RD Moritz Seider (2019, 6th, DET) Part 3

[ponder]

For Seider, I do think both Weber and Pronger are pretty good stylistic comparisons. Will he be as good as Weber, nevermind Pronger? Who knows, obviously those two are/were unreal dmen, it’s very far from a lock, but Seider has nuts potential, it’s possible.

For Edvinsson, agreed that I don’t really see Suter as the best comparable. Main similarity is that puck moving is a strength for both, but otherwise they’re pretty different. Edvinsson is much taller, his skating is more exceptional for his size, and he’s potentially a more dynamic puck carrier. However Suter was more cerebral, higher hockey IQ, much more of a rock solid “makes the right play every time” type. That’s Suter’s main strength - if you’re comparing someone to Suter, they should have standout hockey IQ, but not standout physical abilities - while Edvinsson is more about standout physical abilities than hockey IQ. For upside, I’d compare him more to … Parayko maybe? Or a bigger OEL, who’s better defensively but with a worse shot?

 

[Maverick41]

For Seider, I do think both Weber and Pronger are pretty good stylistic comparisons. Will he be as good as Weber, nevermind Pronger? Who knows, obviously those two are/were unreal dmen, it’s very far from a lock, but Seider has nuts potential, it’s possible.

For Edvinsson, agreed that I don’t really see Suter as the best comparable. Main similarity is that puck moving is a strength for both, but otherwise they’re pretty different. Edvinsson is much taller, his skating is more exceptional for his size, and he’s potentially a more dynamic puck carrier. However Suter was more cerebral, higher hockey IQ, much more of a rock solid “makes the right play every time” type. That’s Suter’s main strength - if you’re comparing someone to Suter, they should have standout hockey IQ, but not standout physical abilities - while Edvinsson is more about standout physical abilities than hockey IQ. For upside, I’d compare him more to … Parayko maybe? Or a bigger OEL, who’s better defensively but with a worse shot?

One problem with the Weber comparison is that everyone immediately thinks of Weber's iconic booming slap shot, and Seider does not have that. I am pretty sure he will develop a decent slapper and a very good wrister over the next couple of years, but he will never be like Weber in that regard. In other areas there are certainly some similarities.

 

[Hen Kolland]

For Seider, I do think both Weber and Pronger are pretty good stylistic comparisons. Will he be as good as Weber, nevermind Pronger? Who knows, obviously those two are/were unreal dmen, it’s very far from a lock, but Seider has nuts potential, it’s possible.

For Edvinsson, agreed that I don’t really see Suter as the best comparable. Main similarity is that puck moving is a strength for both, but otherwise they’re pretty different. Edvinsson is much taller, his skating is more exceptional for his size, and he’s potentially a more dynamic puck carrier. However Suter was more cerebral, higher hockey IQ, much more of a rock solid “makes the right play every time” type. That’s Suter’s main strength - if you’re comparing someone to Suter, they should have standout hockey IQ, but not standout physical abilities - while Edvinsson is more about standout physical abilities than hockey IQ. For upside, I’d compare him more to … Parayko maybe? Or a bigger OEL, who’s better defensively but with a worse shot?

But Seider will never be the same style of defenseman of Weber with the puck on his stick. From that perspective, the Hedman comparison is much more appropriate. Seider isn't a booming slapshot; there's surprisingly soft hands and feel walking the point. Defensively sure, the Weber comparison is probably appropriate.

Edvinsson's breakdown continues to prove the biggest flaw in discussion forums. Nobody knows or can agree to what Edvinsson's game is actually based on. People think he's all offense high risk high reward, others will tell you he's a very refined defensive player with limited offensive game, some will tell you that he is a high IQ player and it compliments his physical gifts very nicely, and others will try to sell him as a physical specimen who isn't capable of thinking his way out of a wet paper bag. It's the main reason there was a massive gap between opinions during the draft cycle. I don't think a majority of scouts are betting on Edvinsson as high as they appeared to in Bob's list if he was considered to not bring to the table standout IQ. We know Dallas had him #1 and the comments from various Wings sources would indicate that they had him as a lottery pick.

