Tribute Rasmus Sandin Discussion Thread

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Can’t believe people wanted to scratch Sandin after game 1. Not sure what you’ve been watching the last few weeks of the season but he’s looked fantastic.

Dermott shouldn’t see the ice unless there’s an injury.
The issue with the Sandin-Bogosian pairing is that neither is that Sandin has significant footspeed issues and Bogosian isn't fast enough to cover for him. We saw that turn into 2 goals against in one (important) game.

Dermott needs to be on the 3rd pairing to have that footspeed to cover, but it's not Sandin that should get scratched to make that happen.
 
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The issue with the Sandin-Bogosian pairing is that neither is that Sandin has significant footspeed issues and Bogosian isn't fast enough to cover for him. We saw that turn into 2 goals against in one (important) game.

Dermott needs to be on the 3rd pairing to have that footspeed to cover, but it's not Sandin that should get scratched to make that happen.
Randy, we brought Bogo here to provide some snarl and balance the pairings ...i think he has done his part so far. Bogo was really good in game 2.
 
Bogo was good but Dermott is very good too...And i agree that the 3rd pair needs more footspeed and Dermott nevers gives up breakaways and covers well on 2 on 1s.
 
The issue with the Sandin-Bogosian pairing is that neither is that Sandin has significant footspeed issues and Bogosian isn't fast enough to cover for him. We saw that turn into 2 goals against in one (important) game.

Dermott needs to be on the 3rd pairing to have that footspeed to cover, but it's not Sandin that should get scratched to make that happen.

Switch Morgs and Sandin?
 
Bogo was good but Dermott is very good too...And i agree that the 3rd pair needs more footspeed and Dermott nevers gives up breakaways and covers well on 2 on 1s.
Dermott might get a few games if we move on to face the jets, but there is no way he's sitting off against this habs team who's game plan is to play as physical as possible. Only way he sits is if he gets hurt.
 
Bogo was good but Dermott is very good too...And i agree that the 3rd pair needs more footspeed and Dermott nevers gives up breakaways and covers well on 2 on 1s.
I like Dermott but he absolutely gives up breakaways due to pinching too hard on turnovers. And on those plays he gets caught near the redline, cant catch up and interferes(penalties). Hes pretty horrible at giving up breakaways tbh. He doesnt read the speed of the game in any zone which is what always gets him into trouble and why he's not in the lineup. He just hasn't progressed as we'd hoped this year.
 
I like Dermott but he absolutely gives up breakaways due to pinching too hard on turnovers. And on those plays he gets caught near the redline, cant catch up and interferes(penalties). Hes pretty horrible at giving up breakaways tbh. He doesnt read the speed of the game in any zone which is what always gets him into trouble and why he's not in the lineup. He just hasn't progressed as we'd hoped this year.

Not to nitpick but Dermott has been pretty darn good in the last 30+ games. And he's only had 1 minor penalty in the last 30+ games.
 
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Dermott might get a few games if we move on to face the jets, but there is no way he's sitting off against this habs team who's game plan is to play as physical as possible. Only way he sits is if he gets hurt.
If anything it's the opposite, right? Habs are a small and fast forward group that has the most potential to exploit that weakness....like if Dermott opened the series we're probably up 2-0 given that both of their goals in game 1 were exploiting this exact issue.

WPG is a much bigger and meaner set of forwards than the Habs, their game plan will be exactly the same as what we're seeing here because it's the only thing that might work against us - press defence, be physical and engage in as many scrums as possible to try to get under our skin.
 
As someone who wanted Sandin scratched after the first game gaffes I am happy to have egg on my face, and glad Keefe is the coach and not me.

Saying that, he finally shot the puck on the PP instead of imitating Reilly and being nothing but a distributor, deferring to the big boys.

Despite his size the kids got a cannon from the point, gets it off really quick, and probably most importantly he gets it on the net.

They're gonna have to continue to work on his foot speed in the off season, and for now manage his minutes so he's not going to regularly get torched by speedy forwards, but if he keeps shooting the puck on the PP he's a difference maker
 
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Let’s see what happens in the expansion draft first. Not out of the question one of Dermott or Holl are gone.

On that note, Freddy coming off the books likely has us shifting a bit of money to D for next year, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Dermott or Holl out with an upgrade coning in.
Freddie’s $ is going to Hyman and a goalie to tandem with Campbell
 
Not sure people realize how amazing he's been this year.

