Player Discussion Rasmus Dahlin Part 3- D (1st Overall, 2018, Frölunda HC, SHL)

[Aladyyn]

Historical evaluation of players in hockey is terrible. Point totals tell us nothing.

 

[GellMann]

Historical evaluation of players in hockey is terrible. Point totals tell us nothing.

If I didn't watch him I don't have an opinion about him

Except Hasek is the GOAT and anyone who ever says otherwise is a moron

 

[sabresfan129103]

Was he not invited to play for team Sweden in the WC, or did he elect not to play?

 

[jcbeze]

Was he not invited to play for team Sweden in the WC, or did he elect not to play?

The latter

 

[AustonsNostrils]

He was everything he was claimed to be. The surprise was he has a mean streak. He's going to get bigger and stronger. He needs to work on straight line skating speed so he can get separation on rushes and pound tens of thousands of pucks, his shot is kinda weak. He should visit Eichel's shooting tutor who I think is in Mass.

 

[HaNotsri]

Was he not invited to play for team Sweden in the WC, or did he elect not to play?

Gave an indication that he wanted to play then turned the offer down.

 

[Chainshot]

He was everything he was claimed to be. The surprise was he has a mean streak. He's going to get bigger and stronger. He needs to work on straight line skating speed so he can get separation on rushes and pound tens of thousands of pucks, his shot is kinda weak. He should visit Eichel's shooting tutor who I think is in Mass.

The mean streak was also something in his scouting profile.

 

[MrMaster]

I think Fortnite doesn't help him, it can be very addictive and has the potential to distract him from focusing on hockey. I know he's a teenager, and it's important to have balance in life, not just hockey.
Times have changed, and lots of players these days have hobbies such as video games, but i really start to believe that video (online) gamers are the new smokers in the sports business. While smoking was taking a toll on your physical health, video games have a negative influence on your mental health, all the while both being addictions.

What do you think? Should Dahlin spend less time playing online games, or are you ok with it?

 

[TheMistyStranger]

I think Fortnite doesn't help him, it can be very addictive and has the potential to distract him from focusing on hockey. I know he's a teenager, and it's important to have balance in life, not just hockey.
Times have changed, and lots of players these days have hobbies such as video games, but i really start to believe that video (online) gamers are the new smokers in the sports business. While smoking was taking a toll on your physical health, video games have a negative influence on your mental health, all the while both being addictions.

What do you think? Should Dahlin spend less time playing online games, or are you ok with it?

I think enjoying it is different than being addicted to it. So the answer to your question is: it depends on a case-by-case basis.

 

[sincerity0]

Gave an indication that he wanted to play then turned the offer down.

Don’t quote me 100% on this but I think Botterill spoke about it when Ralph got hired then more info came out after. I think Dahlin wanted to play, Sweden wanted him, but Buffalo/Botterill suggested that he rest over playing.

 

[Chainshot]

Don’t quote me 100% on this but I think Botterill spoke about it when Ralph got hired then more info came out after. I think Dahlin wanted to play, Sweden wanted him, but Buffalo/Botterill suggested that he rest over playing.

That did seem like the inference.

 

[vcv]

I think Fortnite doesn't help him, it can be very addictive and has the potential to distract him from focusing on hockey. I know he's a teenager, and it's important to have balance in life, not just hockey.
Times have changed, and lots of players these days have hobbies such as video games, but i really start to believe that video (online) gamers are the new smokers in the sports business. While smoking was taking a toll on your physical health, video games have a negative influence on your mental health, all the while both being addictions.

What do you think? Should Dahlin spend less time playing online games, or are you ok with it?

Everyone has hobbies. What is the issue, outside of speculation about potential addiction potentially affecting his mental health?

 

[Chainshot]

I'd rather he plays Fortnight than be out clubbing. *shrug*

 

[MrMaster]

I'd rather he plays Fortnight than be out clubbing. *shrug*

Besides the fact that "clubbing" reflects a sad state of mind, i'd rather have him partying once in a while instead of gaming 4 hours every day.

