Speculation: Raymond Seider Contract Speculation

[schuelma24]

This wording typically comes out <1 week before a deal is done.

yup...I'm taking this as very good news.

 

[JoesuffP]

Monday morning I’m going to wake up to two 8 year deals

 

[Euro Twins]

How much leverage does Raymond even have other than signing an offer sheet? And are we sold on his production ASCENDING? Because a big raise implies him scoring A LOT more...

Big raise? Yes he will get a big raise after an elc.

A 70 point player makes 8m now.

So if he wants 8x8 he literally can just keep producing how he did last season. Anything extra is a bargain, and anything less an overpayment.

That's how long term deals with young players work, risk/reward

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Big raise? Yes he will get a big raise after an elc.

A 70 point player makes 8m now.

So if he wants 8x8 he literally can just keep producing how he did last season. Anything extra is a bargain, and anything less an overpayment.

That's how long term deals with young players work, risk/reward

I think he wants more than this with the cap going up. My thing is he has only done these numbers exactly once...

 

[ShanahanMan]

That’s not what he said.

Literally just going off this:

Raymond Agent: Deal With Red Wings Not Imminent

Talks not close to resolution

detroithockeynow.com

 

[Henkka]

Big raise? Yes he will get a big raise after an elc.

A 70 point player makes 8m now.

So if he wants 8x8 he literally can just keep producing how he did last season. Anything extra is a bargain, and anything less an overpayment.

That's how long term deals with young players work, risk/reward

I think Raymond could go to KHL.

Just saw some videos of Ukrainian rockets flying and hitting near Moscow. Maybe that's the nice place to live and play hockey, if Yzerman offer isn't enough.

 

[norrisnick]

I think Raymond could go to KHL.

Just saw some videos of Ukrainian rockets flying and hitting near Moscow. Maybe that's the nice place to live and play hockey, if Yzerman offer isn't enough.

TF are you even on about?

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Literally just going off this:

Raymond Agent: Deal With Red Wings Not Imminent

Talks not close to resolution

detroithockeynow.com

Yeah, I don't value a single thing that detroithockeynow has ever said. Maybe I'm conflating it with RWC or that other dime store newspaper "columnist" who tried stirring up some "credibility" by getting into a twitter/article spat with Drew Sharp before he passed.

They're all the same level of schlock receptacle reporting that I place no value in. They either report stuff LONG after it's confirmed or they throw shit against the wall and hope to eventually run into a story. It would be like taking hockeybuzz and Eklund to be legitimate journalism.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Yeah, I don't value a single thing that detroithockeynow has ever said. Maybe I'm conflating it with RWC or that other dime store newspaper "columnist" who tried stirring up some "credibility" by getting into a twitter/article spat with Drew Sharp before he passed.

They're all the same level of schlock receptacle reporting that I place no value in. They either report stuff LONG after it's confirmed or they throw shit against the wall and hope to eventually run into a story. It would be like taking hockeybuzz and Eklund to be legitimate journalism.

They were just quoting this Swedish article mentioned in the thread:

Kampen mot klockan för nytt monsteravtal

LOS ANGELES. En kamp mot klockan. Ska Detroit Red Wings hinna få till ett nytt kontrakt med lagets bäste spelare, forwarden Lucas Raymond? Den 22-årige svensken står utan avtal när bara två veckor återstår till höstens träningsläger inför säsongen 2024-25. – Förhoppningarna är stora att vi ska...

www.expressen.se

 

[izlez]

They were just quoting this Swedish article mentioned in the thread:

Kampen mot klockan för nytt monsteravtal

LOS ANGELES. En kamp mot klockan. Ska Detroit Red Wings hinna få till ett nytt kontrakt med lagets bäste spelare, forwarden Lucas Raymond? Den 22-årige svensken står utan avtal när bara två veckor återstår till höstens träningsläger inför säsongen 2024-25. – Förhoppningarna är stora att vi ska...

www.expressen.se

The problem is he did put the actual quote in his article:

“Today there is no proposal that is equal”

And then stated this as if it were fact or an additional quote, which it is not:

"the Raymond camp is saying that there currently is no common ground in place for the framework of a new contract"


That is garbage "journalism"

 

[TCNorthstars]

TF are you even on about?

