Well you seem to take issue with any post a Canes fan makes about Necas that isn't solely focused on how he's a points scoring robot sent back from the future re-create the game of hockey or something. It comes off as incredibly defensive and trigger happy when none of us are even putting Necas down. We are just talking about his game as a whole.
Avalanche are playing crappy hockey now. Same with or without Rantanen.
Please read my posts again and tell me where I was taking issue with any post other than that specific one? And I didn't even attack him, I just laughed at it LOL. Again, please, go read what I wrote again and then decide if this response was reasonable.
Meaningless. Carolina is the best team in the league basically or top3. Colorado isn't close to that.Necas has also been on ice for 5 against. So minus player so far for Colorado...
OK sure. It is only 3 games after all. I think the point that Canes fans were making is that while you can likely expect Necas to put up a lot of points and help drive offense there are inconsistencies in his game that may lead to unevenness in overall production when looking beyond just goals and assists.
they need nuke back or to clone lehkonen. i caught a few games since the trade are they are just cycling the perimeter. all fancy shit not enough shots. no one getting to the front of the net.
Ya I did and I stand by my follow ups. I'm not emotional but I appreciate your concern.
Ok that's fine - I'm gonna assume you were just playing dumb then and you know exactly how flawed of a stat +/- is, especially on an individual player basis over the span of 3 games.
I believe I gave pretty good context for Necas and the stat over much more than 3 games. If that's what your take away was from my posts then you either didn't read much of it of are willfully ignoring significant portions of data and the larger situation over his 6 years with the Hurricanes.
So never then? Seriously though, the comment suggested Necas already outscored him "and" Rantanen had a lot of empty net points, wasn't distinguishing points against goalie vs. not. I've honestly not watched enough of Carolina or Colorado to have a great opinion on either, but Rantanen has certainly outscored Necas over the years by a very healthy margin.
It's, to some extent, meant to be a joke I think. Nobody is suggesting Necas has ever been a better producer. But I do think it's an interesting little tidbit, and it's not 100% insignificant information. Take it at whatever value you want.
Look buddy, I never suggested Necas was anything other than bad defensively, nor did I disagree with ANY of what you said regarding that part of his game historically, nor do I take offense to such a suggestion (it's true).
Do you watch Rantanen? Obviously not the same point producer as Jagr in his prime, but protecting the puck, sniping, and playmaking. Its all there.
I guess if you squint he's comparable to an older Jagr. He's not nearly as dynamic of a player or powerful of a skater as prime Jagr. Jagr was also an amazing dangler and player off the rush.First game i watched Necas closely and hes fast skating around seemingly at random, but a lot of risky passes resulting in turnovers and then a lot of fumbles. But then he gets 2 points so good I guess
I miss Mikko
Do you watch Rantanen? Obviously not the same point producer as Jagr in his prime, but protecting the puck, sniping, and playmaking. Its all there.
What 'set me off' is that you were insistent that a certain Canes poster and then myself were shitting on Necas, when we weren't. I don't know what humour you're talking about in your posts but the only thing that was detected was butt-hurt defensiveness
Is this something that you need explained to you? Or can we just move on with our f***ing lives? lmao
I agree with everything you're saying but +/- when given the proper context isn't a useless stat. It tells you how often someone is scoring vs getting scored on 5 on 5. As much as people wanted to use expected goals and offensive zone starts and all that other stuff... sure those are important as well but at the end of the day your stats are your stats and you are what you are. Over a few months or even a season maybe there is some variation in usage or puck luck luck or bad goaltending or weird deployment but overall a large sample size you're going to see patterns.