 

[Tatre]

Rasmus suddenly has thousands of parents on hfboards

 

[Irving Zisman]

Besides the fact that "clubbing" reflects a sad state of mind, i'd rather have him partying once in a while instead of gaming 4 hours every day.

Agreed.

Hitting the bars with the boys (in moderation) is actually far less of an issue than too much modern-age gaming.

The research on this is very early, but prolonged gaming with the genre containing Fortnite, Call of Duty, etc. (shooter-based games which rely on players remembering paths, key locations, etc. to give them a tactical advantage) has been show to reduce grey matter in the brain over time. It has to do with the brain remembering specific paths, movements in the game and almost going on auto-pilot during gaming sessions with familiar maps.

Additionally, when there is an XP or other type or “level-up” feature, serious addiction can result leading to overloading of the brain’s reward system circuitry. This can lead to depression, anxiety, loss of interest in previously enjoyed hobbies and inability to experience joy/pleasure (anhedonia).

World of Warcraft has been studied as a culprit of this, as has Fortnite. The effects are less pronounced in other video game genres like sports games, as stuff like Madden and EA Sports’ NHL titles rely more on hand-eye coordination and spatial awareness, and there typically is not as heavy of a focus on “leveling-up.”

It’s amazing that for the longest time, people scoffed at internet and video game addictions being a real thing, but research has proven otherwise. They have even compared the CT Scans of methamphetamine and opioid addicts to those addicted to internet-based habits like gaming or pornography, and the results show very similar results to those addicted to the narcotics.

Essentially, anything that loads the brain’s reward circuitry with excessive dopamine is potentially problematic and should be used sparingly in order to avoid the development of addiction.

The current young generation of NHL’ers are theoretically all at potential risk for letting gaming interfere too much with their hockey careers, and the league should look into an awareness campaign for young guys entering the pros.

I’m too lazy to look up the studies on this but if you google it, you will suddenly look to limit your own video game consumption, or at the very least, your kids’.

 

[MrMaster]

Rasmus suddenly has thousands of parents on hfboards

No, I'm just a therapist without a job and hope that he reads this.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Agreed.

Hitting the bars with the boys (in moderation) is actually far less of an issue than too much modern-age gaming.

The research on this is very early, but prolonged gaming with the genre containing Fortnite, Call of Duty, etc. (shooter-based games which rely on players remembering paths, key locations, etc. to give them a tactical advantage) has been show to reduce grey matter in the brain over time. It has to do with the brain remembering specific paths, movements in the game and almost going on auto-pilot during gaming sessions with familiar maps.

Additionally, when there is an XP or other type or “level-up” feature, serious addiction can result leading to overloading of the brain’s reward system circuitry. This can lead to depression, anxiety, loss of interest in previously enjoyed hobbies and inability to experience joy/pleasure (anhedonia).

World of Warcraft has been studied as a culprit of this, as has Fortnite. The effects are less pronounced in other video game genres like sports games, as stuff like Madden and EA Sports’ NHL titles rely more on hand-eye coordination and spatial awareness, and there typically is not as heavy of a focus on “leveling-up.”

It’s amazing that for the longest time, people scoffed at internet and video game addictions being a real thing, but research has proven otherwise. They have even compared the CT Scans of methamphetamine and opioid addicts to those addicted to internet-based habits like gaming or pornography, and the results show very similar results to those addicted to the narcotics.

Essentially, anything that loads the brain’s reward circuitry with excessive dopamine is potentially problematic and should be used sparingly in order to avoid the development of addiction.

The current young generation of NHL’ers are theoretically all at potential risk for letting gaming interfere too much with their hockey careers, and the league should look into an awareness campaign for young guys entering the pros.

I’m too lazy to look up the studies on this but if you google it, you will suddenly look to limit your own video game consumption, or at the very least, your kids’.