Sarcasm. Saying if Raymond doesn't like Yzermans offer he can go play under bombs in Moscow.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I think Raymond could go to KHL.

Just saw some videos of Ukrainian rockets flying and hitting near Moscow. Maybe that's the nice place to live and play hockey, if Yzerman offer isn't enough.

 

[Euro Twins]

I think he wants more than this with the cap going up. My thing is he has only done these numbers exactly once...

I mean you're just making assumptions and then getting angry about those assumptions

 

[Henkka]

Sarcasm. Saying if Raymond doesn't like Yzermans offer he can go play under bombs in Moscow.

Yeah, that's kind of the option of not signing to NHL.

And money level would be same as last season with ELC.

 

[Killerjas]

I am all for Seider and Raymond getting a bag, but this is getting ridiculous

 

[saska sault]

On the menu today - Nothingburgers

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I mean you're just making assumptions and then getting angry about those assumptions

So what's the hold up?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Literally just going off this:

Raymond Agent: Deal With Red Wings Not Imminent

Talks not close to resolution

detroithockeynow.com

Detroithockeynow is garbage. Bob Duff wrote that it was Walman doing the griddy that got him traded.

Askarov, Walman, Victims of Hockey’s Conservative Culture

 

[Euro Twins]

So what's the hold up?

Call Yzerman and ask. Everything else is speculative

 

[RedWingzz]

How much leverage does Raymond even have other than signing an offer sheet? And are we sold on his production ASCENDING? Because a big raise implies him scoring A LOT more...

with more ice-time, and PP1 all year, he'll hit 80 this year

 

[Euro Twins]

with more ice-time, and PP1 all year, he'll hit 80 this year

He may not get a lot of pp1 time with kane and the cat

Probably rayzor and senk-show on pp2

 

[JoesuffP]

From where we were 3 years ago I am happy we can hand out these massive contracts because these two are worth it. When these contracts get signed it should be celebrated. We’re finally a serious hockey club

The floor for Raymond and Seider in their prime is basically 70-80 points for Raymond and 50-70 points for Seider. That’s pretty good for 8M right there any further development which is likely and wings are in great shape

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Yeah, I don't value a single thing that detroithockeynow has ever said. Maybe I'm conflating it with RWC or that other dime store newspaper "columnist" who tried stirring up some "credibility" by getting into a twitter/article spat with Drew Sharp before he passed.

They're all the same level of schlock receptacle reporting that I place no value in. They either report stuff LONG after it's confirmed or they throw shit against the wall and hope to eventually run into a story. It would be like taking hockeybuzz and Eklund to be legitimate journalism.

Loved RWC which was run by the late Matthew Wuest. They had a lot of great content.

I appreciate Bob Duff, but he has lost connections. The other thing here really is that Yzerman speaks to nobody. I used to have some decent connections on the team, even pretty connected people now say they have no idea. It really isn’t to be known by the public. Yzerman is pretty honest in the five times a year he talks to the media. But if you hear a leak it isn’t them is my experience this deep into his leadership. It could turn out right but nobody said shit from Detroit’s end…

 

[lilidk]

• Earlier today, The Fourth Period’s David Pagnotta relayed that the Red Wings were making progress on a long-term contract for RFA winger Lucas Raymond. Later in the day, he added (Twitter link) that Detroit and RFA Moritz Seider are also working away at a long-term pact. The 23-year-old has been a key cog on the back end for the last three seasons, recording at least 42 points while logging over 22 minutes a night in each of them. Detroit has over $17MM in cap room, per PuckPedia, which should be enough to get both key youngsters signed to long-term agreements.

 

[RedWingzz]

He may not get a lot of pp1 time with kane and the cat

Probably rayzor and senk-show on pp2

theres room for Raymond on PP1 even with Kane and Cat

Larkin, Raymond, Kane, DeBrincat, Seider or Gustafsson