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RD Simon Nemec (2022, 2nd, NJD)

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Skinnyjimmy08 said:
Who is the best comparison for Nemec? I would normally look thru the thread to see if anyone has written it previously but there is too much talk/hype of Jiricek for some reason on here so it's annoying to filter thru it all
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I like Josh Morrisey as a comparison. Some have suggested something close to Heiskanen.
 
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Skinnyjimmy08 said:
Who is the best comparison for Nemec? I would normally look thru the thread to see if anyone has written it previously but there is too much talk/hype of Jiricek for some reason on here so it's annoying to filter thru it all
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Fixed to Ruin said:
I like Josh Morrisey as a comparison. Some have suggested something close to Heiskanen.
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Stylistically he reminds me of Heiskanen a lot. Heiskanan is a faster skater but Nemec is a very good skater in his own right. Their poise, IQ, calmness and two-way play are very similar when I look at them.
 
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majormajor said:
Just in case anyone believes this stuff, Jiricek has the highest rating among all Jackets defenders, everyone else is more negative. This formula obviously struggles with team effect.
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That’s cool. I don’t see this as a direct competition that I have to emotionally invest in and argue about on a Nemec thread. A Jirecek superfan can’t force me to do that.
 
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Just watched him tonight . Thought he was phenomenal.
Major Jiricek fan, but Nemic looked really good. As a guy that has both on his fantasy team (in the minors) I think they are both very young players with lots of learning to do, but are way ahead of their peers. (Although Minty looks really good too.)
 
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HBK27 said:
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For comparison
 
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Oh yay, "cards" by Dom, with "ratings", bar graphs and all.

So compelling.

Love Nemec, but using those shitty cards to try to show he's better than another prospect like Jiricek is futile at best.

Can't stand Dom "model" because it has shown times and times again its worthlessness.

'member when Nick Suzuki had the ninth worst contract in the league?
 
Michoulicious said:
Oh yay, "cards" by Dom, with "ratings", bar graphs and all.

So compelling.

Love Nemec, but using those shitty cards to try to show he's better than another prospect like Jiricek is futile at best.

Can't stand Dom "model" because it has shown times and times again its worthlessness.

'member when Nick Suzuki had the ninth worst contract in the league?
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I don’t think any Devils fan gives one shit about Jiricek, the comp is only being made because of that one super fan in here being annoying.

The eye test definitely matches for Nemec though. He has been extremely impressive and is clearly showing why he was picked 2nd overall.
 
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SteveCangialosi123 said:
I don’t think any Devils fan gives one shit about Jiricek, the comp is only being made because of that one super fan in here being annoying.

The eye test definitely matches for Nemec though. He has been extremely impressive and is clearly showing why he was picked 2nd overall.
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Think if everything goes perfectly, Nemec's upside is a smooth skating, minute eating all around D (Heiskanen is a good comp.) while Jiricek is not as smooth but way more physical/intimidating, with a better shot (Pietrangelo-lite maybe...?).

You can't go wrong with either, really.

Personally I like when D are more physical (works better in the playoffs), but I certainly could see a world where Nemec becomes way better than Jiricek... Development is not linear, we'll have to wait at least 4-5 years.
 
Michoulicious said:
Think if everything goes perfectly, Nemec's upside is a smooth skating, minute eating all around D (Heiskanen is a good comp.) while Jiricek is not as smooth but way more physical/intimidating, with a better shot (Pietrangelo-lite maybe...?).

You can't go wrong with either, really.

Personally I like when D are more physical (works better in the playoffs), but I certainly could see a world where Nemec becomes way better than Jiricek... Development is not linear, we'll have to wait at least 4-5 years.
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I think both will end up stud #1’s but as the other user pointed out, the image was simply to point out that multiple graphics can show multiple different diagnoses.

