Tkachuk Norris
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RD Mitchell Miller - Tri-City Storm, USHL (2020, 111th, ARI, rights renounced)
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Pavel Buchnevich
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I’ll ask nicely. Please don’t make accusations about me from a personal standpoint based on a difference of opinion on the internet. You don’t know me. You are an anonymous stranger.
I didn’t do that to you or anyone for pouring hate on this kid.
3 Minute Minor
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Weird hill to die on here Pavel.
The problem with Miller is that at the time and continuing to today, there has been no show of remorse. At all. None.
Nobody should just give him a pass without some sort of proof of rehabilitation, regardless of what age he was. All that does is reinforce this idea that he's the victim because this incident from his past keeps hanging over him. But that's just a consequence to his actions and he's going to deal with it until it's addressed. Now maybe I'm wrong and he's addressed it publicly somewhere? But even when he does, it's going to keep coming up. He can't run away from it or pretend it didn't happen.
If he addressed it head on, showed remorse, was proving to people that he was changing, it would have been a total non-issue going into this draft. But here we are.
The problem with Miller is that at the time and continuing to today, there has been no show of remorse. At all. None.
Nobody should just give him a pass without some sort of proof of rehabilitation, regardless of what age he was. All that does is reinforce this idea that he's the victim because this incident from his past keeps hanging over him. But that's just a consequence to his actions and he's going to deal with it until it's addressed. Now maybe I'm wrong and he's addressed it publicly somewhere? But even when he does, it's going to keep coming up. He can't run away from it or pretend it didn't happen.
If he addressed it head on, showed remorse, was proving to people that he was changing, it would have been a total non-issue going into this draft. But here we are.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
No, here's the actual problem.
You don't know. Do not act like you know. You and others apparently feel power to claim really serious things about this guy from a personal perspective without knowing a thing.
No one here even pretends they have personal knowledge. They think they can read an internet article or two that doesn't prove what they claim, and then since its the internet and things are anonymous on this website that they can just say anything.
You and others continue to slander this kid. Meanwhile, I take the stance that I don't know. I think it's pathetic to anonymously pour hate on someone on a message board when you don't know the situation. I don't know the guy. Would have to have some personal knowledge or speak with people with close personal knowledge to claim what some of you do. But again, this is the internet nowadays. People get death threats for having differences of opinions. People want an 18 year old kid to suffer in his life because they read something about his behavior from years ago.
And I will absolutely continue to speak my opinion. Don't like it? Thats your issue. I don't care how many of you don't like it. I'd prefer hockey to be discussed, but as long as people want to continue to pour hate into this kid on a personal level, I'll continue to give my opinion on the whole situation.
So the judge coming out and saying he sees zero remorse, and the mother of the victim coming out and saying specifically that Mitchell wasn't showing any remorse (while she said the other teen showed remorse). He bullied the victim from 2nd grade, all the way till he was 14. There is plenty of proof we are giving you, but apparently its not enough proof.
But thats who you are, we could show you a video of Miller verbally admitting he doesn't care or isn't sorry, and it still wouldnt be enough proof for you. Its actually gross you don't think there is anything wrong with this
CheckingLineCenter
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My whole point is you’re saying you’ve been attacked when someone said they found your stance “poor form”. That’s not an attack?
Also you know you’re inviting criticism when you post things like “the salt is real” in here. Just immature to do that, get criticized for it, then say you’ve been personally attacked.
(You say you’re not casting aspersions on anyone then in the same breath call people who don’t like the kid due to his actions pathetic- but I digress)
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
People hope for an 18 year old kid to fail in life because they read something about his behavior from years ago and some anonymous quotes about who he currently is as a person. I jabbed back at how pathetic that is. I don't know how that has anything to do with my character or my morals or anything of that sort. My comment was a commentary on the rhetoric, not this guy's life. I don't know enough to comment on the latter, unlike many people here who have close personal relationships to this kid that they pour hate into.
Is it not inviting criticism to say you hope an 18 year old fails in life based off speculation about someone's current character? Oh no, apparently it isn't. We now accept things as true until they are proven to be completely false.
3 Minute Minor
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You're giving him the benefit of the doubt because Arizona drafted him...
Do we want to look into the ethics around the Arizona Coyotes recently?
Unfortunately for you, his character is part of hockey. Check out Brendan Leipsic's current NHL status if you don't believe me.
You keep saying you don't know the kid and you don't know the story. Maybe you should stop posting in here and do a little homework before you come in here defending his actions.
btw it's not slander to state what has been proven true in court.
CheckingLineCenter
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Dude that’s not what you said. You posted “the salt is real” which comes off as rubbing something in peoples faces/gloating. And it’s just a weird player /scenario to do that with. Not like the guy got under drafted due to size or skating, ya know?
