Speculation: Raymond Seider Contract Speculation

[Euro Twins]

theres room for Raymond on PP1 even with Kane and Cat

Larkin, Raymond, Kane, DeBrincat, Seider or Gustafsson

Like I said. He MAY NOT get a lot of pp1 time. Depends how they want to spread the talent

 

[Henkka]

He may not get a lot of pp1 time with kane and the cat

Probably rayzor and senk-show on pp2

It was DeBrincat, who had problems to fit on 1st PP at last season.

That Perron power-play role is hard to replace. Somebody has to win puck battles on the corners and behind the net. Larkin does it, but I think you need two of that type. That's why Compher was there at later part of the season. He also took that net-front role more, I don't like Larkin there at all, because it's the toughest role to get hurt.

 

[19 for president]

It was DeBrincat, who had problems to fit on 1st PP at last season.

That Perron power-play role is hard to replace. Somebody has to win puck battles on the corners and behind the net. Larkin does it, but I think you need two of that type. That's why Compher was there at later part of the season. He also took that net-front role more, I don't like Larkin there at all, because it's the toughest role to get hurt.

I could see Ray in that 2nd point spot but I like him better down low. I think we'll see one of Ray/DBC and Tank/Kane on each powerplay. I want to utilize our RH shots so that we can appropriately get one timers off. With that said I felt like Kane and DBC fell into the one timer trap last year and it was one of the reasons why they struggled so much together. Kane needs to prioritize shooting more, and DBC was at his best last season when he was both shooting and playmaking.

We could go a little crazy and go back to a slightly more old school PP system on one of the PPs. Run Ras as the net front and go with two dmen. (Assuming none of the forward kids make the team). It would give us two righties on each PP. Use the Larkin unit to get us established in the zone and the Kane unit to keep it there. Could switch Ed and Gus, but we do need a shooter on that 2 dman unit. So either Seider will need to shoot more or Eds gonna need to be able to blast it.

DBC-Larkin-Tank
Ed- Compher

Kane-Ras-Ray
Gus-Seider

 

[dalem177]

"In the 1989 movie Major League, the right fielder Pedro Cerrano turns to his voodoo sprit Jobu for aid during the season. 35 years later hockey doesn't really have a Jobu, but if it did, I think all Red Wings fans everywhere would be lighting cigars and pouring rum for the idols on their mantlepieces, trying to convince Jobu that it would be a good idea if he could convince Seider and Raymond to both sign with the Wings, and soon." - Plausible Keats

 

[Baaaaaaaaaaaaah]

Officially worried. Not that they won't get signed. But that whatever happens will not be team friendly.

 

[Redwing66]

Officially worried. Not that they won't get signed. But that whatever happens will not be team friendly.

I’ve been repeatedly told by site experts that SY is optimizing his negotiation time to get the best possible deal for the team.

 

[FMichael]

I’ve been repeatedly told by site experts that SY is optimizing his negotiation time to get the best possible deal for the team.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Isn't that the video of him finding out he won the Calder over Zetterberg?

 

[izlez]

I’ve been repeatedly told by site experts that SY is optimizing his negotiation time to get the best possible deal for the team.

I mean, them not being signed only means he has not met their demands. Doesn’t mean he won’t eventually cave when the players won’t budge and he’s out of options

 

[FMichael]

I mean, them not being signed only means he has not met their demands. Doesn’t mean he won’t eventually cave when the players won’t budge and he’s out of options

Yzerman has options - not favorable…They can sit out for the season, or possibly be traded…Doubtful if it’ll get that far, but you never know.

 

[Redwing66]

Yzerman has options - not favorable…They can sit out for the season, or possibly be traded…Doubtful if it’ll get that far, but you never know.

We waited all spring, summer and now into the fall for contracts we all agreed needed to be done. We still have a week or two left to reap the reward of the months of negotiations and the waiting game.

Yzerman has options - not favorable…They can sit out for the season, or possibly be traded…Doubtful if it’ll get that far, but you never know.

We waited all spring, summer and now into the fall for contracts we all agreed needed to be done. We still have a week or two left to reap the reward of the months of negotiations and the waiting game.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

nobody knows what's gonna happen. but i do know that yzerman is not going to sign them to overpriced contracts

see stamkos, steven

 

[Oddbob]

Yzerman has options - not favorable…They can sit out for the season, or possibly be traded…Doubtful if it’ll get that far, but you never know.

If Steve lets it get to that point, he will start getting flak from me. I don't believe their asks are so astronomical compared to peers to not just give them a deal.

 

[saska sault]

I'm sticking with my gut, both get signed long term before camp and Larkin still has the highest cap hit afterwards.

Think minimum 5 years, hoping for 8.

 

[FMichael]

I'm sticking with my gut, both get signed long term before camp and Larkin still has the highest cap hit afterwards.

