Rank these 4 players at their peak that you'd want in a 7 game playoff series
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Looks like a few people are taking him over Datsyuk
I concur with this list. I'm torn between Kariya and Datsyuk but ultimately I'm taking paul kariya at his peak.
kanucks25
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Weird list of players considering two are wingers and two are centers and the two wingers played a different style.
Most would almost always default to a #1 center over a #1 winger so it's Datsyuk and Bergeron at the top. I would personally take a peak Datsyuk over a peak Bergeron.
As for Kariya vs Hossa, I didn't really see Kariya in his prime and Hossa is one of my all-time favorites so it's an unfair matchup personally.
Most would almost always default to a #1 center over a #1 winger so it's Datsyuk and Bergeron at the top. I would personally take a peak Datsyuk over a peak Bergeron.
As for Kariya vs Hossa, I didn't really see Kariya in his prime and Hossa is one of my all-time favorites so it's an unfair matchup personally.
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I would argue the following:
Looking at career playoff performance is not relevant, considering that this is about PEAK, so 1-3 years.
Zetterberg outclassed him in 2009, sure, but offensively Bergerons best playoff series always saw him getting outclassed offensively by 1-3 other players on his own team as well (Krejci, Marchand, Pasta etc).
In my opinion, at Datsyuk's peak, he was 90% of Bergerons defensive skill (winning Selke's too), and 130%+ of Bergerons offensive prowess. He was another tier of player than Bergeron was at his peak.
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Datsyuk easily for me. He had it all, defense, offense, physicality. Thought he was a bit overhyped at some point, but seeing him years back on a daily basis at his absolute peak one could argue that he was on par with Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin. He was that good. Other options are one step behind imo.
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i think kariya’s prime is getting massively underrated. if im getting 21-22 year old paul kariya im takin him first
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You’re looking at it wrong. He was first and foremost a defensive forward, and one of the best of all time at it. The offense was just a bonus.
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I feel like there's two major facets here being blended together.
1. The real peak of the player in playoffs (can ignore regular season).
2. The variation/consistency of the peaks of the player in the playoffs due to situation/injuries (again ignore regular season).
My list using 1 heavier than 2 is different than 2 heavier than 1. IMO some of the rankings already posted might change once certain posters realize they included regular season (player's overall) into their considerations.
IIRC/IMO Datsyuk and Bergeron were more consistent playoff performers but I don't recall them basically willing the win on their own. Hossa and Kariya had the higher peaks and drops (variations) and more instances where they'd take over the game and basically willing the win themself. Coincidentally the consistency also is parallel with centre vs wing.
If I don't trust my team, I'd add a Datsyuk/Bergeron heart to stabilize it depending if I need a consistent offense or defense catalyst more. If I trust my team but worry the opposition has a playbook to shut us down, I add a Kariya/Hossa one man army extra element to it to be able to mix things up depending if I need LW or RW.
1. The real peak of the player in playoffs (can ignore regular season).
2. The variation/consistency of the peaks of the player in the playoffs due to situation/injuries (again ignore regular season).
My list using 1 heavier than 2 is different than 2 heavier than 1. IMO some of the rankings already posted might change once certain posters realize they included regular season (player's overall) into their considerations.
IIRC/IMO Datsyuk and Bergeron were more consistent playoff performers but I don't recall them basically willing the win on their own. Hossa and Kariya had the higher peaks and drops (variations) and more instances where they'd take over the game and basically willing the win themself. Coincidentally the consistency also is parallel with centre vs wing.
If I don't trust my team, I'd add a Datsyuk/Bergeron heart to stabilize it depending if I need a consistent offense or defense catalyst more. If I trust my team but worry the opposition has a playbook to shut us down, I add a Kariya/Hossa one man army extra element to it to be able to mix things up depending if I need LW or RW.
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Bergeron has had the most clutch moments out of all of them that I can remember. Game 7 vs Toronto in 2013. The Cup winner in 2011.
