Speculation: Raymond Seider Contract Speculation

[ricky0034]

Ya so it was changed to a 15 year 100 million dollar deal. The last 2 years of the initial deal were going to pay him a total of 1.1 million. And they removed 2 million and 2 years from the contract. So they were told no scaled it back just enough to push it through.

Deferring a million/season is not even remotely the same as signing a a 28 year old to massively front loading 17 year contract that they both clearly had no intention of playing out till the end.

the point is it was declined entirely because the league felt that they pushed it too far and there's nothing stopping that from happening again with something else

and the Devils got a pretty hefty punishment out of that in addition to having to change the contract, they lost a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick, and were fined $3 million(and even after he retired to go to Russia and the punishment was lessened they still ended up picking 30th instead of 11th,losing a 3rd round pick, and being fined $1.5 million)

This board on November 30th:

"Should we be worried yet, we're two months into the season and they're not signed?"

"Stevie has until December 1st, let the man cook. This is part of the process."

"it's been 2 years since Seider and Raymond went to the SHL should we start to get a little concerned?"

"the Wings still own their rights so there's really no need to worry at all, also Yzerman is a genius and was able to use the cap savings to trade for Trouba and give him the raise he wanted"

 

[Henkka]

Because that’s insane and essentially saying “please NHL, reject these contracts.” We know you let Jarvis go through… but we’re rubbing your nose in it, just like all the teams did with the back diving deals.

Plus, if they’re doing that… why wouldn’t they take a high dollar (like 2 or 3x6.5)bridge and then just get a full UFA 8 year deal without this deferred nonsense.

I don't know it's insane... it's just different.

And these are no retiremenet contracts, the guys will be there getting extensions after these extensions.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Devils actually never had to give up the 1st.

 

[lilidk]

I thought Berggren should be signed this weekend

 

[Euro Twins]

the point is it was declined entirely because the league felt that they pushed it too far and there's nothing stopping that from happening again with something else

and the Devils got a pretty hefty punishment out of that in addition to having to change the contract, they lost a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick, and were fined $3 million(and even after he retired to go to Russia and the punishment was lessened they still ended up picking 30th instead of 11th,losing a 3rd round pick, and being fined $1.5 million)



"it's been 2 years since Seider and Raymond went to the SHL should we start to get a little concerned?"

"the Wings still own their rights so there's really no need to worry at all, also Yzerman is a genius and was able to use the cap savings to trade for Trouba and give him the raise he wanted"

The point is that was after dozens of similar contracts and it got way out of hand. 1m deferred per year is not outside the spirit of the rule or skirting the rules. Half the contract is.

It would get denied if it was a shohei ohtani type deferral for sure. But not 1m/year

Also it was not that hefty. 1.5 mil is nothing for a billionaire. And the original loss of the first round pick was significant, but getting back the 30th overall lessened the punishment imo. So ya it sucked they didn't get the 11th pick, but they still got a first

 

[PajamaBoy]

Lots of kids on here moaning.

 

[ricky0034]

The point is that was after dozens of similar contracts and it got way out of hand. 1m deferred per year is not outside the spirit of the rule or skirting the rules. Half the contract is.

It would get denied if it was a shohei ohtani type deferral for sure. But not 1m/year

Also it was not that hefty. 1.5 mil is nothing for a billionaire. And the original loss of the first round pick was significant, but getting back the 30th overall lessened the punishment imo. So ya it sucked they didn't get the 11th pick, but they still got a first

or maybe this time they don't want to wait for it to get quite so out of hand and they slap it down earlier with a lesser punishment attached

I don't think that would be enough to get them to stop it either but the point here is that the league has the power to basically stop this sort of thing whenever they want

 

[Euro Twins]

or maybe this time they don't want to wait for it to get quite so out of hand and they slap it down earlier with a lesser punishment attached

I don't think that would be enough to get them to stop it either but the point here is that the league has the power to basically stop this sort of thing whenever they want

I think you are really reaching so you can feel right. That is fine. You do you.

 

[ricky0034]

I think you are really reaching so you can feel right. That is fine. You do you.

we're in the weeds at this point on what the league would or wouldn't do but i'd just like you to remind you that this is the post I originally responded to:

If it is not against the rules they cannot reject it. Like they can't accept Jarvis contract and then be like no. Only 1 deferred contract allowed

if you think what i'm saying is reaching in that context then i'm just gonna have to disagree I suppose because as far as I see it you were just flat out factually wrong

 

[WingsToPick4th]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1830696546205106281

 

[lilidk]

I expect , both going to get signed in the next 48 hrs

 

[jkutswings]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1830696546205106281

"Suggests"..."could"...no mention of being per a source (let alone one close to the team and/or player).

