RD Mitchell Miller - Tri-City Storm, USHL (2020, 111th, ARI, rights renounced)

[Pia8988]

A lot of people here criticizing the kid are complete hypocrites, by the way. You want to throw stones from a glass house.

This is a forum. We are all strangers. No one’s going to hold you to your past sins. You should be a little more understanding that 14 year olds make mistakes and shouldn’t be held at 18 to their mistakes at 14, unless they keep repeating them.

I think many here would rather act high and mighty. I guess the posters of HF were model citizens at 14 and never did anything terrible or got in any trouble as a teenager. All of you must be better people than this kid. He’s beneath you.

You're taking this way too personal. I can say I have never done anything even remotely close. What he did is awful and seems to not have a lot of remorse at the time. Team interviews also must not be going well if he's off so many lists.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You're taking this way too personal

It’s not personal, at all. I don’t know the kid, and don’t know anyone who has.

I will however stick up for him against the internet mob that are attacking him to be faux-moralizers.

Unless anyone here knows the guy personally and can give some relevant info on his character, using an incident from when he was 14 years old to attack him and try to ruin his career is pretty awful, in my opinion, and I will stick up for him. I will be the only one to do if, if I have to.

 

[member 96824]

I couldn’t care less. If you take all your direction from authority figures you’ve never heard of, that’s your choice. That’s not how I look at things.

No..hardly...but I do prefer make my opinion based on someone who’s heard both sides of the story and seen both parties in person. That was their reaction.

Do you know the kid?

Do you?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

No..hardly...but I do prefer make my opinion based on someone who’s heard both sides of the story and seen both parties in person. That was their reaction.

That’s over four years ago when he was 14. And no one said anything positive about that incident.

I don’t see why fans think they have the right to criticize his character with no knowledge of his character. No, something from over four years ago when he was 14 can not be the basis to criticize his character right now.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

It’ll be a tough road for Miller for his past but teams have shown a willingness to give second chances. Considering how high Central Scouting has him ranked and how close CSB and NHL team scouts are, it’s safe to say at least one team will be willing to gamble and deal with the PR blowback.

A lot of people who were bullied are very active and vocal on social media about victims so Miller will never be allowed to forget what he did. Personally, I like giving kids a chance to mature and correct themselves.

 

[member 96824]

That’s over four years ago when he was 14. And no one said anything positive about that incident.

I don’t see why fans think they have the right to criticize his character with no knowledge of his character. No, something from over four years ago when he was 14 can not be the basis to criticize his character right now.

Aren’t you judging his character with no knowledge of his character..just in the other way?

Aren’t you judging everyone else’s character with your broad brushes that they’re all frauds and hypocrites?

 

[JungleBeat]

Terrible actions and no sense of remorse makes it worse. I hope the Sens stay far away from this guy.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

It’ll be a tough road for Miller for his past but teams have shown a willingness to give second chances. Considering how high Central Scouting has him ranked and how close CSB and NHL team scouts are, it’s safe to say at least one team will be willing to gamble and deal with the PR blowback.

A lot of people who were bullied are very active and vocal on social media about victims so Miller will never be allowed to forget what he did. Personally, I like giving kids a chance to mature and correct themselves.

The bottom line is sports, like much of society loves a good "redemption" story. There will be some teams that have him as a DND, but someone will take him and take him high because of his potential as a player. I mean, he's not a total pariah as USA Hockey added him to the summer camp eval list. Make your own Beezer joke there if you must.

 

[BondraTime]

A lot of people here criticizing the kid are complete hypocrites, by the way. You want to throw stones from a glass house.

This is a forum. We are all strangers. No one’s going to hold you to your past sins. You should be a little more understanding that 14 year olds make mistakes and shouldn’t be held at 18 to their mistakes at 14, unless they keep repeating them. I’m sure a lot of you made worse mistakes than this kid.

Yet unfortunately, I think many here would rather act high and mighty. I guess the posters of HF were model citizens at 14 and never did anything terrible or got in any trouble as a teenager. All of you must be better people than this kid. He’s beneath you.

This seems like a bad satire

 

[KapG]

A lot of people here criticizing the kid are complete hypocrites, by the way. You want to throw stones from a glass house.

This is a forum. We are all strangers. No one’s going to hold you to your past sins. You should be a little more understanding that 14 year olds make mistakes and shouldn’t be held at 18 to their mistakes at 14, unless they keep repeating them. I’m sure a lot of you made worse mistakes than this kid.

Yet unfortunately, I think many here would rather act high and mighty. I guess the posters of HF were model citizens at 14 and never did anything terrible or got in any trouble as a teenager. All of you must be better people than this kid. He’s beneath you.