And to the bolded: I have no idea what you’re saying. It’s true and it happened. The kid admitted to doing it, and was sentenced. You have NHL sources saying they wouldn’t touch him. It’s absolutely fair to have an opinion on the situation.
Flamesfan62
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Seems like HF needs to add a drama category. Stick to hockey fellas.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
You're giving him the benefit of the doubt because Arizona drafted him...
Do we want to look into the ethics around the Arizona Coyotes recently?
Unfortunately for you, his character is part of hockey. Check out Brendan Leipsic's current NHL status if you don't believe me.
You keep saying you don't know the kid and you don't know the story. Maybe you should stop posting in here and do a little homework before you come in here defending his actions.
btw it's not slander to state what has been proven true in court.
Where did I say I'm giving the kid the benefit of the doubt because Arizona drafted him? Oh, thats right. I never said that. I said that I don't know the situation well enough to comment on his character. A team that would know his character much better than you or I drafted him to play hockey. This is a hockey website. This is not a website dedicated to Mitchell Miller's personal character. But yes, let's continue to hear all the slander from the posters in this thread who are personally very close to him.
Do you not see the difference between the situation of Leipsic and Miller? Leipsic's team investigated the situation, and released him. Miller's character was almost certainly dug into by Arizona, and they drafted him. Or do you not see how what you said might not be the most intelligent point?
By the way, actions from four years ago are not proof of the kid's current character. Don't give me this "proven true in court" bullshit. Thats totally irrelevant to the current discussion. No one backed his actions from years back, and if you were an honest person, you wouldn't even bring that up.
So the NHL, OHL and his OWN TEAM all suspending him numerous times total while also explaining why he was suspended isn't proof to you?
Oh my.
Yog S'loth
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Man, I would hate to have people on the internet judge my entire life based solely on the stupidest thing I ever did when I was fourteen.
CantLoseWithMatthews
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let's not act like that was a normal stupid thing that all 14 year olds do
TheBeastCoast
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If you were beating up and bullying disabled kids as a 14 year old then you are a piece of shit too! Yes teenagers do stupid things but please lets not act like this is anywhere within the realm of normal teenage behavior in anyway at all.
it was awful, but as a father of three boys who've all passed that age, I've seen enough kids over the years to know that some are very troubled but can be rehabilitated. Some are just evil and past the point of redemption. This incident, to the extent it's portrayed accurately suggests he's cruel and exploitative which may give reason to have him tested for borderline personality disorder or even to evaluate whether he is a sociopath. Hopefully he has gotten therapy since then and is genuinely a different person who should be allowed a second chance if he is truly repentant and understands and accepts why this was fundamentally wrong on a scary level and has learned what was wrong inside his psyche that thought this was acceptable and corrected it. I'd like to think at his age he is deserving of another chance but it would be after I have him tested and evaluated by competent professionals.
We all cheer harder for guys that have done good things or seem to have really awesome character so by the same token it's completely valid for others to not be rooting for someone who's done bad things compared to another prospect. There are severely limited spots for the taking and there's nothing wrong with wanting someone who you can feel good rooting for to take that spot. I feel like some people just get a huge kick out of "thinking differently" or playing devil's advocate. If you're not judging Miller then cool you do you, but other people can hope someone else gets the fame and prestige if they'd like and that doesn't mean they're personally harming his chances.
Johnny Hanson
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You know this kid is of questionable character when he’s committed to UND and the senators don’t even move up to draft him
Raistlin
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"Character" is a big part of being integrated into a team. To not talk about character and "focus on hockey" is preposterous to a ridiculous degree.
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He's a piece of garbage, embarrassing that Arizona would give him the pleasure of being drafted
I'm presuming you are talking about what he did when he was 14 and younger and that you don't have recent intel?
I'm not a Miller fan for obvious reasons, I'm just hoping to have us stick to the facts on this one.
Mitch Miller is going to have some different hurdles compared to your typical prospect. He's going to have to actually show some genuine growth as a human being and be able to speak clearly about how he's grown. Work for an anti-bullying charity or something. He's not going to be able to just jump in to an NHL locker room as if he doesn't have a past, and have the media just ignore him. Maybe he's capable of that growth, maybe he's not. A lot of prospects in his range aren't going to make it, these are just very different hurdles to overcome. In Mitchell's case he's also probably a better hockey player than 50+ kids taken before him, so it's not impossible that he makes it.
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I think you overstate the hoops he'll have to jump through. Keep his head down and progress as a hockey player is what's on the menu. There won't be an elaborate rehabilitation project.
The market he's in will help. Can you imagine if Toronto drafted him and he was in a media scrum with some of that press? Steve Simmons: "Mitchell, what does it feel like to torment a developmentally challenged kid and then fall in the draft?"
He should be asked these questions
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