Think minimum 5 years, hoping for 8.

Yeah - for better or worse - Yzerman seems old school and believes in a hierarchy where you need to earn your roster spot and paycheck.

He’s likely standing firm on neither of them will make more than Larkin…I tend to agree with this take.

 

[Pengu]

Well, Seider deserves more than Faber imo and Raymond deserves more than Jarvis imo. Right now I'm positive SY is not offering that

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Hey guys,

Reading the last couple pages it seems like no concrete info coming out.
Was wondering if you're starting to worry about Seider and/or Raymond having poor seasons if it drags into camp. The NHL is full of star players whose worst season was the one where their negotiations dragged into camp and they showed up behind the 8 ball and never quite caught up.

Actually happened to us a bit with Petey a couple years ago.

 

[Euro Twins]

Hey guys,

Reading the last couple pages it seems like no concrete info coming out.
Was wondering if you're starting to worry about Seider and/or Raymond having poor seasons if it drags into camp. The NHL is full of star players whose worst season was the one where their negotiations dragged into camp and they showed up behind the 8 ball and never quite caught up.

Actually happened to us a bit with Petey a couple years ago.

It seems like most people believe they will be signed before camp. At the very least one will be imo. We have 3 guys unsigned. Something will give before camp for someone.

Surprisingly a lot less people worried than I would think

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

It seems like most people believe they will be signed before camp. At the very least one will be imo. We have 3 guys unsigned. Something will give before camp for someone.

Surprisingly a lot less people worried than I would think

That's now referred to as the Yzerman Effect...

 

[Ulysses31]

Officially worried. Not that they won't get signed. But that whatever happens will not be team friendly.

guessing they will sign before Dec 1 deadline but i think either or both not being there from start of training camp will throw a wrench in both the team n that player's season.

As for SY not getting at least a fair RFA deal, ill believe when i see it

 

[saska sault]

It seems like most people believe they will be signed before camp. At the very least one will be imo. We have 3 guys unsigned. Something will give before camp for someone.

Surprisingly a lot less people worried than I would think

I think because overall Raymond, Seider and Yzerman all have positive reports of each other, the team culture, their views on the city of Detroit and the organization.. there's not any signs that there is a massive disconnect. Just a lack of contract. I think if they both get here for training camp and things start to get underway and they are not on the ice.. then the worrying becomes a legitimate thing for a lot of fans, myself included. Until then, I view it as a formality and they need to iron out the details in person when they all get together.

 

[Henkka]

Yzerman has options - not favorable…They can sit out for the season, or possibly be traded…Doubtful if it’ll get that far, but you never know.

Naah, it's not like that.

Yzerman will want certains caphit for them. If the ask and comparables for 8-year deals are too high, he will cut the deals in term. Maybe one is enough, but we don't know which one is more probable.

It's pretty much as simple as that.

Nothing has changed. Yzerman will want to fix that defence (Top4 RD), and leave some cap room, for in-season moves. The tool is the cut term, to get the caphits he will want.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Hey guys,

Reading the last couple pages it seems like no concrete info coming out.
Was wondering if you're starting to worry about Seider and/or Raymond having poor seasons if it drags into camp. The NHL is full of star players whose worst season was the one where their negotiations dragged into camp and they showed up behind the 8 ball and never quite caught up.

Actually happened to us a bit with Petey a couple years ago.

Seider, no. Raymond yes. His agent has apparently been more vocal.

My guess is Seider’s deal puts him on par with Larkin while Raymond’s agent might be asking for 2018 Willy Nylander money or something stupid. The first two years of that deal were 8.7 and 9 mil.

 

[norrisnick]

Seider, no. Raymond yes. His agent has apparently been more vocal.

My guess is Seider’s deal puts him on par with Larkin while Raymond’s agent might be asking for 2018 Willy Nylander money or something stupid. The first two years of that deal were 8.7 and 9 mil.

Wasn't that just to make up for missing part of the season? Jack up the overall value so with the missed paychecks he still gets the same amount. He missed a 1/3rd of the season so at the start his salary was jacked up so from Dec 1st through the end he'd make the same as if he hadn't missed 27 games.

 

[Henkka]

Seider, no. Raymond yes. His agent has apparently been more vocal.

My guess is Seider’s deal puts him on par with Larkin while Raymond’s agent might be asking for 2018 Willy Nylander money or something stupid. The first two years of that deal were 8.7 and 9 mil.

Nylander scored 0.73 points per game during his ELC. Raymond has scored... 0.73 points per game.

That 6.9M equivalent deal from 2018-19 is 7.7M against nowadays cap.

Think the ballpark is quite right. It was a 6-year del for Nylander.

With 7 or 8-year deals it would be 8.05M (7-year) or 8.47M (8-year).