If he was 21, sure, but he’s 25 before the season is out. If he’s a prospect he needs to dominate *now*.
Rank Canucks' prospects
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If he was 21, sure, but he’s 25 before the season is out. If he’s a prospect he needs to dominate *now*.
Blue and Green
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Weird start for Tolopilo:
Games 1-3: Strong
Game 4: Mediocre
Game 5: Very Bad (worst that I've ever seen him play)
Game 6: Bad
Game 7: Mediocre
He came out of the gate well, and then suddenly a four-game stretch that was clearly worse than any four-game stretch from all of last season. I have no idea what happened.
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Bourne Endeavor
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Not really.
The only pick of real consequence is our 1st. The rest are a collection of darts on a blackboard. Outside the first round, very few picks ever produce impact players, especially 3rd round and below. Of course, it happens. Practically every team has a diamond in the rough, so to speak. But you can't be afraid to make moves based on hope and pray you'll find said diamond.
Another factor to is we had no way of knowing Demko would go down after one game and we'd lose Boeser for game 7. That pretty heavily impacted what could have likely been a longer playoff run.
ChilliBilly
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I see it the opposite way. You only find diamonds in the rough if you have enough "rough" to look for them in. In other words, you need to have a decent collection of picks to have some pan out. Our 1st round picks have been a real mish-mash since Gillis. Wins - Horvat, Hughes, Pettersson, Boesser. Bad - Virtanen, Juolevi. Meh - Podkolzin (pretty disappointing). Looking promising - Willander and Lekkerimaki. 2020 draft - garnered JTM. 2021 draft- perhaps Jimbo's biggest blunder - a 1st 2nd and 3rd to acquire a player that will be costing us for another 3 years just to dump some contracts that would be expiring in a year.
Anyhow, we were contender for the first time in a decade last year. Not enough track history to justify going all in, IMHO.
Giving Allvin the benefit of the doubt, they traded just about every pick they had from rounds 1-4 in the 2024 entry draft.
That tells me they might not have been too enamored with the entire draft, once you got past the top-10 players or so. And the players they did pick like Fernstrom, Romani and Pattersson might have been 'flyers; who fell because they had inconsistent seasons or were in their second year of draft eligibility.
So upon reflection, I suppose that in some years, sacrificing picks at the TDL can be justified based on the strength and depth of the entry draft. For the Canucks sake, I hope 2024 was one of those drafts.
That tells me they might not have been too enamored with the entire draft, once you got past the top-10 players or so. And the players they did pick like Fernstrom, Romani and Pattersson might have been 'flyers; who fell because they had inconsistent seasons or were in their second year of draft eligibility.
So upon reflection, I suppose that in some years, sacrificing picks at the TDL can be justified based on the strength and depth of the entry draft. For the Canucks sake, I hope 2024 was one of those drafts.
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Canucks Army is going to rank their top 20 prospects over the next couple of weeks so I'll update mine from November and see how it compares. Their criteria are slightly more restrictive: 24 or under instead of 25 or under, and 25-game limit vs 50 (goalies 30) in mine. Karlsson (who I forgot to include in my first list), Raty, Sasson and Silovs are ineligible for their rankings.
(Parentheses) indicates my November ranking if there's been a change.
1. Willander
2. Lekkerimaki
3. Pettersson (4)
4. Mynio (3)
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5. Kudryavtsev (6)
6. Raty (5)
-------------------- Outside of maybe Mancini, it really drops off here
7. Mancini (NR)
8. Mueller (18)
9. Silovs (8)
10. Sasson (16)
11. Bains (9)
12. Young
13. Klimovich (10)
14. Alriksson (11)
15. Pattersson (13)
16. McWard (15)
17. Karlsson (NR)
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18 Tolopilo (19)
19 Woo (NR)
20 Koskenvuo (17)
(Parentheses) indicates my November ranking if there's been a change.