Have you even read what this kid was doing? Just normal 14 year old shenanigans eh. Foh

 

[S E P H]

I mean all bullying is wrong and I suggest that all of us have been on each side of the spectrum in our lives, but physically bullying a mental handicap lad is just...yeah...

 

[lidstromiscool]

I mean all bullying is wrong and I suggest that all of us have been on each side of the spectrum in our lives, but physically bullying a mental handicap lad is just...yeah...

Yeah, I'm sure some of us have ding dong ditched a house when we were younger or something like that. But buying a lollipop and rubbing it on a urinal and giving it to a special needs student is a disgusting act. Not to mention kicking and punching him. When you're 14, you know right from wrong. Wouldn't touch this pos in the draft on principle.

 

[Psuhockey]

Here's the article if you want more details on this incident. Pretty disgusting stuff and far beyond being a dumb kid. I'm not a fan of burying someone for their actions at 14 (within reason), but I don't blame NHL teams for considering it and being concerned. If Mitchell and his family are being evasive and he's not interviewing well - especially if he's coming across as unrepentant about the incident, still seems like as a bully, etc. - it's completely reasonable to put him on a DND list if he's seemingly learned no communicable lessons from this after 4+ years.

I hope he's matured, learned, changed. Not for his hockey prospects, but for him as a person. But if he's making the opposite case, it's hard to expect him to get the benefit of the doubt.

I wouldn’t put too much stock in the not interviewing well or that’s teams have him on their do not draft list. He’s a talented right hand shot defenseman, one of the most prized and rare commodities in the NHL. He was also a little off the radar. Don’t think for a second that teams aren’t purposefully trying to depress his draft status so they themselves can pick him later.

What he did was terrible but players have been accused of worse and at an even older age and still played in the NHL. I am thinking this isn’t the big deal this board thinks it is to a lot of NHL GMs.

 

[57special]

What he did was pretty bad, and it was not a one time incident, but went on for years. His lack of remorse, commented on by the judge, is telling, also. Having said all that, if now, years later, he admits his fault during interviews and is contrite, then I'm sure he will be picked, though perhaps lower than he would otherwise be. If he is too stupid to do that, then he doesn't deserve to be drafted.

So, he is being judged not only for his past actions, but also how he views his past actions now.

 

[majormajor]

I wouldn’t put too much stock in the not interviewing well or that’s teams have him on their do not draft list. He’s a talented right hand shot defenseman, one of the most prized and rare commodities in the NHL. He was also a little off the radar. Don’t think for a second that teams aren’t purposefully trying to depress his draft status so they themselves can pick him later.

What he did was terrible but players have been accused of worse and at an even older age and still played in the NHL. I am thinking this isn’t the big deal this board thinks it is to a lot of NHL GMs.

Teams take their locker rooms very seriously. Bad apples can build a bad room which creates a bad team, nevermind the talent level.

He'll have to show that he's a very different person first, and then he'll get a shot.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Aren’t you judging his character with no knowledge of his character..just in the other way?

Aren’t you judging everyone else’s character with your broad brushes that they’re all frauds and hypocrites?

In what way am I judging his character? Is it now making a judgement on someone’s character to say we can’t make judgement’s without real current info?

I am painting with a broad brush about posters here. Then again, they were the ones that went after this guy unnecessarily and have delivered no indication that they are basing this on any real current info. If I’m wrong about one or two, I stand corrected, but I think it applies to all or most.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

When you're 14, you know right from wrong. Wouldn't touch this pos in the draft on principle.

Not necessarily. Most studies show the brain isn’t fully developed until 24-25. Some will no right from wrong at that age, but not all.

 

[lidstromiscool]

Not necessarily. Most studies show the brain isn’t fully developed until 24-25. Some will no right from wrong at that age, but not all.

99.9% of people will know what these idiots did is wrong. That's not "some" people. "Some" people won't get drafted into the NHL.

 

[member 96824]

In what way am I judging his character? Is it now making a judgement on someone’s character to say we can’t make judgement’s without real current info?

You’ve taken it upon yourself to judge his character as one that’s reformed and no longer worthy of criticism..no?

I am painting with a broad brush about posters here. Then again, they were the ones that went after this guy unnecessarily and have delivered no indication that they are basing this on any real current info. If I’m wrong about one or two, I stand corrected, but I think it applies to all or most.

And that, is what makes you a hypocrite. You have been touting throughout that everyone here is just as guilty of having the same type of things in their past, that they’re all hypocrites and frauds...your words there.

You’ve taken it upon yourself to be the arbiter of character and done nothing but judge people you don’t know in this thread. I don’t know you, I haven’t seen any of your posts outside of this thread so I can only speak to what I’m seeing here. But what I see here is not some white knight fighting the mighty powers of cancel culture and standing up for second chances. What I see is nothing more than someone who can’t handle other people not sharing his or her opinion on a hockey player.

