Value of: Rantanen - what would you give?

[HuGort]

i Mean the Avs think he should be moved so what do you give for him?

He wants to test UFA. Why not wait til then instead of giving up the moon

 

[anezthes]

I would consider a package around Zegras/Terry + Zellweger for a signed Rantanen.

No.

 

[JoeSakic13]

My right nut.

No chance I’d give up Lefty tho.

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Why would Colorado move him what am I missing? Love that guy

 

[LOFIN]

Why would Colorado move him what am I missing? Love that guy

Salary cap is a thing

 

[Slapshot Sultan]

So they would give him up for cheap if someone would offer a lot? Like Montreal could have him for a 2nd round pick, but only if we offered Demidov + Hutson?

Is this like a King Solomon situation where they are willing to let him go free to a good home, but only if the new team shows how much they value him?

I meant McFarland would give rants for very cheap if someone offered mooning him (or georgiev)

 

[crowi]

I meant McFarland would give rants for very cheap if someone offered mooning him (or georgiev)

Oh yea, that really clears it up..

Avs are in a place of uncertainty with Landeskog and Nik. It's very unlikely they can improve as a team trading Rantanen.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Find a comparable option at a recent deadline. Maybe teams dont have the resources to give it, but there hasnt been a player of his caliber at a deadline ever that I can think of. Hossa in 08? Even then Rantanen now is way above Hossa then.

Hossa was far superior to him Rantanen plays in a much higher scoring era

 

[dirtydanglez]

very few teams could pull off a deal. nj is in a great position to land rantanen if he was available.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Shesterkin

 

[RomanianLeafs]

Salary cap is a thing

I know but for a guy like Rantanen u make room

 

[Ducks DVM]

Rantanen is coming off back to back 100+ point season, has been very good in the playoffs (and won the Cup), and is generally considered one of the best wingers in the game today. If the Avs decide to do something stupid and trade him, why would they use either of these two guys as a comparable, when Horvat was a 2C and Meier only has a single career season where he's even come close to being PPG?

Because he’s still a rental who wants to explore UFA. A non-playoff team isn’t going to give you that, because it’ll derail their rebuild if(when) he walks, and a playoff team isn’t going to remove anything important for a Cup run, or remove too much futures if he walks. Rentals simply don’t pull much of a return if the player isn’t going to re-sign.

 

[benfranklin]

Hossa was far superior to him Rantanen plays in a much higher scoring era

I'd love to see someone really break this down comparing scoring eras, teams, line-mates, etc.

Rantanen was 6th and 7th in overall scoring the past two seasons, albeit playing on a great Avs team.
Hossa was 7th and 44th in the season before he was traded on a Thrashers team that won their division and then his split season with ATL/PIT.

Without overanalyzing and getting into defensive play, I find it hard to believe "far superior" is there. At best, you can argue on par, likely conceding Rantanen is the superior player.

But also Hossa returned two middle 6 players and essentially two 1sts back then. If this is the only comparable high value trade deadline piece we have to look at, then two middle 6 roster players and two firsts is the start of negotiations for Rantanen.

 

[Intangir]

Rantanen is UFA, so there are many GMs that would comfortably give him 13-14M$ over multiple years.

As far as trade assets if he re-signs in Colorado, well, he'd be worth a true blue-chip prospect++.

And that's not something you can say for many players.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Because he’s still a rental who wants to explore UFA. A non-playoff team isn’t going to give you that, because it’ll derail their rebuild if(when) he walks, and a playoff team isn’t going to remove anything important for a Cup run, or remove too much futures if he walks. Rentals simply don’t pull much of a return if the player isn’t going to re-sign.

Any chance you have a direct quote from someone directly involved in the negotiations indicating he "wants to explore UFA"? Because everything I've read suggests that he wants to stay in Colorado, and there is no expectation from either side that he'll reach UFA.

Or should I just make the same flawed assumption you make to try to justify him being worth less than Meier?

 

[sensfan4lifee]

I'd love to see someone really break this down comparing scoring eras, teams, line-mates, etc.

Rantanen was 6th and 7th in overall scoring the past two seasons, albeit playing on a great Avs team.
Hossa was 7th and 44th in the season before he was traded on a Thrashers team that won their division and then his split season with ATL/PIT.

Without overanalyzing and getting into defensive play, I find it hard to believe "far superior" is there. At best, you can argue on par, likely conceding Rantanen is the superior player.

But also Hossa returned two middle 6 players and essentially two 1sts back then. If this is the only comparable high value trade deadline piece we have to look at, then two middle 6 roster players and two firsts is the start of negotiations for Rantanen.

I disagree with you on this very much, Hossa was putting up offense like Rantanen with superior two way play, Hossa was just better.

 

[benfranklin]

I disagree with you on this very much, Hossa was putting up offense like Rantanen with superior two way play, Hossa was just better.

I quite literally looked up his stats the 2 years before his deadline which is what we are comparing right? Similar age in that 27-28yo range. 44th in the league in scoring, -14 that year at .92 ppg. The Thrashers won their division in 06-07 then fell off hard in 07-08 so not the same as two high scoring Avs teams in recent years, but finished the season on an amazing Pens team obviously.

I dont see the argument offensively for being better at all, let alone "far superior". We can go down the Makar/MacKinnon is carrying him argument as well as hm being on par with Kovalchuk compared to being carried by him. Defensively, we can go down 200ft game, which isnt as quantifiable.

Update: So the 44th in scoring would be compared to this season for Rantanen. 11th in 05-06 and 7th in 06-07 for Hossa compared to 8th in each of Rantanen's seasons . So i guess, if were comparing apples to oranges, Rantanen falls off hard this year compared to the last two seasons and at the deadline, the Avs move him like the Thrashers did Hossa.