 

[newfy]

For Seider, I do think both Weber and Pronger are pretty good stylistic comparisons. Will he be as good as Weber, nevermind Pronger? Who knows, obviously those two are/were unreal dmen, it’s very far from a lock, but Seider has nuts potential, it’s possible.

For Edvinsson, agreed that I don’t really see Suter as the best comparable. Main similarity is that puck moving is a strength for both, but otherwise they’re pretty different. Edvinsson is much taller, his skating is more exceptional for his size, and he’s potentially a more dynamic puck carrier. However Suter was more cerebral, higher hockey IQ, much more of a rock solid “makes the right play every time” type. That’s Suter’s main strength - if you’re comparing someone to Suter, they should have standout hockey IQ, but not standout physical abilities - while Edvinsson is more about standout physical abilities than hockey IQ. For upside, I’d compare him more to … Parayko maybe? Or a bigger OEL, who’s better defensively but with a worse shot?

I cant speak for everyone but I know when I say they could be like a Suter Weber pairing, I'm more talking about their impact on the game, not necessarily their play styles (although Weber and Seider is an ok comp). I'm talking about Detroit having 2 number one type dmen who can each play 27 mins a game if they need to and be considered the best pairing in the league.

 

[Pavels Dog]

26 minutes and another assist.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

I am not exaggerating when I say he is already playing like a top 30 d man in the NHL.

Norris potential is not an overstatement. Shame Dekeyser brings down his analytics

 

[elitepete]

This dude is ridiculously good.

 

[Trojans86]

I am not exaggerating when I say he is already playing like a top 30 d man in the NHL.

Norris potential is not an overstatement. Shame Dekeyser brings down his analytics

That’s crazy. Stevie is killing it. If Edvinnson hits…

 

[Petes2424]

With all due respect to all the really good young D we’re seeing, this kid has ice in his veins much like Makar does. By far the best two young D we’ve seen in some time. You knew guys like Hedman would become stars but they weren’t this poised at 20. Hughes has the confidence and is as exciting as it gets but he’s not as complete of a player as Seider and Makar.

Whoever is scouting D for Detroit needs a raise. It’s Jiri Fischer I believe. Whatever the case, it looks like they’ve hit big with Seider and there’s others who look destined for the NHL. and sooner than anyone thought.

Edvinsson is logging big minutes already in the SHL and they’ve got a few other D who are looking really good right now. Johansson, Sebrango, Viro, all look legit. Add Wallinder and even a McIssac who if he could ever stay healthy, has all the tools.

Detroit could have a lights out D in 2-4 years. It doesn’t hurt when it looks like they’ve hit big with Raymond too. There’d be a lot of experts taking Raymond over Lafreniere in that that draft now.

Good times coming for Detroit.

 

[Stony Curtis]

There are lots of players in the NHL who can think the game quickly. Most of them don't have the physical attributes to do what their brains are telling them to do. On the other hand, there are plenty of guys who get by just by virtue of being really good athletically, and don't think the game as well.

It's been apparent for a while that Seider has an elite-level CPU, but when his brain tells him, "Put this guy into the wall hard enough to rattle whatever teeth he has left, and then take the puck," he's already looking for teammates to pass it to. And he has every physical tool to make it all happen. Repeatedly.

And he's just a freaking baby.

 

[Ricelund]

With his assist last night against Toronto, Seider now has the most points all time by a Red Wings rookie defenseman through 9 games, passing Lidstrom.

 

[LarKing]

Seider better than Lidstrom confirmed. Come at me.

 

[cjeagle]

It is not just the overall rookie standings we are looking at in terms of statistics where Seider leads in assists and is 2nd overall in points to teammate Raymond.