That was proven when you tossed out the only person who’s weighed in having actually been a part of the case’s opinion cause it didn’t line up with yours. “I couldn’t care less” was your phrase.

So save the act and sure as f*** save the accusations that myself and others were doing things just as bad. I’m not “throwing stones from a glass house” cause I’ve never been found guilty for bullying autistic kids. Maybe you have those skeletons in your closet and that’s why this hits so personal for you, I’ll leave you with your own words.

Let’s be upfront about this. You took offense because you feel like you have something to hide.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You’ve taken it upon yourself to judge his character as one that’s reformed and no longer worthy of criticism..no?

I have not.

You’ve taken it upon yourself to judge my response to you and the other members of the mob as a defense of his actions.

I’ve merely said don’t slander this kid’s name or try to run him out of work on the basis of no current info.

And that, is what makes you a hypocrite. You have been touting throughout that everyone here is just as guilty of having the same type of things in their past, that they’re all hypocrites and frauds...your words there.

You’ve taken it upon yourself to be the arbiter of character and done nothing but judge people you don’t know in this thread. I don’t know you, I haven’t seen any of your posts outside of this thread so I can only speak to what I’m seeing here. But what I see here is not some white knight fighting the mighty powers of cancel culture and standing up for second chances. What I see is nothing more than someone who can’t handle other people not sharing his or her opinion on a hockey player.

That was proven when you tossed out the only person who’s weighed in having actually been a part of the case’s opinion cause it didn’t line up with yours. “I couldn’t care less” was your phrase.

I think this type of rhetoric is what we get when someone is so determined to slander someone’s name or condemn them for immoral acts as a child. You’ve invested into it, and now I’m the bad guy in your way of attacking this guy because I call you and others what you are.

I have taken it upon myself to say that you and the others who’ve attacked this guy and condemned him without any current reasoning probably did things similarly dumb at that age.

I have never defended what he did. The point is merely that people who committed immoral acts at a similar age should be aware that decision making at 14 isn’t fully developed and it would be too far of a leap to condemn them, slander them and try to try to put them out of work at 18.

And for the last time, your favorite authority figures don’t make your argument better. It could be this judge you cite, the NHL, or the King of the f***ing world, citing authority figures without the context in your favor doesn’t make your argument stronger.

So save the act and sure as f*** save the accusations that myself and others were doing things just as bad. I’m not “throwing stones from a glass house” cause I’ve never been found guilty for bullying autistic kids. Maybe you have those skeletons in your closet and that’s why this hits so personal for you, I’ll leave you with your own words.

This is the quintessential dishonest response you’ll get from certain people on this website. Dig through someone’s posting history to find a post they made days, maybe weeks, ago on a completely different subject with a completely different context, try to apply it here, and attack that person for it, as if it applies here. And to think there are actually people dumb enough to back your post. Crazy. This approach is also littered throughout your post. If you equivalize everything, you’ll find a contradiction, and you think that’ll win you the argument. How about addressing the actual arguments made and not trying to play run-around games about this?

You and your cohort are exactly the type that would take huge offense to a pretty tame and realistic statement that 14 year old kids do dumb shit and shouldn’t be held to it later in life. Maybe some people did worse. Maybe they did similar. Discussing this complex subject in anything except rage and raw emotion will dilute the point of the attacks against this guy. They are all about rage and faux-self morality. It’s all an emotional play. If we are realistic that people make mistakes, especially 14 year olds, and we probably shouldn’t be making judgements against someone’s character at the age of 18 based only on what happened at 14, that’s a little too rational for a mob mentality.

Since you are so interested in myself, I genuinely don’t think I did anything I’d consider as bad as that at 14, but I know people who did, and I didn’t take part in an angry mob that was out to get them at the age of 18. I’m probably not on your moral plane though. Would it have been better if I tried to put them out of work for things they did worse than this?

 

[member 96824]

I have not.

You’ve taken it upon yourself to judge my response to you and the other members of the mob as a defense of his actions.

I’ve merely said don’t slander this kid’s name or try to run him out of work on the basis of no current info.



I think this type of rhetoric is what we get when someone is so determined to slander someone’s name or condemn them for immoral acts as a child. You’ve invested into it, and now I’m the bad guy in your way of attacking this guy because I call you and others what you are.

I have taken it upon myself to say that you and the others who’ve attacked this guy and condemned him without any current reasoning probably did things similarly dumb at that age.

I have never defended what he did. The point is merely that people who committed immoral acts at a similar age should be aware that decision making at 14 isn’t fully developed and it would be too far of a leap to condemn them, slander them and try to try to put them out of work at 18.