It would be best if Nemec and Jiricek both became studs, maybe some NHL scouts would spend more time watching the Czech and Slovak leagues :)
 
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sennysensen said:
Will probably end up the best player in his draft. Star-level #1 defenseman. Great pick, New Jersey!
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The fire after 1 match with 2 points. I won't bet my savings on your words. Slafkovsky is excellent with Montreal and is more established in the hierarchy. Mintyukov, in a team in great difficulty, is doing very well and other players will wake up.

As for the rivalry invented here between Luke Hughes and Simon Nemec, I miss it. But considering New Jersey's needs in 2022, an elite right-handed defender, yes Simon Nemec was the best choice to make and he confirms that. He is more successful than the other alternative, David Jiricek.
 
Dirtyf1ghter said:
The fire after 1 match with 2 points. I won't bet my savings on your words. Slafkovsky is excellent with Montreal and is more established in the hierarchy. Mintyukov, in a team in great difficulty, is doing very well and other players will wake up.

As for the rivalry invented here between Luke Hughes and Simon Nemec, I miss it. But considering New Jersey's needs in 2022, an elite right-handed defender, yes Simon Nemec was the best choice to make and he confirms that. He is more successful than the other alternative, David Jiricek.
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Slafkovsky is more established in the hierarchy? What does that even mean? Nemec has played better hockey and is averaging 20+ minutes a game and is 2nd in both average ice time and average 5v5 time on the team. Is Slafkovsky more established because he was in the NHL longer playing horrible hockey for most of it before getting propped up on the top line?
 
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Hisch13r said:
Slafkovsky is more established in the hierarchy? What does that even mean? Nemec has played better hockey and is averaging 20+ minutes a game and is 2nd in both average ice time and average 5v5 time on the team. Is Slafkovsky more established because he was in the NHL longer playing horrible hockey for most of it before getting propped up on the top line?
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Slafkovsky plays on the 1st line. He is currently the best player in Montreal. He carries his line in the engagement Nemec is still under the tutorship of Siegenthaler, who covers his game and Luke Hughes is favored in the offensive phases.
 
Hisch13r said:
Slafkovsky is more established in the hierarchy? What does that even mean? Nemec has played better hockey and is averaging 20+ minutes a game and is 2nd in both average ice time and average 5v5 time on the team. Is Slafkovsky more established because he was in the NHL longer playing horrible hockey for most of it before getting propped up on the top line?
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As a Slovak fan I must say I am happy with the way both of these guys are playing right now.

Slaf had to earn those top line minutes, he isn't getting "propped up", although it has to be said that Montreal doesn't exactly have that many options. Anyway, Slaf's play as of late has been very encouraging and I am expecting a strong second half from him.

Nemec has been absolutely brilliant though and as of right now, would likely go no.1 in a redraft. His defensive play has been a really nice surprise for me. I was slightly worried that he would get exposed at the NHL level, but the opposite is true and he is playing with the poise and calmness of a veteran. Sometimes he makes risky maneuvers, but that is to be expected from a player like him. He reads the play very well and more often than not, he is in the right spot.

There is no need to trash one in order to praise the other, in my opinion. They are both prospering right now, and I couldn't be happier as a fan of both.
 
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If the coach places the best defender (in the definition of the verb defend) of the team next to him, there is a reason.

Slafkovsky will always be underestimated because he doesn't score a lot of points. But yes, he is better than Nick Suzuki. All Montreal fans will tell you that. If Montreal had to make the No. 1 pick again, management would take the same player. This is an extremely rare profile. Whereas a Nemec... you can have the same type of player more easily. Levshunov for example.

I know I would have a different opinion if I didn't watch all of Montreal's games... but even yesterday, with a 2-point game, Nemec didn't make as strong an impression on me as Slafkovsky usually does.

Points are really very deceptive in hockey.

There are plenty of players that I underrate because of the points and the fact that I only watch them 2-3 times a year (especially Western Conference players). I am more aware of this than ever because I know that in Montreal, there is a big gap between the statistics and the overall level of play. Guhle is the same. Fewer points than Matheson but better.

By the same way, Siegenthaler is also very undervalued by points.
 
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