Value of: Rantanen @ 50% retention

[spockBokk]

I’m bored and am actually somewhat surprised there’s not a thread already about this will all the speculation that CAR may flip Rantanen if he won’t sign by 3/7,so…

As a Canes fan, I still don’t think they’ll flip him, but I also doubt they get him extended by 3/7, so just wondering what other teams’ fans would potentially offer up for him.

What is Rantanen worth to other teams, strictly as a rental at a $2.3M cap hit (50% retention on his already retained cap hit of approximately $4.6M)?

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[ViD]

So you’re telling me you traded Necas for a few games of Rantanen ?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It would be worth a lot more if you let the other team talk to him and his agent.

 

[BonMorrison]

Canes going all in and then being like "oh wait nvm" is hilariously terrible asset management.

Can someone remind me of times this has happened in the past?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I am not sure that they can retain another 50%, can they? (Genuinely asking, I am not sure)

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Canes going all in and then being like "oh wait nvm" is hilariously terrible asset management.

Can someone remind me of times this has happened in the past?

I mean, it would indicate that they intended to sign him rather than rent him, but couldn't.

But still, pretty embarrassing.

I am not sure that they can retain another 50%, can they? (Genuinely asking, I am not sure)

You can retain up to 75%, with one team retaining 50% and the other retaining 50% of what's left.

As far as I know, only Chicago has retained, so they should be able to.

 

[qc14]

Guentzel is probably the closest comp, Rantanen is IMO a better player so you're probably looking at a guaranteed 1st round pick, three 2nds or equivalent prospects, and a roster player that might be good but also might not. Maybe one of those seconds or equivalent goes up to a first?

From the Caps (not that I'm suggesting either team do this, just because they're a contender and I know their pool):
25 1st (no restrictions), conditional 26 1st (26 2nd unless Caps make cup final in either 25 or 26), Hendrix Lapierre, Vincent Iorio, Leon Muggli, Andrew Mangiapane

To Washington:
Rantanen (doesn't even need to be retained), Carolina's best AHL vet to throw Hershey a bone

 

[spockBokk]

So you’re telling me you traded Necas for a few games of Rantanen ?

I’ll never get this “you” or “we” terminology when it comes to sports teams. No, “I” didn’t do anything, “they” did. Would “I” have traded Necas for a rental without an extension on the way, nope, but “they” must have thought an extension was/is possible. None of this is really the point of the thread.

The point is to discuss then”insidurr” reports that the Canes might end up flipping him.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I’ll never get this “you” or “we” terminology when it comes to sports teams. No, “I” didn’t do anything, “they” did. Would “I” have traded Necas for a rental without an extension on the way, nope, but “they” must have thought an extension was/is possible. None of this is really the point of the thread.

The point is to discuss then”insidurr” reports that the Canes might end up flipping him.

I never get why people get a bug up their butt about a sports fan saying "We" or "Our" when referring to their team.

 

[ottawagm]

Canes going all in and then being like "oh wait nvm" is hilariously terrible asset management.

Can someone remind me of times this has happened in the past?

Matt Duchene with Ottawa

 

[spockBokk]

Guentzel is probably the closest comp, Rantanen is IMO a better player so you're probably looking at a guaranteed 1st round pick, three 2nds or equivalent prospects, and a roster player that might be good but also might not. Maybe one of those seconds or equivalent goes up to a first?

From the Caps (not that I'm suggesting either team do this, just because they're a contender and I know their pool):
25 1st (no restrictions), conditional 26 1st (26 2nd unless Caps make cup final in either 25 or 26), Hendrix Lapierre, Vincent Iorio, Leon Muggli, Andrew Mangiapane

To Washington:
Rantanen (doesn't even need to be retained), Carolina's best AHL vet to throw Hershey a bone

Figured a 1st would be a prerequisite, especially in a supposedly “down” draft year. My best guess would be 1st + decent prospect, and maybe middling top 9 F for filler and I would think he prob does bring in a bit more than Guentzel did.

Not sure the Canes would deal him within the division, so if they did, I imagine it’d be quite costly.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Matt Duchene with Ottawa

Just Duchene?

 

[ottawagm]

Just Duchene?

Well we went to get him to 'win', then decided to blow up the team instead and lost the #4 pick as a result.

 

[LTIR]

Forget Rantanen, what do you want for Taylor Hall with retention

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Well we went to get him to 'win', then decided to blow up the team instead and lost the #4 pick as a result.

I was thinking Debrincat and Chychrun as well lol.

Though I guess those weren't really as extreme as Duchene.

 

[BonMorrison]

Matt Duchene with Ottawa

I mean same season. Duchene finished the season in Ottawa and then played another half season the next year.

 

[trick9]

Vegas...

W.Karlsson for Rantanen.

 

[Gliff]

It would be worth a lot more if you let the other team talk to him and his agent.

I don't know, it worked out okay for Colorado

 

[elmaco]

So you’re telling me you traded Necas for a few games of Rantanen ?

He propably soured on him during 4 Nations, talk about a hot take.

 

[Bobby9]

Oilers should be all over this

 

[StewieP19]

It seem Rantanen probably want to test the market and don't forget a possible return to Colorado this summer. Rantanen doesn't show same stats since the trade and Necas continue to produce.

 

[dirtydanglez]

So you’re telling me you traded Necas for a few games of Rantanen ?

it happens. i think the canes get it done if they are willing to go near the $100m contract that was rumored to be available.

 

[Roof Daddy]

From the Oilers:

Jeff Skinner (cap purposes), 2025 STL 2nd (pick in the 40-45 range), 2026 1st, Matt Savoie

Hopefully that would do it. Skinner would have to waive, so that complicates things, but maybe he agrees to a nostalgic destination?

 

[TageGod]

Does he want a contract more than he wants to win this year? Got some money burning a hole in the Sabres roster....

 

[dirtydanglez]

I am not sure that they can retain another 50%, can they? (Genuinely asking, I am not sure)

i think so. as far as i remember you an retain on a contract twice. max of 50% retention each time. so for rantanen two 50% rentions looks like $9.25m to $4.625m to $2.313m