, picking up three points (0+3) at the World Juniors. Since he is only 16, I'm impressed by his defensive reliability and even more by his passing skills and how calm he is with the puck. Definitely worth to hype.

Happy to see Brandt Clarke in the same league as Simon is. Should be great to observe a mutual comparison of them.
 
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Wonder where he’ll end up getting drafted. Seems like a solid player for 16 with a lot of upside and he already plays against men.
 
Burkeocet said:
Wonder where he’ll end up getting drafted. Seems like a solid player for 16 with a lot of upside and he already plays against men.
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A lot can happen in 1.5 years, obviously. But as of now he’s a lock for the first round and can go as high as top 10 in my opinion.

Top 5 will be tough because 2022 will be a really strong year at the top with Wright, Savoie and Lambert. But after that, why not? Quite a few players from the USNTDP and Europe in the mix too, though.
 
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pgfan66 said:
A lot can happen in 1.5 years, obviously. But as of now he’s a lock for the first round and can go as high as top 10 in my opinion.

Top 5 will be tough because 2022 will be a really strong year at the top with Wright, Savoie and Lambert. But after that, why not? Quite a few players from the USNTDP and Europe in the mix too, though.
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I would back up on the first round lock talk. Pronman said he doesn't see that as his draft range. He's only one scout writer, but he talks to NHL scouts about these prospects and usually has a better grasp on this stuff than any given fan on a website like this.

I think Nemec has a chance for first round, but like with nearly all 2022 prospects, he still has to show well and that he projects as a good NHL'er to be a first rounder.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I would back up on the first round lock talk. Pronman said he doesn't see that as his draft range. He's only one scout writer, but he talks to NHL scouts about these prospects and usually has a better grasp on this stuff than any given fan on a website like this.

I think Nemec has a chance for first round, but like with nearly all 2022 prospects, he still has to show well and that he projects as a good NHL'er to be a first rounder.
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Have to agree with Pronman, some of the draft projections I have seen for Nemec have been outlandish. Good prospect, but doesn't seem like the kind of player you spend a high pick on. Still plenty of time till his draft day though.
 
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Brandt Clarke's visit to Slovakia, a top 10-ranked attacking defender for 2021, may help further Nemec's cause.

Nemec will certainly be selected in the first round. But to this day, I don't see what prevents seeing Nemec from being selected top 10.

We are talking about a player who started in the Seniors at 15 years old.
 
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Dirtyfighter said:
Brandt Clarke's visit to Slovakia, a top 10-ranked attacking defender for 2021, may help further Nemec's cause.

Nemec will certainly be selected in the first round. But to this day, I don't see what prevents seeing Nemec from being selected top 10.

We are talking about a player who started in the Seniors at 15 years old.
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Exactly. And furthermore, one year older Clarke went pointless in his first four games, so it's definitely not that easy to play in Tipos extraliga like some people think. On the other hand, Nemec already has been playing there for two seasons and simultaneously he was the clutch player of the Slovak NT at the WJC (don't forget, he is still only 16). Seems like a first-round pick to me and therefore debate about his position in the Top 10 is completely relevant. I don't know what else a 16-year-old has to do to be considered one of the greatest talents of the 2022 draft.
 
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