I'd love to see Mo and Ray Ray get locked up long term. But I don't see why this is anything more than pure speculation by a columnist.

 

[Henkka]

Guys will be signed.

Believe it or not.

 

[Euro Twins]

we're in the weeds at this point on what the league would or wouldn't do but i'd just like you to remind you that this is the post I originally responded to:




if you think what i'm saying is reaching in that context then i'm just gonna have to disagree I suppose because as far as I see it you were just flat out factually wrong

Its not against the rules. Unless it's extremely obvious and clear cap circumvention the league can't do anything about it. Remember how many teams did it before NJ got fined and still they were allowed to do basically the same contract just 15 instead of 17 years.

They had to wait until the next CBA to close the loophole.

This is no different despite what you think. If they deferred a million cap hit there's no consequence. If they do a shohei ohtani deal the league will shut it down. That's a vast difference between the two and that's what you're not grasping.

 

[Euro Twins]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1830696546205106281

This sounds like the same "report" from that hack last week or whatever day it was

 

[Ulysses31]

if the " far away" rumours are true i think raymonds camp is asking for a 3 x 7millish or 5 yr deal with an AAV of 7.5-8 mil.

guessin seiders unofficially signed n waiting on raymond to announce both contracts together.

think we might b headin into a nylander type situation where raymond wont be signed before camp and when he does get signed ill be shocked if its not a bridge deal.

 

[Henkka]

Its not against the rules. Unless it's extremely obvious and clear cap circumvention the league can't do anything about it. Remember how many teams did it before NJ got fined and still they were allowed to do basically the same contract just 15 instead of 17 years.

They had to wait until the next CBA to close the loophole.

This is no different despite what you think. If they deferred a million cap hit there's no consequence. If they do a shohei ohtani deal the league will shut it down. That's a vast difference between the two and that's what you're not grasping.

Time to use these loopholes is NOW.

They could close it on next CBA negotiations, so let's use it now for two money-heavy contracts.

It's an advantage we can have, and most of others won't, for the next 8 (?) years.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Time to use these loopholes is NOW.

They could close it on next CBA negotiations, so let's use it now for two money-heavy contracts.

It's an advantage we can have, and most of others won't, for the next 8 (?) years.

Chris Ilitch isn’t spending $20 million to save 500k a year in cap.

Like, this isn’t a cheat code. Large pots of deferred money is a terrible idea even if Chris I would do it.

 

[odin1981]

I expect , both going to get signed in the next 48 hrs

I'll worry a little if both are unsigned on 9/15 until then, it's just the standard state of buisness with negotiations.

 

[Henkka]

Chris Ilitch isn’t spending $20 million to save 500k a year in cap.

Like, this isn’t a cheat code. Large pots of deferred money is a terrible idea even if Chris I would do it.

Don't believe a second for this bullshit. It's same money paid, just at different time. Players could not be interested about, but owners could care less.

It's just better for the owner side that they can pay on the years, when the revenues could be much higher, like 40-50%. After 9 years, we are on that kind of situation.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Raymond is hanging out with Seider in Mannheim. Hopefully they are talking about how great it would be to sign contracts pretty soon.

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

Raymond is hanging out with Seider in Mannheim. Hopefully they are talking about how great it would be to sign contracts pretty soon.

maybe they're going to sign with Mannheimer HC

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Raymond is hanging out with Seider in Mannheim. Hopefully they are talking about how great it would be to sign contracts pretty soon.

I could see them hanging out together to film some quasi-cringe "Guess what? We both signed!" social media video.

 

[heyfolks]

I am horrible at these screen grabs and links but Mo is getting fitting for some nice suits. He's spending that sign in bonus. He also has a photo with he, his gf and Raymond. What does it mean? Heck, if I know. LOL (I am not worried about either being signed.)

 

[lilidk]

I am horrible at these screen grabs and links but Mo is getting fitting for some nice suits. He's spending that sign in bonus. He also has a photo with he, his gf and Raymond. What does it mean? Heck, if I know. LOL (I am not worried about either being signed.)





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Where and when this picture was taken? I know Raymond just posted it on Instagram. Hope this picture was taken in Detroit before meeting with Yzerman