In the past sheltered bottom pair dmen like Dermott got lots of praise for putting up great possession stats in that soft usage.....and Sandin is also getting soft usage....but Sandin isn't just good in that soft usage, he's fantastic.

Regular Season + Playoffs: 60.2xgf%, 74.3gf%
 
I wouldn't do that with a guy that young in games this important. Just play him with Dermott, we saw that work really well
I do like him with bogo too though.
I'm not seeing the issue you have with bogo. I know you know the stats really well, so what are they saying that you don't like?
 
I do like him with bogo too though.
I'm not seeing the issue you have with bogo. I know you know the stats really well, so what are they saying that you don't like?
More with the combo of Sandin with Bogosian. Sandin absolutely needs someone to be able to cover him in on stretch plays, he's just not fast enough in a straight line to play without that protection and Bogosian is a good enough bottom pairing dman but he's not fast enough to cover Sandin where Dermott is.

I think that's especially true against a team like the Habs that have a bunch of burners like Byron who aren't dangerous unless they get breakaways.
 
More with the combo of Sandin with Bogosian. Sandin absolutely needs someone to be able to cover him in on stretch plays, he's just not fast enough in a straight line to play without that protection and Bogosian is a good enough bottom pairing dman but he's not fast enough to cover Sandin where Dermott is.

I think that's especially true against a team like the Habs that have a bunch of burners like Byron who aren't dangerous unless they get breakaways.
I absolutely agree with this but I also feel that the net front presence and board play of bogo offsets that. Also he is a good enough puck mover.
I see it as a trade off
 
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I absolutely agree with this but I also feel that the net front presence and board play of bogo offsets that. Also he is a good enough puck mover.
I see it as a trade off
I like Dermott better on the boards, better puck handler and more likely to come away with the puck and move it out cleanly where Bogo disrupts but then often gives it back because he's not a great puck handler. Agree that Bogo is a bigger body and more physical but I think we misinterpret Dermott as being small or soft and neither is really true.
 
I like Dermott better on the boards, better puck handler and more likely to come away with the puck and move it out cleanly where Bogo disrupts but then often gives it back because he's not a great puck handler. Agree that Bogo is a bigger body and more physical but I think we misinterpret Dermott as being small or soft and neither is really true.
I have always thought Dermott is very tough and has a good mean streak too.
I also do like the Dermott Sandin pairing, but, and this could be totally misplaced, I just feel more confident mfortable with bogo out there.
Maybe it's his Rep that's giving me that sense, but there it is
 
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I have always thought Dermott is very tough and has a good mean streak too.
I also do like the Dermott Sandin pairing, but, and this could be totally misplaced, I just feel more confident mfortable with bogo out there.
Maybe it's his Rep that's giving me that sense, but there it is
I like Bogo too, I just think that Dermott's speed is necessary on that pairing against a fast team. I'm fine with him playing with either Sandin or Bogosian really, I just hate that always being exposed to stretch plats when our defense are on the forward side of center.

Also really hope that Underhill can fix Sandin's skating.... he's Miro Heiskanen if he skate
 
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I like Dermott but he absolutely gives up breakaways due to pinching too hard on turnovers. And on those plays he gets caught near the redline, cant catch up and interferes(penalties). Hes pretty horrible at giving up breakaways tbh. He doesnt read the speed of the game in any zone which is what always gets him into trouble and why he's not in the lineup. He just hasn't progressed as we'd hoped this year.

My big quibble with him is what you stated above. I think he brings next to nothing on offence and his bad pinches are a detriment as well. He is good from his blueline in his own zone...but pretty bad with his timing on when to pinch and when not to. I think he really loves that zone entry denial stat that he seems to be at the top of for the team.

I think his IQ is pretty low and he is like Reilly in that he always needs a split second to make a decision and that makes for his horrific scoring stats. Sandin on the other hand has had to deal with being slow footed his whole career and has to make up for it with his brain and making better decisions than most players because he can't recover from them. I like Sandin...but man is he slow...I think he is the slowest D on the team by a mile and it would be a tight race between him and Jumbo. The fact that he is 21 and this slow worries me long term but if he helps us for 6yrs or so..I am happy.
 

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