1. Willander
2. Lekkerimaki
3. Pettersson (4)
4. Mynio (3)
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5. Kudryavtsev (6)
6. Raty (5)
-------------------- Outside of maybe Mancini, it really drops off here
7. Mancini (NR)
8. Mueller (18)
9. Silovs (8)
10. Sasson (16)
11. Bains (9)
12. Young
13. Klimovich (10)
14. Alriksson (11)
15. Pattersson (13)
16. McWard (15)
17. Karlsson (NR)
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18 Tolopilo (19)
19 Woo (NR)
20 Koskenvuo (17)
1. Tom Willander
2. Jonathan Lekkerimaki
3. Elias Pettersson
4. Sawyer Mynio
5. Kirill Kudryatsev
6. Arturs Silovs
7. Aatu Raty
8. Victor Mancini
9. Ty Mueller
10. Ty Young
11. Vilmer Alriksson
12. Max Sasson
13. Riley Patterson
14. Danila Klimovich
15. Parker Alcos
2. Jonathan Lekkerimaki
3. Elias Pettersson
4. Sawyer Mynio
5. Kirill Kudryatsev
6. Arturs Silovs
7. Aatu Raty
8. Victor Mancini
9. Ty Mueller
10. Ty Young
11. Vilmer Alriksson
12. Max Sasson
13. Riley Patterson
14. Danila Klimovich
15. Parker Alcos
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That drop-off really is steep.
I'm hoping that we see Mancini in each of the five games Abby plays over the Four Nations break—it'll give us something to go by. Maybe he rises to 4th, maybe he drops ... out of sight.
This might be controversial, but I'd rank Junior Petey above Lekkerimaki right now.
He looks like a legit NHL defenseman at age 20 (soon to be 21) albeit with very limited ice time. I'd be very surprised if he's not in the lineup to start next season.
EP2 has serious top 4 potential, and even if he doesn't reach it he can still make it as a well-rounded bottom pairing guy.
I can't say the same regarding Lekkerimaki. I've had questions about him transitioning his game to the NHL level, and his two short stints in the show didn't leave me feeling any more confident in him doing so.
He seems like a top 6 or bust kind of forward prospect, and I don't know if he'll get that kind of opportunity with this team/coaching staff. Lekk really needs to step his game up in these next 7 months if he doesn't get traded.
He looks like a legit NHL defenseman at age 20 (soon to be 21) albeit with very limited ice time. I'd be very surprised if he's not in the lineup to start next season.
EP2 has serious top 4 potential, and even if he doesn't reach it he can still make it as a well-rounded bottom pairing guy.
I can't say the same regarding Lekkerimaki. I've had questions about him transitioning his game to the NHL level, and his two short stints in the show didn't leave me feeling any more confident in him doing so.
He seems like a top 6 or bust kind of forward prospect, and I don't know if he'll get that kind of opportunity with this team/coaching staff. Lekk really needs to step his game up in these next 7 months if he doesn't get traded.
Willander, D-Petey, and Lekkerimaki are top 30 prospects in the game, with 2 of them being in the top 15.
For a team that hasn’t really had a ton of draft pIcks and has traded 1st rounders, that’s prettt damn f***ing good. And 3 real good B prospects (Raty, Kudryavtsev, Mynio).
For a team that hasn’t really had a ton of draft pIcks and has traded 1st rounders, that’s prettt damn f***ing good. And 3 real good B prospects (Raty, Kudryavtsev, Mynio).
Josepho
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1) EP2 -- Willander has had a pretty pedestrian year relative to expectations, and EP2 has an interesting combination of frame, mobility, puck skills, and a mean streak.
2) Willander
3) Lekkerimaki
absolutely enormous gap
4) Mancini -- Seems like there's more upside than any of the guys below him, but idk how likely he is to hit it.
5) Mynio
6) Raty
7) Kudryavtsev
another gap
8) Mueller
9) Sasson
anyone beyond here is a serious longshot and idk who to put at 10, maybe bains.
2) Willander
3) Lekkerimaki
absolutely enormous gap
4) Mancini -- Seems like there's more upside than any of the guys below him, but idk how likely he is to hit it.
5) Mynio
6) Raty
7) Kudryavtsev
another gap
8) Mueller
9) Sasson
anyone beyond here is a serious longshot and idk who to put at 10, maybe bains.
This is a really good list from my perspective. The only minor comment I have is that I would have Romani at 11. I think he has a decent anoint pod potential but needs some time to get back up to speed after his injury.