It is the entire NHL pool. Seider is now in the top 10 in the assists category overall for the entire NHL for all skaters.

 

[Stony Curtis]

It is not just the overall rookie standings we are looking at in terms of statistics where Seider leads in assists and is 2nd overall in points to teammate Raymond.

It is the entire NHL pool. Seider is now in the top 10 in the assists category overall for the entire NHL for all skaters.

So what you're saying is he needs to work on his goal scoring?

 

[cjeagle]

So what you're saying is he needs to work on his goal scoring?

You could say the same for all star Tampa Bay defenceman Victor Hedman who also has 8 assists and no goals. Defenceman don't need to score goals to be effective on offence although those bonus contributions would be nice.

The fact that Seider is also excelling on the defensive end, plays in all kind of situations and is a force physically for his team adds a dimension to his game that is not easily quantifiable in stats.

 

[Henkka]

So what you're saying is he needs to work on his goal scoring?

The shot is there. They aren't just using that much. He likes to deliver it more.

 

[Albatros]

He has what it takes to become more of a scoring threat in the future, but at this point his shot is pretty much a non-factor.

 

[Boxscore]

He has what it takes to become more of a scoring threat in the future, but at this point his shot is pretty much a non-factor.

I disagree. He's not Chara or Weber yet but his shot is decent and he places it well. Right now he is a PP architect and does opt to pass a lot more than I hope. I think he needs to start firing away and gain some confidence in his shot. That said, did anyone else see this kid directing traffic on the ice last night for the Wings? What a great player -- mature well beyond his years.

 

[Albatros]

His placement and even timing are okay, but for a guy his size he's been throwing muffins so far. It's not unusual for defensemen to reach their peak relatively late in this regard, however.

 

[Stony Curtis]

You could say the same for all star Tampa Bay defenceman Victor Hedman who also has 8 assists and no goals. Defenceman don't need to score goals to be effective on offence although those bonus contributions would be nice.

The fact that Seider is also excelling on the defensive end, plays in all kind of situations and is a force physically for his team adds a dimension to his game that is not easily quantifiable in stats.

The shot is there. They aren't just using that much. He likes to deliver it more.

My sarcasm delivery system needs an upgrade lol.

 

[OKR]

His placement and even timing are okay, but for a guy his size he's been throwing muffins so far. It's not unusual for defensemen to reach their peak relatively late in this regard, however.

Tbf booming slapshot is pretty niche skill in current NHL especially for a defender, there is very little time to get it off, even less to aim it and it’s much more likely to lead to a turnover. Kids his age are taught to shoot for redirections and rebounds, obviously his slapper will get better as he gets stronger and more experienced shooter, but i don’t think it’s really a thing he needs to work on.

 

[wingerdinger]

Tbf booming slapshot is pretty niche skill in current NHL especially for a defender, there is very little time to get it off, even less to aim it and it’s much more likely to lead to a turnover. Kids his age are taught to shoot for redirections and rebounds, obviously his slapper will get better as he gets stronger and more experienced shooter, but i don’t think it’s really a thing he needs to work on.

Yeah i'd much prefer him try to work on his john carlson wrister than his big slapper.

 

[EXTRAS]

Not even an oiler fan, but think it would be really fun to see what seider could do if he was on that Edmonton team.

 

[Boxscore]

Not even an oiler fan, but think it would be really fun to see what seider could do if he was on that Edmonton team.

Or the Leafs. His size, character and intangibles are exactly what the Leafs need. If he were running that PP, he'd be a 55 point defenseman this season as a rookie.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

Not even an oiler fan, but think it would be really fun to see what seider could do if he was on that Edmonton team.

Or the Leafs. His size, character and intangibles are exactly what the Leafs need. If he were running that PP, he'd be a 55 point defenseman this season as a rookie.

No.

He's ours, now go away!
Let us Wings fans have something nice again! We've been bad long enough.