And you won’t believe what the studies say about the effect playing hockey has on your brain!

 

[Aladyyn]

I'd prefer if he played some better games but oh well.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

I'd prefer if he played some better games but oh well.

Fortnite is kind of trash, but no one else has done the genre right either.

 

[Aladyyn]

Fortnite is kind of trash, but no one else has done the genre right either.

Apex is pretty good. They should play it instead.

 

[Panthaz89]

I'd love to see a highlight reel of some of the creativity he displayed that didn't lead to a Sabres goal this year. I feel like it'd be quite the montage.

I particularly recall a couple of dangles mid-season: one in which he turned Malkin inside-out, and another when he danced around pretty much the entire opposition in the o-zone after holding the puck in at the line (Minnesota, maybe?).

I remember in what I think was the first game against Toronto he dangled around several players to have Girgensons not score on a great set up

 

[5 Minute Major]

I guess we should count our lucky stars he isn’t addicted to porn like Hideki Matsui was.

At least I don’t think he is. He can’t play video games all the time, can he?

 

[Icicle]

Agreed.

Hitting the bars with the boys (in moderation) is actually far less of an issue than too much modern-age gaming.

The research on this is very early, but prolonged gaming with the genre containing Fortnite, Call of Duty, etc. (shooter-based games which rely on players remembering paths, key locations, etc. to give them a tactical advantage) has been show to reduce grey matter in the brain over time. It has to do with the brain remembering specific paths, movements in the game and almost going on auto-pilot during gaming sessions with familiar maps.

Additionally, when there is an XP or other type or “level-up” feature, serious addiction can result leading to overloading of the brain’s reward system circuitry. This can lead to depression, anxiety, loss of interest in previously enjoyed hobbies and inability to experience joy/pleasure (anhedonia).

World of Warcraft has been studied as a culprit of this, as has Fortnite. The effects are less pronounced in other video game genres like sports games, as stuff like Madden and EA Sports’ NHL titles rely more on hand-eye coordination and spatial awareness, and there typically is not as heavy of a focus on “leveling-up.”

It’s amazing that for the longest time, people scoffed at internet and video game addictions being a real thing, but research has proven otherwise. They have even compared the CT Scans of methamphetamine and opioid addicts to those addicted to internet-based habits like gaming or pornography, and the results show very similar results to those addicted to the narcotics.

Essentially, anything that loads the brain’s reward circuitry with excessive dopamine is potentially problematic and should be used sparingly in order to avoid the development of addiction.

The current young generation of NHL’ers are theoretically all at potential risk for letting gaming interfere too much with their hockey careers, and the league should look into an awareness campaign for young guys entering the pros.

I’m too lazy to look up the studies on this but if you google it, you will suddenly look to limit your own video game consumption, or at the very least, your kids’.

There are also studies that show the exact opposite effect, with an increase of gray matter studying people who play LoL/Dota. Those are games that require very complex thinking at all times and absolutely increase one's ability to think through complex subjects quickly when practiced. Nature isn't a publication to snuff at: Enhanced functional connectivity and increased gray matter volume of insula related to action video game playing

Anecdotally, there are definitely negative effects. It is truly best for players to wake up from a nap before the game, and to not play video games on the same day of playing a game as it will just muddle up the brain. But overall, painting it as some sort of grim outlook isn't universally backed up by science.

You're right that focusing on the dopamine part is an area of concern, as this can lead to depression, motivational issues, time management issues, health degradation, etc. But it's not all bad.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

So, given the discussions regarding the Skinner contract, I'm wondering what everyone thinks Dahlin's next contract is going to come in at? The only decent comparison based on age is Ekblad, who comes in at $7.5M AAV. Of course, he hasn't hit 40 points once but he plays more of a physical game.

Obviously it is tough to know without seeing his next two years of production and development, but are we looking at $9M+ for him?