This is a classic higher potential /ceiling player vs. lower potential / ceiling player with the former being more likely to bust. With that said, I think EPII recent stint proved he has a higher potential than many thought and is also even less likely to bust, so I can see someone picking him over Lekkerimaki.
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1. elias nils pettersson
i had a lot of doubts about this player but his compete is a real difference maker. i dunno he has the physical attributes to be a real top four defender but his size and his tenacity will probably mean he always has a place in an nhl lineup. his puck movement has been better than advertised to and if he can keep developing that part of his game he could be a very good player. has less upside than some of the players below him on this list but more certainty
2. jonathan lekkerimaki
great shot but lacking in all other aspects of his game. i think his shot is good enough he could be at the very least a power play weapon who takes sheltered shifts at 5v5 but you'd hope he figures out a way to make time and space for himself and earns a place as a top six winger
3. tom willander
love his skating but really dislike his lack of intensity and his predilection to lay back from the play and rely on his stick and his positioning rather than forcing plays. he can look decent in transition and make a nice pass or take a quality shot at times but he often looks like a passenger when his team has possession standing back and watching the play rather than finding ways to get involved. i think his coaching has been bad at bu so there's some hope that he'll look a lot better once he turns pro. he certainly has the makeup for it
4. kiril kudryavtsev
his size might sink his hopes but he has every other attribute needed to be a good nhl defender. on the plus side he does play bigger than his 5'11 would indicate and i think if he's given a real shot by a team could carve out a nice career
5. sawyer mynio
intriguing package of skills with decent size and skating. has shown flashes of being a real prospect at times. i'd rank him higher but he needs to show he can play against good competition first
6. ty mueller
never gonna be a top of the lineup guy because of his physical limitations but his attention to detail, his compete and his work ethic mean i think he'll find a place as a very good 4th liner or a decent 3rd liner eventually
7-12. max sasson, aatu raty, arshdeep bains, cole mcward, linus karlsson
all these guys might play nhl games but i don't think any of them will ever rise above nhl depth. they've all had a shot and they're all pretty much finished products
there's some other guys who should probably be ranked (romani, patterson, mancini) but i don't have any kind of handle on what they are yet
i don't rank goalies. no slight to any of them i just have no idea how to predict which goalies will make it and which won't
i had a lot of doubts about this player but his compete is a real difference maker. i dunno he has the physical attributes to be a real top four defender but his size and his tenacity will probably mean he always has a place in an nhl lineup. his puck movement has been better than advertised to and if he can keep developing that part of his game he could be a very good player. has less upside than some of the players below him on this list but more certainty
2. jonathan lekkerimaki
great shot but lacking in all other aspects of his game. i think his shot is good enough he could be at the very least a power play weapon who takes sheltered shifts at 5v5 but you'd hope he figures out a way to make time and space for himself and earns a place as a top six winger
3. tom willander
love his skating but really dislike his lack of intensity and his predilection to lay back from the play and rely on his stick and his positioning rather than forcing plays. he can look decent in transition and make a nice pass or take a quality shot at times but he often looks like a passenger when his team has possession standing back and watching the play rather than finding ways to get involved. i think his coaching has been bad at bu so there's some hope that he'll look a lot better once he turns pro. he certainly has the makeup for it
4. kiril kudryavtsev
his size might sink his hopes but he has every other attribute needed to be a good nhl defender. on the plus side he does play bigger than his 5'11 would indicate and i think if he's given a real shot by a team could carve out a nice career
5. sawyer mynio
intriguing package of skills with decent size and skating. has shown flashes of being a real prospect at times. i'd rank him higher but he needs to show he can play against good competition first
6. ty mueller
never gonna be a top of the lineup guy because of his physical limitations but his attention to detail, his compete and his work ethic mean i think he'll find a place as a very good 4th liner or a decent 3rd liner eventually
7-12. max sasson, aatu raty, arshdeep bains, cole mcward, linus karlsson
all these guys might play nhl games but i don't think any of them will ever rise above nhl depth. they've all had a shot and they're all pretty much finished products
there's some other guys who should probably be ranked (romani, patterson, mancini) but i don't have any kind of handle on what they are yet
i don't rank goalies. no slight to any of them i just have no idea how to predict which goalies will make it and which won't
