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RD Moritz Seider (2019, 6th, DET) Part 2

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drw02 said:
Ugh, we're not allowed to have nice things anymore

Looked like arm/wrist injury, hopefully nothing broken
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ide add it looks like that vid was faster than real speed making it hopefully look worse than really is
 

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Thats the team telling us that they will report on Seider in the morning so I'd say we'll know in 8ish hours.
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Moritz Seider injured himself at the end of the third period in tonight's match in Gävle and was eliminated. Moritz switched and then went to the hospital for further examinations. We will return tomorrow with more information about his status when we know better. #roglebk
 
newfy said:
The SHL isnt allowing for loans like that this year. You either got loaned for the whole season or not at all
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I don’t think it’s a blanket rule because Hoglander came over after being loaned.
 
BStinson said:
I don’t think it’s a blanket rule because Hoglander came over after being loaned.
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Hoglander was in Sweden prior to coming over. He wasn't "loaned" the way that Seider was. Rogle already had Hoglander's rights in the SHL from previous years, and he left to enter the NHL. The Wings and Seider had to find a team to place Seider, with an agreement that Seider would stay for the duration of the season. SHL teams weren't going to make room on their rosters and in their lineups for new players that could then just leave abruptly when it became convenient for the NHL club to recall the players.
 
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Hen Kolland said:
Hoglander was in Sweden prior to coming over. He wasn't "loaned" the way that Seider was. Rogle already had Hoglander's rights in the SHL from previous years, and he left to enter the NHL. The Wings and Seider had to find a team to place Seider, with an agreement that Seider would stay for the duration of the season. SHL teams weren't going to make room on their rosters and in their lineups for new players that could then just leave abruptly when it became convenient for the NHL club to recall the players.
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Is there a cutoff date as Hoglander was signed to his ELC in April of 2020 so wouldn’t his rights be to the Nucks and he would’ve been loaned to the SHL? I see Hoglander also had the loan destination on EP. I know the NHL CBA references the IIHF for loans but can’t find any great documation surrounding that.
 
BStinson said:
Is there a cutoff date as Hoglander was signed to his ELC in April of 2020 so wouldn’t his rights be to the Nucks and he would’ve been loaned to the SHL? I see Hoglander also had the loan destination on EP. I know the NHL CBA references the IIHF for loans but can’t find any great documation surrounding that.
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Its basically that Hoglander had a prior contract in the SHL which for those young guys all pretty well have NHL out clauses where they can leave if they make a team.

A guy like Seider signed after the season started strictly as a covid loan to get games in. The SHL made a rule that anyone who does that has to stay the whole season or they cant sign. No out clauses.
 
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newfy said:
Its basically that Hoglander had a prior contract in the SHL which for those young guys all pretty well have NHL out clauses where they can leave if they make a team.

A guy like Seider signed after the season started strictly as a covid loan to get games in. The SHL made a rule that anyone who does that has to stay the whole season or they cant sign. No out clauses.
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Right, the SHL wasn’t interested in being the NHL’s play thing. You don’t get to use us as your developmental league because it’s convenient.

I respect both sides coming to this agreement
 
From The Athletic:
Moritz Seider is turning in a dominant SHL season. His 0.77 points per game (24 points in 31 games) are the third most among all SHL defenders this season, and, as of right now, would be the best rate ever by a U20 defenseman in that league (with a minimum 10 games played). Those are major accomplishments, particularly considering offensive production is not even considered the hallmark of Seider’s game.

The Red Wings felt Seider needed to become more of a scoring threat from the point, and he put the work in to become one: Seider has already more than doubled his AHL goals total in 18 fewer games in Sweden.

“I think that’s given him more confidence to get pucks to the net,” Red Wings director of player development Shawn Horcoff told The Athletic recently. “He distributes the puck well, his offense is just — I think it’s more of a confidence thing than anything. He’s starting to feel good in those situations and feeling like he can score.”

Rögle is getting nearly 60 percent of all shots with Seider on the ice, according to Svengelska Hockey. Perhaps more impressively, Seider’s 5-on-5 goals for percentage is 68.9 percent.

“Especially the last month and a half, he’s just been such a dominant (player),” Horcoff said. “He might be the best defenseman in the SHL, which in my opinion is the third-best league in the world at this point. And the kid just reeks of confidence. He’s a guy that wants to have the puck all the time, he’s open to criticism, he’s open to teaching.

“He just has a quiet confidence about him, and he knows that he can be a player that can contribute on the ice in all situations. And that’s what we like the most, is he seems to be a guy that you can kind of throw over the boards given anything that the game calls for.”
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Because the NHL is so much faster, I expect to see mistakes. What I'm interested in seeing is how quickly he adjusts. His learning curve has been off the charts for 3 plus years now. He just seems to be one of those rare players who processes things lightning fast, but also has the athletic ability to quickly do what his brain is telling him to do.
 
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Stony Curtis said:
Because the NHL is so much faster, I expect to see mistakes. What I'm interested in seeing is how quickly he adjusts. His learning curve has been off the charts for 3 plus years now. He just seems to be one of those rare players who processes things lightning fast, but also has the athletic ability to quickly do what his brain is telling him to do.
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Great post. I hope the expectations aren’t too out of control when he arrives simply based on what are, admittedly - frankly amazing performance in the SHL. You can point to EP coming over after a mind-blowing SHL season and putting up nearly a PPG his rookie year in the NHL but the differences between adapting as a scoring usage forward and as an all-around defender as a young player are pretty monumental. Not to mention he will be joining a very bad roster with a terrible blue line.

But he has definitely earned a long leash to play through any rough learning patches when he gets here based on his evolving and rapid improvement and adaptation at every level this far. I hate the Wings but I can’t wait to see Seider on NHL ice. The guy has a dash of Lidstrom and a dash of Konstantinov/Kronwall...it’s a very exciting skill set (obviously I’m just trying to say he’s so multifaceted not that he’s gonna be a Hall of Famer...)
 
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Great post. I hope the expectations aren’t too out of control when he arrives simply based on what are, admittedly - frankly amazing performance in the SHL. You can point to EP coming over after a mind-blowing SHL season and putting up nearly a PPG his rookie year in the NHL but the differences between adapting as a scoring usage forward and as an all-around defender as a young player are pretty monumental. Not to mention he will be joining a very bad roster with a terrible blue line.

But he has definitely earned a long leash to play through any rough learning patches when he gets here based on his evolving and rapid improvement and adaptation at every level this far. I hate the Wings but I can’t wait to see Seider on NHL ice. The guy has a dash of Lidstrom and a dash of Konstantinov/Kronwall...it’s a very exciting skill set (obviously I’m just trying to say he’s so multifaceted not that he’s gonna be a Hall of Famer...)
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Detroit's 5v5 defense has been one of the best in the league so far this season. Merrill, Stecher, Djoos and even Staal (incredible, I know) have been significant upgrades in zone exits/ending opposition zone time quickly/suppressing shot and shot attempts against compared to Daley/Ericssson/Bowey/the ghost of Mike Green last season. Nemeth had a rough start, but he's been improving since Blashill broke up him and Hronek. The offense/power play however, has been horrendous (Detroit is 0 for 21 on the power play in their 7 one-goal losses this season, so it's been tough for them to win games despite the improvement on defense).

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It fully depends on the players that Steve keeps around and trades at the deadline and anything can happen in a rebuild like Detroit's (I anticipate at least Merrill, Stecher and Djoos being on the team next season), but Seider should have more defensive support than given credit for around him by the time he makes the NHL.
 
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