I should have made that clearer. 95% of HF members thought, understandably, that it was one of the worst trades in recent memory, which made it all the more hilarious when the real world thought he was the missing piece. And by real world, I mean all the Flyers fans I live around and interact with every day.
Value of: Rasmus Ristolainen
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You may be 100 percent correct. Perhaps the goalie i was thinking of was wregett
Deadpool8812
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140 of those hits take him out of the play and lead to a scoring chance the other way
Deadpool8812
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Appreciate that, that’s fair. I know even for me i had to convince a few friends that it was awful. Sucks that it turned out HFFlyers was largely correct but hey. What can ya do.
ponder719
M-M-M-Matvei and the Jett
He hasn't figured out how to play the right side, and he's had years to try and learn, so I'm guessing no.
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Pantokrator
Who's the clown?
Ristolainen is going to resign with the Flyers for 7 years at 7.5 million. Before everyone says that is a stupid signing, remember who the GM is. If he doesn't resign him, the GM looks bad because he gave up a 1st, 2nd, and a 5-6 d-man for him. Fletcher has to try to double down on his mistake.
Risto's camp is probably asking for 5 years at 5 mil, and Fletcher comes in and says "Oh yeah? I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse - 7 years at 7.5." That's how Fletcher does negotiations. He thinks that you have to go higher than what the party is asking for. It is the only way most of his contracts make any sense.
If Risto were to be traded at the deadline, he would only recoup a 3rd plus cap dump at best. Fletcher has the Holmgren methodology of refusing to have 2nd round picks, so he certainly isn't going to ask for one in a trade, and Risto is not worth a 1st.
Too many people are thinking about what a normal GM would get in a trade. Just stop. This is Chuck Fletcher. Think of a good trade, and then cut it in a third and that's what Fletcher asks for.
Risto's camp is probably asking for 5 years at 5 mil, and Fletcher comes in and says "Oh yeah? I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse - 7 years at 7.5." That's how Fletcher does negotiations. He thinks that you have to go higher than what the party is asking for. It is the only way most of his contracts make any sense.
If Risto were to be traded at the deadline, he would only recoup a 3rd plus cap dump at best. Fletcher has the Holmgren methodology of refusing to have 2nd round picks, so he certainly isn't going to ask for one in a trade, and Risto is not worth a 1st.
Too many people are thinking about what a normal GM would get in a trade. Just stop. This is Chuck Fletcher. Think of a good trade, and then cut it in a third and that's what Fletcher asks for.
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You want a guy who isn't very good at defense, or reading plays, to partner Muzzin on our Shut down pairing? He always was a guy, who should be a third pairing sheltered guy, with offensive zone and PP starts. We don't really have a need for a PP specialist of this type.
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
Fight4yourRight
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I’ve watched most of Philly’s games this year. For the most part, especially paired with Sanheim who is a puck mover, he defers to the latter’s skills and just chips it over to him. So it hasn’t really been a major issue. For me it’s his stick and body positioning when defending in his own zone when the puck is with the other team in or around scoring areas and his aptitude to be completely out of position and essentially rendered useless during odd man rushes. He has next to no hockey IQ when it comes to that specifically. He’s able to get the puck away from guys along the boards by just plowing over them but that’s about it.
That fits with how he was momentarily resurrected by Pilut's play in Buffalo since Lawrence was good at corralling the d-to-d chip and then getting out of the zone under control. But in Buffalo, he often had McCabe as his partner and that's... it's a lot like Risto only a bit better and a left-shot option. One of them would be taking themselves out of position on the regular which would leave the other alone to "defend".
I love when Risto drifts off from his position because you can see him thinking about where he's supposed to go and he doesn't know where he's supposed to be. The gears are turning and it's written all over his face.
I'm not as hard on him as some because he was on Buffalo and Buffalo has sucked since before his draft year
Fogelhund
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He is 27, will be 28 next year. I think he should have been better than what he ended up, but Buffalo messed up his development. (Stop me if you've heard that one before). But at this age, he pretty much is what he is. He isn't worth $5.4 mil, nor is he worth $2.7 mil. I would guess someone is going to pay him more than $3 mil next contract as a UFA, but to me, he's a guy you'd take at $2 mil or so, (maybe less) and try and simplify his game a great deal. But to pay assets, and overpay in Cap right now... No chance.
If you want to talk about him in the offseason, as a reclamation project, and paid accordingly, I have no qualms.
Good along the boards, poor gap control, not great at controlled zone exits or pass exits, good skater. Sounds like a RW temporarily playing RD; who's also pretty good as a PP point man.
He has virtually all the skills you want in a winger and none for a modern defensemen. I feel like i'm eating crazy pills.
He has virtually all the skills you want in a winger and none for a modern defensemen. I feel like i'm eating crazy pills.
TheDawnOfANewTage
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It irks me that no one has at least tried it- dude would be hell on the forecheck.
Anyways, I really do hope he’s the option chosen by a contender- dude has gotta watch Bogosian win a cup and think “I can suck that bad, too, why not me?” Risto always seemed like a hard-worker, seems to care, shitty that the dude isn’t the best d-man and ends up stuck on bad teams.
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it would look like a team that plays well for the 40 minutes he isn’t on the ice and wondering why they play poorly for the other 20.
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