Speculation: Raymond Seider Contract Speculation

[Ulysses31]

Chris had better tell Steve to get this done. It's unacceptable that they've not been signed on the eve of training camp.

kind of feel opposite, assuming they are being offered fair deals, i hope yzerman makes it clear they will only lose money by sitting out.

 

[Pavels Dog]

kind of feel opposite, assuming they are being offered fair deals, i hope yzerman makes it clear they will only lose money by sitting out.

Agreed. Really surprised tbh by all the takes wanting Yzerman to just cave to whatever demands.

 

[ricky0034]

Agreed. Really surprised tbh by all the takes wanting Yzerman to just cave to whatever demands.

none of us really know exactly what's happening but I think the fact that it's two players and not just one makes a difference here

is it the one guy in Yzerman being the most stubborn here or is it the two guys that don't even have the same agent? Occam's razor yeah?

hell it isn't nearly as important as the other two but Yzerman hasn't even managed to sign Berggren yet so really it's three guys with three different agents

 

[Pavels Dog]

none of us really know exactly what's happening but I think the fact that it's two players and not just one makes a difference here

is it the one guy in Yzerman being the most stubborn here or is it the two guys that don't even have the same agent? Occam's razor yeah?

hell it isn't nearly as important as the other two but Yzerman hasn't even managed to sign Berggren yet so really it's three guys with three different agents

The simplest answer to what's going on isn't necessarily that Yzerman is being stubborn for no reason though.

Berggren likely has a deal in place also.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Chris had better tell Steve to get this done. It's unacceptable that they've not been signed on the eve of training camp.

Unacceptable according to who?

 

[DTR]

Friedman said on todays podcast is his belief is it won’t be an issue getting Raymond under Larkin’s number but he isn’t sure about Seider.

 

[Heaton]

The most straightforward answer is that we have yet to hit any real deadlines for the deal. I'll be surprised if neither of the contracts are signed by Friday. And then I'll be surprised again if neither of the contracts are signed by the first preseason game.

There's a reason most teams wait until the trade deadline to make trades.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

the time it takes for people to pivot from, 'stebie is being an unreasonable hardass' to 'yberman is a soft pushover' is going to be mind bottling

 

[RedHawkDown]

the time it takes for people to pivot from, 'stebie is being an unreasonable hardass' to 'yberman is a soft pushover' is going to be mind bottling

I mean, if he takes this long to sign these contracts and then they end up being very player-friendly contracts, then he does deserve some criticism…

 

[saska sault]

I like the idea of having an internal cap and Larkin being the ceiling for what others will earn. It won't last forever with the cap increase but I think it's the right approach for Ray and Mo... Larkin is our leader, he earns the most. When a real superstar comes along or if someone develops onto one... you can pass that cap hit. The problem with Mo is the comparable contracts and the fact he's been our #1 for 3 years.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Chris had better tell Steve to get this done. It's unacceptable that they've not been signed on the eve of training camp.

Lol

 

[FlyguyOX]

Larkin is our leader, he suffers the most.

FIFY lol

 

[izlez]

I like the idea of having an internal cap and Larkin being the ceiling for what others will earn. It won't last forever with the cap increase but I think it's the right approach for Ray and Mo... Larkin is our leader, he earns the most. When a real superstar comes along or if someone develops onto one... you can pass that cap hit. The problem with Mo is the comparable contracts and the fact he's been our #1 for 3 years.

This type of thing has been said a lot, but I can't imagine this being the case in real life. We're flat out telling these guys that we won't pay them what the league-wide market value is for their skill level because we want to keep a different player as the highest paid?

 

[Heaton]

This type of thing has been said a lot, but I can't imagine this being the case in real life. We're flat out telling these guys that we won't pay them what the league-wide market value is for their skill level because we want to keep a different player as the highest paid?

I agree with you, and it's silly to apply that logic to defensemen when they have a different market than forwards, especially right-handed defensemen. It made sense to a degree when it was Lidstrom. I don't think it will be easy to build a competitive team if we can never sign anyone higher than Larkin throughout his deal.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Gotta be imminent now, with the Berg signing, right?

 

[saska sault]

I agree with you, and it's silly to apply that logic to defensemen when they have a different market than forwards, especially right-handed defensemen. It made sense to a degree when it was Lidstrom. I don't think it will be easy to build a competitive team if we can never sign anyone higher than Larkin throughout his deal.

I think it would only make sense if you have the understanding that if a big name free agent or star becomes available via trade, or one of your draft picks becomes a super star.. you break that "internal cap" but you try to keep the current core inside that frame work. It may not work or even be something Yzerman is trying to accomplish. Just lots of bored speculation as we wait for something real to happen.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I like the idea of having an internal cap and Larkin being the ceiling for what others will earn. It won't last forever with the cap increase but I think it's the right approach for Ray and Mo... Larkin is our leader, he earns the most. When a real superstar comes along or if someone develops onto one... you can pass that cap hit. The problem with Mo is the comparable contracts and the fact he's been our #1 for 3 years.

The problem is, Mo is the most valuable player in the organization.

If they can convince him to take the same as Larkin, great. But he's absolutely the most valuable player in the organization.

 

[saska sault]

The problem is, Mo is the most valuable player in the organization.

If they can convince him to take the same as Larkin, great. But he's absolutely the most valuable player in the organization.

I don't disagree on Mo being our most important player, it's more of a hope for some of the fan base maybe that in today's NHL you can get a culture like that..

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Gotta be imminent now, with the Berg signing, right?

Raymond probably will be done soon based on Friedman's comments today.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I don't disagree on Mo being our most important player, it's more of a hope for some of the fan base maybe that in today's NHL you can get a culture like that..

That's what I'm hoping for, too. Wouldn't cry about Seider anywhere under $9.5M, though.

Those three all locked up for ~$25M for the next 7 years would be ridiculous.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Posted elsewhere, but I think we see Raymond 8 or very slightly north and Seider 8.7

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Posted elsewhere, but I think we see Raymond 8 or very slightly north and Seider 8.7

It's almost like you read Elliotte's thoughts and made a prediction based on them...

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

If I'm Seider I want a lot more than Raymond. He is an Ironman and is more valuable.

 

[FlyguyOX]

It's almost like you read Elliotte's thoughts and made a prediction based on them...

I have not read or listened to his newest thoughts. Sounds like we're aligned?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

If I'm Seider I want a lot more than Raymond. He is an Ironman and is more valuable.

Err... Raymond has missed a whopping 8 games in his career. Being an Ironman has nothing to do with it. Seider is simply more valuable based on position.