All of them, I'd say, were somewhat underwhelming in the playoffs compared to the regular season, Datsyuk especially.
Bergeron
Hossa
Datsyuk
Kariya
All of them, I'd say, were somewhat underwhelming in the playoffs compared to the regular season, Datsyuk especially.
Bergeron
Hossa
Datsyuk
Kariya
ricky0034
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probably 2011 where he felt unstoppable on both ends of the ice and had 15 points in 11 games where nobody else on the team had more than 8
Fatass
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So putting Kariya at the bottom (which he is imo, and by a lot) means that poster is likely young?
Any list with Kariya at the bottom of this group is accurate.
Yes, this Datsyuk was a beast. Truly was the definition of two-way dominance. Might have been the best I’ve ever seen him play.
Not necessarily. As was mentioned earlier in the thread he did have 7 goals and 13 points in 11 games at his peak including 4 points in 4 games against the 1997 Red Wings while his team was swept.
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Datsyuk was his eras Keon. A true great. Kariya was a nice player but not at that level. Not even close tbh.
Well I’m advocating for placing him above the bottom rung here, not placing him on par with Datsyuk who I agree was just the better player.
Yes, younger or just ignorant. Kariya before the career-altering concussions was compared to Gretzky. His peak would have been insane compared to the other three. He was an amazing shooter and passer with unbelievable hockey IQ, as well as great under pressure. He was unlucky to play for shit teams. When he finally joined better teams, he was not even half the player he originally was.
I'm just going to laugh at you saying he would be at the bottom by a lot, when you got a guy like Hossa on that list.
1A. Bergeron
1B. Datsyuk
3. Kyria
4. Hossa
Both Bergeron and Datsyuk are Cs and are excellent defensively, the other 2 are not. Bergeron is slightly bigger and stronger than Datsyuk and a bit more well rounded, also has better FO %.
1B. Datsyuk
3. Kyria
4. Hossa
Both Bergeron and Datsyuk are Cs and are excellent defensively, the other 2 are not. Bergeron is slightly bigger and stronger than Datsyuk and a bit more well rounded, also has better FO %.
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The Oilers lost game 7 last year. If I could have added any single player to that roster to get the a win, I'd have chosen peak Kariya. It was a defensive game and I think he'd have given them the best chance at scoring more than 1 goal. He could create offense better than any of the other three IMO.
If it's the Leafs in the Matthews era, I don't think adding a 180lb winger is really the best choice, so I'm definitely not going Kariya there. I can see a solid argument for any of the other three.
Hossa is probably going to be the least common answer because a team would only prefer him over Datsyuk if they already have 2 really strong centers.
If it's the Leafs in the Matthews era, I don't think adding a 180lb winger is really the best choice, so I'm definitely not going Kariya there. I can see a solid argument for any of the other three.
Hossa is probably going to be the least common answer because a team would only prefer him over Datsyuk if they already have 2 really strong centers.
I honestly don't remember that run - but for the sake of this thread, I'll take you at your word around how good Datsyuk was in the 2011 playoffs. Let's assume he was as good as you say he was.
The problem is - that's one playoff run (barely 2 rounds, and 11 games) in a very long playoff career of mostly disappointments.
He made the playoffs 14 times - and that's one of 2x total that he hit ppg or above in playoffs.
Joe Thornton - perrenial playoff choker who gets mocked all the time for playoffs:
3 runs of ppg or above
Auston Matthews - 3x ppg or above in 8 playoff runs
Marner - 3x ppg or above in 8 playoff runs
Datsyuk's offensive resume in the playoffs for his career are really, really weak.
And before you talk about era or defensive contributions - Zetterberg, who played his whole career on same team/era as Datsyuk and is at least comparable defensively:
6 out of 13 playoff runs he was at ppg or above.
Datsyuk is simply not a strong playoff performer, especially when it comes to offense.
