Rasmus Sandin Discussion Thread

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DETROIT—When Maple Leafs defenceman Rasmus Sandin fanned on a pass a few games back and the puck went straight to Sidney Crosby, he had one thought in his head.

“Well, that was the wrong guy to pass to,” Sandin deadpanned. “I had so much time. Fanned on it. I can’t go back in time; I wish I could sometimes. I was just trying to make the right play, and unlucky it was Sid. He’ll make you pay when you make those kind of mistakes.”

He did; Crosby scored.

By his own admission, Sandin hasn’t had the kind of breakthrough season that his friend, countryman and frequent defence partner Timothy Liljegren had last year.

“I haven’t been as consistent as I wanted to be,” Sandin said at the outset of a four-game road trip that ends Monday night against the Red Wings. “But at the same time, I can’t focus too much on what I have done. I need to focus on getting better and being more consistent. Every game is a new opportunity to be better.”

Never before has he had a better opportunity to show what he can do.


Injuries have sidelined three defencemen who played higher in the lineup (Morgan Rielly, Jake Muzzin, T.J. Brodie) and three more who were nipping at his heels for playing time (Jordie Benn, Filip Král and Carl Dahlström).

Rielly’s knee injury — he’s out at least four weeks — has had the biggest impact on Sandin, whose skill set has some similarities, at least offensively. In Saturday’s 4-1 win over Crosby’s Penguins in Pittsburgh, Sandin played a season-high 22:59. In Friday’s 4-3 victory in Minnesota, Sandin played in the last minute with the Wild net empty and the Leafs protecting a slim lead.

“Rasmus has ever been on the ice in the NHL with the goalie out,” said coach Sheldon Keefe. “We have guys playing in different spots and finding a way and everybody’s contributing.”

In defending that lead, Sandin also made another faux pas with the puck, though this time it didn’t end up in the Leafs net. No matter, Keefe plans to keep putting him out there.

“Those are the kind of things that you do grow from,” said Keefe. “Whether it’s the mistake itself or simply the fact that something hasn’t gone your way and you’ve got to deal with that mentally and recover, and go back out and realize ... there’s going to be another opportunity. Especially the situation we’re in here now, we need these guys (to) know they’re going to go right back over the boards again and they’re going to get another chance.”

It’s part of a next-man up mentality they’ve had to embrace out of necessity. Just 23 games into the 82-game season, the Leafs have used 11 defencemen; they used 12 all of last season.

Said Sandin: “It was a lot of fun to get that (late-game) chance ... When you get more ice time, you’re trying to be more confident.”

That’s what general manager Kyle Dubas meant when he talked recently about the bright side of the injury bug.

“It gives us a real chance to see what we have in terms of depth,” said Dubas. “It’s good for us to see where we’re at, so we can address our needs if we need to.”
 

With Victor Mete done early against the Stars though because of an injury, and Conor Timmins new to the team, the coaching staff had no choice but to turn to Sandin when Justin Holl and Mark Giordano were both in the box at once.

Sandin responded by blocking multiple shots, with Liljegren by his side, during the five-on-three advantage late in the second period — and four overall on the night.
 
He's been really good since being put in a bigger role. He struggled early in the season as was kind of expected, but he's gotten better and better
He was also playing his off-side earlier in the season which resulted in poor play. Clearly he needs to stay on the left because his game has been really good since and only gotten better with the bigger role.
 
Being patient may not be the best. I believe Keefe refused to allow Sandin playing time, which he needed to allow his game to develop. Lily the same. Both are getting ice time now and while mistakes are made they are carrying the game not just trying to survive. Sitting and benching makes a skilled player regress.
It is time to put Robertson on the ice, 14 to 16 min a game and let him play to have an impact. Right now he is playing scared.
 
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Not sure why anyone would be uncomfortable with a second pairing of:

Sandin-Liljegren

Might have seen more last year, except for some injuries.

Im thinking
Rielly brodie
Gio xxxxx
Sandin. Lilly
Benn. Holl

Is a cup contending D. Provided we can ramp good minutes down and keep him fresh

He still plays like a top pair D. It’s ridiculous
 
Being patient may not be the best. I believe Keefe refused to allow Sandin playing time, which he needed to allow his game to develop. Lily the same. Both are getting ice time now and while mistakes are made they are carrying the game not just trying to survive. Sitting and benching makes a skilled player regress.
It is time to put Robertson on the ice, 14 to 16 min a game and let him play to have an impact. Right now he is playing scared.
Being patient means not trading them for vet pieces, them developing with ice-time is obvious, they're not going to develop being out of the lineup.