And for the last time, your favorite authority figures don’t make your argument better. It could be this judge you cite, the NHL, or the King of the f***ing world, citing authority figures without the context in your favor doesn’t make your argument stronger.



This is the quintessential dishonest response you’ll get from certain people on this website. Dig through someone’s posting history to find a post they made days, maybe weeks, ago on a completely different subject with a completely different context, try to apply it here, and attack that person for it, as if it applies here. And to think there are actually people dumb enough to back your post. Crazy. This approach is also littered throughout your post. If you equivalize everything, you’ll find a contradiction, and you think that’ll win you the argument. How about addressing the actual arguments made and not trying to play run-around games about this?

You and your cohort are exactly the type that would take huge offense to a pretty tame and realistic statement that 14 year old kids do dumb shit and shouldn’t be held to it later in life. Maybe some people did worse. Maybe they did similar. Discussing this complex subject in anything except rage and raw emotion will dilute the point of the attacks against this guy. They are all about rage and faux-self morality. It’s all an emotional play. If we are realistic that people make mistakes, especially 14 year olds, and we probably shouldn’t be making judgements against someone’s character at the age of 18 based only on what happened at 14, that’s a little too rational for a mob mentality.

Since you are so interested in myself, I genuinely don’t think I did anything I’d consider as bad as that at 14, but I know people who did, and I didn’t take part in an angry mob that was out to get them at the age of 18. I’m probably not on your moral plane though. Would it have been better if I tried to put them out of work for things they did worse than this?

The majority of this post is absolute nonsense. I invite you to scroll back and see where I’ve “slandered” this kid though.

Bottom line, you’ve done absolutely nothing in this thread but pass judgement on people you don’t know...including the player in question. That’s it. Every post is filled with rhetoric slinging mud at everyone in defense of Mitch. Any other information that’s come up, you’ve dismissed cause it doesn’t align with the narrative, which you yourself don’t know if it’s true or not, that you’re trying to push.

GM’s don’t think he’s interviewing well? “Fraud”
GM doesn’t think his camp is being forthcoming about the incident?
“Hypocrite”
Judge that oversaw the case thinks he doesn’t get it?
“Couldn’t care less”

So again, you’re not a white knight standing up to the big bad cancel culture...you’re just a phony.

The funny thing is I agree that Mitch deserves a second chance, but like it or not that also has to be earned.

He’s not entitled to anything because he’s a good hockey player. GMs interviewed him, a couple didn’t like his answers, so they don’t plan on giving him a job. Big whoop...That doesn’t make them frauds or hypocrites. That’s literally their job as employers. I think that’s the piece you don’t get in your “defend Mitch Miller at all costs even if it means justifying bullying autistic kids” tirade. this was well well well well well beyond the normal teenager activity..this was sickening psychotic behavior but even still, of course everyone did stupid shit as a teenager..but don’t you think that if his demeanor and answers were showing remorse and change that he wouldn’t be landing on “do not draft” lists? Those quotes didn’t say “yeah we like him as a player but the PR from the mob would just be too bad” they were suggesting that, like the judge said, Mitch still doesn’t “get it”

If Mitch didn’t want to have to answer questions about bullying autistic kids, he shouldn’t have done it. Should it be a life sentence? Of course not..but thats his reality and he chose it. No one made the decisions he made but him. How he handles it now is what will lead to him being drafted into an exclusive club of the best hockey players in the world. That’s the important piece, not reliving the scenario and going back in time, but handling it now, in 2020. Sounds like he’s not handling it well now either...

I’ve said my part. If you’re just going to repeat yourself again and hit the whole “c’mon man everyone did that at 14..well..except me” save your fingers.

 

[Killerjas]

For sure he is on some team's Do Not Draft list, but hope he gets a 2nd chance.

 

[FlyguyOX]

F this kid.

 

[KapG]

I believe in giving people 2nd chances but I am not in a position to stand by this if it was my kid, so who knows...

I don’t have kids but I sure as heck know I wouldn’t forgive this piece of shit. You have read what he was doing to the poor disabled kid right? It’s AWFUL. He sure as hell was old enough to know it was wrong too. I wonder how many other poor kids he’s tormented throughout the years.

f*** Miller.

 

[Hanji]

What’s wrong with you people? Miller was 14.

A 14 year old understands right and wrong, but can't always comprehend the true depth and ramifications of their actions. That’s why they're not held to the same standards as adults.

Bullies, even severe ones, aren’t innately bad kids. They act out for a variety of reasons (bad parenting, insecurity, etc.). Get inside a kid's head and you can change their life forever. Heck, bullies also change as they mature and are exposed to different ways of life beyond the troubled worldview of their youth. Happens all the time.

Has or will Miller change? No idea. But demonizing an adult for their actions at 14 is beyond absurd. It’s actually something a 14 year old would do.