They have a lot of runway before the playoffs and know they're an elite team. See what you have in your prospects before making a big trade.
 
Being patient means not trading them for vet pieces, them developing with ice-time is obvious, they're not going to develop being out of the lineup.

They have a lot of runway before the playoffs and know they're an elite team. See what you have in your prospects before making a big trade.

The problem though is at some point a big trade may be needed to break through and get over the hump. The leafs are a good team but they need to bolster the line up a bit for a deep run. They are going to need to get a top 6 forward.

I don’t think Dubas really has runway to trust that Robertson is going to be the guy. If he wants to keep his job he probably has to make a move for a more established guy to help provide offense. Hopefully he can steal one and not give up too much.
 
The problem though is at some point a big trade may be needed to break through and get over the hump. The leafs are a good team but they need to bolster the line up a bit for a deep run. They are going to need to get a top 6 forward.

I don’t think Dubas really has runway to trust that Robertson is going to be the guy. If he wants to keep his job he probably has to make a move for a more established guy to help provide offense. Hopefully he can steal one and not give up too much.
They did that already during the Canadian division, the reality is their best players need to play like it and they need to get good goaltending. The former usually happens but the latter never does. No trade is going to displace the importance of those two things.

This season hopefully changes that.

Dubas will easily get another job if he's let go, that's probably not an issue to him and something the airhead leaf fans don't realize.
 
They did that already during the Canadian division, the reality is their best players need to play like it and they need to get good goaltending. The former usually happens but the latter never does. No trade is going to displace the importance of those two things.

This season hopefully changes that.

Dubas will easily get another job if he's let go, that's probably not an issue to him and something the airhead leaf fans don't realize.

Just because it didn’t work once doesn’t mean you don’t try it again. And not going for the big fish and thinking that the current forward group as constructed is good enough to do it alone equally has not worked.

The problem isn’t that the leafs went for a big fish. The problem is they identified the wrong big fish and they thought Nick Foligno was a better add than Taylor Hall. Whoever was a pro scout that year should have been fired.

The leafs problem in the playoffs has not been defense and hell hasn't even been goaltending. It's been a lack of offensive production in close out games. They can't score when it matters most. They need high motor offensive guys who drive the net consistently to compliment this group. I don't think they should tough the defense at all this year.

Sandin and Liljegren have both proven they are capable of playing tough minutes and we should ride those two.

Also because Dubas is going to get another job if he gets fired he shouldn't try his hardest and do everything possible to win here? Kind of a flawed logic if you ask me.
 
Both. That was easy. :)

Thank god they didn't trade Sandin like some people thought we should do a while back, these two are the future of our D and it's looking like a pretty decent future right about now.

They both provide very different things too which is nice
 
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Some guys just need a bit of playing time to figure things out and build confidence.

Things seem to be going in the right direction with him. Which is great news for the Leafs. Looks like that second pairing level is well within his grasp if he can keep things consistent
 
Some guys just need a bit of playing time to figure things out and build confidence.

Things seem to be going in the right direction with him. Which is great news for the Leafs. Looks like that second pairing level is well within his grasp if he can keep things consistent
Like maybe 99% of guys who become NHL defencemen? Playing D is hard and these injuries to our Dmen are turning out to be a blessing in disguise. Before there was a lot of talk about trading Sandin because there "wasn't room" for him on the left side, but I don't think anyone is thinking in those terms any more.
 
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Sandin incredible in that 2nd period last night. 5/3 pk, blocks, manhandling stars players, scored 3rd goal. Love watching him and Liljegren. Every game they show more.
 
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Sandin incredible in that 2nd period last night. 5/3 pk, blocks, manhandling stars players, scored 3rd goal. Love watching him and Liljegren. Every game they show more.
Im glad everyone’s finally seeing what sand man and lily can do together they complement each other very well
 
I also wonder if getting more minutes per game has help Sandin find a rhythm to step his game up .. when you're not getting the big minutes or limited ice time it can be difficult to feel at your best.

Some guys get big minutes in these opportunities and can't handle them, whereas others have that next level gear to truly show their potential.

I said in the summer he'll get his chances in the line up with Muzzin's health, and it's been an even bigger opportunity than I thought. He's completely ran with it.

With Sandin-Lily and Gio-Holl holding the fort down that can help ease Brodie and Rielly back into the line up.
 
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